// Race would dissolve if affirmative action came to an end? //

Do you remember the civil rights movement ? All appeals in it were made based upon individuality, look at the ‘enlightenment’ & the role of individuality etc. Yes all group identities are divisive & by acknowledging the groups the govt.’s play the divide & rule to keep the middle & poor classes pitted against each other while politicians & industrialists support each other.

https://giftoffreedom.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/individualism-vs-collectivism/

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/10/martin-luther-is-the-patron-saint-of-individualism/

http://www.collegiatetimes.com/opinion/letter-individualism-is-racism-s-arch-enemy/article_d2b4db9a-f478-56cf-83e4-b23886ead601.html

Without Individualism there would have been no advancement of law & Justice, no end of slavery etc.

See this –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ

All collectivist identities are a way to reduce the individual tendencies so that elites can keep pitting these ‘groups’ against each other & keep their hold over most of the resources of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWSxzjyMNpU

And elites know that they can keep doing this because the rest of population can only do few things –
1) Revolts or Revolutions which destroy the current system completely & create a temporary equality in terms of resource distribution.
2) Or negotiate on table {which is already controlled by elites in the form of knowledge creation, narratives etc.}

Check this book –
The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century (Princeton Economic History of the Western World)

Race would dissolve if affirmative action came to an end?

They can dissolve easily if govt. simply stops recognizing them. That’s the whole point of the video “Civility of Indifference”, if rulers at that time enshrined individuality in constitution the fight over identities would have been less sharp & might have allowed the time for progressive changes to happen.

https://countercurrents.org/2016/06/18/re-reading-dr-br-ambedkars-earliest-paper-on-caste-100-years-later/

Note the emphasis on rulers for application of caste rules.

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The modern research though paints a complex picture of how things actually worked on the ground in Indian subcontinent during ancient period –

The Spirit of Hindu Law
Studies in Hindu Law and Dharmasastra
Hinduism and Law: An Introduction

Text did not matter as much {since they rarely were applied as they were written} in the law as the local culture did.

// “lot of indian american SJW types are somewhat saffronish when it comes to india. it causes issues.” //

I guess it’s because of the unfair ways they have had to endure because of Abrahamics. Take the case of the debate of “Freedom of religion” it is framed entirely from Abrahamic perspectives.

I was trying to respond to this but the post is below other posts which is creating confusion so i am reposting the response & i request for the earlier post to be deleted.

// Deep Bhatnagar says:
April 19, 2018 at 11:49 am
I guess it’s because of the unfair ways they have had to endure because of Abrahamics. Take the case of the debate of “Freedom of religion” it is framed entirely from Abrahamic perspectives. //

Yes caste won’t dissolve so simply

Nop if you actually look into it you will notice that democracy has actually increased caste division.

Let me mention a factor which people tend to forget about ‘Civility of indifference’ & there is a book by name but you should simply look at the youtube lecture that’s enough to understand which phenomenon is termed as ‘civility of indifference’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kgL6tlhre8

Now if you look at the type of discrimination, physical atrocities & so on you will find a constantly increasing trend of physical attack & assertion and the phenomenon like ‘Karni sena’ & ‘Bhim Army’ are just 2 examples of this phenomenon.

For better understanding of this phenomenon you need to read –
http://www.india-seminar.com/2012/633/633_balmurli_natrajan.htm

The Culturalization of Caste in India: Identity and Inequality in a Multicultural Age (Routledge Contemporary South Asia)

The Persistence of Caste: India’s Hidden Apartheid and the Khairlanji Murders

Last but not least always remember about the problem i.e. {Who is} Informer & {Who is} Informed.

// Jati is disappearing or will dissolve. //

I come from so called forward caste & No it will never go away caste because it is ‘ascribed status’ & a way to box individuals & certain amount of votes in the form of ‘vote banks’.

If you want to understand how this process started & how this debate moved forward look into the debate of “Backwardness”.

http://web.archive.org/web/20180416025848/http://www.epw.in/engage/article/how-has-idea-backwardness-taken-shape

So since an individual is boxed in an ‘enumeration category’ on the basis of birth it will never go away till govt. itself stops ascribing these caste identities based upon birth.

I guess it’s because of the unfair ways they have had to endure because of Abrahamics. Take the case of the debate of “Freedom of religion” it is framed entirely from Abrahamic perspectives.

Sure they can and it’s welcome.

Muslims can be magnanimous, no?