Have you found that Indian Muslims in specific regions have a breakdown in structure. Such as long homogeneous runs that are starting to be broken up, due to the rise of Islam? I’m assuming that it has not been long enough to show more homogeneity in their admixture, but if people from different caste converted to Islam and then afterward intermarried then I would expect a breakdown…

The reasons for this question are, 1) Were only certain castes driven to convert to Islam, such as lower castes? 2) If #1 is not true, then did people still maintain ancient caste based marriage traditions despite converting to Islam?

Albert Camus did not “settle” in Algeria. He was born in Algeria. There was an entire population known as the “pieds noirs” who sided with France in Algeria’s anti-colonial struggle. Most of them moved to France.

Ideally, yes. The muezzins should be given some training so that they are giving the azaaan on pitch.

However, given the rest of Pakistan’s issues, this is a very low priority. I think the fact that people are basically being forced to fast is much more worrying. You can eat inside your own home but if you go outside and try to buy something from a store, you’re not going to be able to.

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This way we can enjoy five beautiful symphonies a day. I dare say Kabirji agrees with me on this. 🙂

I think we agree and you misunderstood my point. The English have a de facto policy of not protecting their muslim British nationals from Islamist threats of violence. They protect muslimish people on English soil less than they protect nonmuslim people on English soil from Islamist threats. The referenced articles describe how.

This violates equal treatment under the law and is immoral.

AnAn, I don’t want to make any social discourse centered around Muslims. Each society has it’s national and cultural traditions, laws and more, which they have arrived at after centuries of trial and error. As long as the political elite make clear their values to immigrants Hindu, Muslim or any ethnicity , that should be fine. The multi-cultural policy pushed to the limits is not productive as there is a mismatch of expectations which leads to social tensions No part of society , immigrants included , should have to feel they are somehow being targeted . Many Muslims including traditional ones , are role models for immigrants and their success . Perhaps western liberal , left elite think that people of any background can be integrated, without undue pressure ,over few generations. Perhaps they are right, we will see.

I have responded to you. Please see the articles summarized here:
http://www.brownpundits.com/2018/05/07/why-do-nonmuslims-treat-atheist-muslims-so-badly/
In particular please see my last comment. What do you think about Mufassil Islam and Boba? Why have nonmuslim English people so mistreated Boba and Mufassil? I don’t fully agree with them on the Koran and prophet Mohammed pbuh; but they are not haters and not anti muslim. They are good, loving and honorable people; and deserve the full compassion, help and protection of nonmuslim English people.

This said, can I offer devil’s advocate? Some would say that former English imperial subjects and their heirs and descendants idolize France and French colonialism because they opposed the English. What would your response be?

From an Indian perspective, the French aided Tipu Sultan. Tipu Sultan engaged in terrible atrocities against moderate muslims (Shia), Hindus and Christians. A prominent French military advisor to Tipu Sultan wrote about this in disgust.

Tipu Sultan’s war’s of aggression and expansion against the Marathas and Nizam were similarly backed by France. These wars were morally dubious from a certain point of view.

Personally I love the French. Again this is devil’s advocate. 🙂

“c) The French integrated the mixed colonized into French society. The English did not do that. (correct me if I am wrong).”

True. French has more immigrant pop than Britain. Probably 8-10% of the pop is Arab. French have been far more successful in integrating – or Frenchifying if you prefer – it’s immigrants. Because from the time the Arab immigrants came , they knew what to expect , Lacite. Learn French. In contrast Britain, with it’s theocracy , was quite tolerant towards religious symbols and practices – obviously upto a point, in unstated British ways. The protests against Salman Rushdie in 1989 which was a symptom and starting point of present day religious fundamentalism could never have started in France. Even though south Asian Muslims were only about 2% of the population in 1989 , they went about publicly burning Rushdie’s books and thousands went on the streets demanding Rushdie’s death, even Repeal of Free Speech.

On a personal note, when I first went to France and trying to get a train in the Charles De Gaul airport, I obviously looked a one who has lost his way. One guy came forward and asked if I am Tamil. He said he was also tamil and his family had migrated from Vietnam in the 1950s . There was a Tamil trading community in French Indo-China also. They all packed up with the collapse of French rule.

One good thing was that French while leaving their colonies in a peaceful way , like Pondicherry , offered the local people French citizenship and some from Pondicherry did take the offer. You can see immigrants in France from Madagaskar or far flung flung places where the French had a footprint.

The French are so committed to Secularism that in Census reports, a person’s religion or race or mother-tongue or ethnicity is not asked for since they say it is not Government’s business to see what is the background of a person. That is why official statistics about immigrant pops are absent. It is always guesswork- perhaps it is about 12% if you add first generation immigrants and their families