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		By: Numinous		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16144</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Numinous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would think that guarantee of punishment and accuracy in identifying perpetrators of crime are much bigger deterrents than the degree of harshness. We should not be too lenient either, as the Western experience suggests. Westerners have forgotten their history but they used to mete out very draconian forms of punishments until not too long ago, and we all know about the frontier justice that pacified the American West.

I&#039;m personally against the death penalty because it is impossible to devise a system where innocents never get punished. (One innocent person getting executed is one too many in my book.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that guarantee of punishment and accuracy in identifying perpetrators of crime are much bigger deterrents than the degree of harshness. We should not be too lenient either, as the Western experience suggests. Westerners have forgotten their history but they used to mete out very draconian forms of punishments until not too long ago, and we all know about the frontier justice that pacified the American West.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally against the death penalty because it is impossible to devise a system where innocents never get punished. (One innocent person getting executed is one too many in my book.)</p>
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		By: Saurav		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16115</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saurav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 21:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098&quot;&gt;Arjun&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I thought the BJP govt can take up all these matters , but these seem to be dancing to the tunes of Ambanis.&quot;

Ambanis own Indian Government which they lease it to the BJP/Congress from time to time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098">Arjun</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I thought the BJP govt can take up all these matters , but these seem to be dancing to the tunes of Ambanis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ambanis own Indian Government which they lease it to the BJP/Congress from time to time.</p>
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		By: AnAn		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16105</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnAn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 20:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zack, I tried to bring up the issue of how to address crime in a less emotional way with this article:
http://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/04/is-american-culture-sharply-increasing-crime/
My intent was to start a conversation about crime, correlations between different variables and possible solutions. And eventually use these frameworks to discuss crime in India and Pakistan.

Very likely justice will prevail in this case as it generally does in all cases which are publicized by social media or the press. My concern is secret abuse which are hidden from social media and the press. Shouldn&#039;t our focus be on that?

I have my ideas on how to dramatically reduce crime in America, Canada, Europe, muslim world and India. But they might not be completely right. I would love feedback from everyone else.

Well let me throw out some random ideas for all of your feedback in this comment:
1) encourage love [Yeah this basically solves crime]
2) transform culture [How?]
3) it is unclear to me what role per capita real income plays in crime. Even the direction of correlation is unclear to me.
3a) it is unclear to me what role physical health plays in crime. Even the direction of correlation is unclear to me.
3b)  IQ appears to be strongly negatively correlated with crime. [High IQ people are rarely prosecuted for violent crime. Is this because they are intelligent and rarely get caught or because they don&#039;t commit crime?]
4) Improve mental health broadly defined (Chitta Shuddhi in Sanskrit), which to me is synonymous with character, authenticity, purity, clear headedness. What affect will this have?
5) Higher more judges, more attorneys, police . . . pay them a heck of a lot more
6) Train police in Yoga, Tai Chi, Qi Gong, martial arts, breathing, meditation [Which is expensive.]
7) Give judges and police a lot more flexibility in dealing with criminals and keeping crimes out of the public record

Enough for now. Zack, trying to keep this from being your longest comment of all time ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zack, I tried to bring up the issue of how to address crime in a less emotional way with this article:<br />
<a href="http://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/04/is-american-culture-sharply-increasing-crime/" rel="ugc">http://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/04/is-american-culture-sharply-increasing-crime/</a><br />
My intent was to start a conversation about crime, correlations between different variables and possible solutions. And eventually use these frameworks to discuss crime in India and Pakistan.</p>
<p>Very likely justice will prevail in this case as it generally does in all cases which are publicized by social media or the press. My concern is secret abuse which are hidden from social media and the press. Shouldn&#8217;t our focus be on that?</p>
<p>I have my ideas on how to dramatically reduce crime in America, Canada, Europe, muslim world and India. But they might not be completely right. I would love feedback from everyone else.</p>
<p>Well let me throw out some random ideas for all of your feedback in this comment:<br />
1) encourage love [Yeah this basically solves crime]<br />
2) transform culture [How?]<br />
3) it is unclear to me what role per capita real income plays in crime. Even the direction of correlation is unclear to me.<br />
3a) it is unclear to me what role physical health plays in crime. Even the direction of correlation is unclear to me.<br />
3b)  IQ appears to be strongly negatively correlated with crime. [High IQ people are rarely prosecuted for violent crime. Is this because they are intelligent and rarely get caught or because they don&#8217;t commit crime?]<br />
4) Improve mental health broadly defined (Chitta Shuddhi in Sanskrit), which to me is synonymous with character, authenticity, purity, clear headedness. What affect will this have?<br />
5) Higher more judges, more attorneys, police . . . pay them a heck of a lot more<br />
6) Train police in Yoga, Tai Chi, Qi Gong, martial arts, breathing, meditation [Which is expensive.]<br />
7) Give judges and police a lot more flexibility in dealing with criminals and keeping crimes out of the public record</p>
<p>Enough for now. Zack, trying to keep this from being your longest comment of all time 😉</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16103</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[X.T.M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16102&quot;&gt;VijayVan&lt;/a&gt;.

+1000 BJP dancing to the tune of the Ambanis]]></description>
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<p>+1000 BJP dancing to the tune of the Ambanis</p>
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		By: VijayVan		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VijayVan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098&quot;&gt;Arjun&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It isn’t that existing punishments aren’t deterrent enough and we need more brutal punishments &quot;

Probably not - and the way this are dragged out for years and years makes it worse. It is not whether the existing punishments are deterrent enough, it is the way you can keep on dragging it for decades by getting high power lawyers by  paying them money, street demonstrations, petitons to the President, making that a legal excuse, and so on and so forth. etc. Even if the present punishments are  quickly carried out giving no quarters to dilatory and dragging tactics that would be good. Any judicial process not done quickly enough makes out the state weak , vacillating, nervous and easy touch.

Apart from these high profile cases, there are thousands of cases languishing for years. That is an utter shame. I thought the BJP govt can take up all these matters , but these seem to be dancing to the tunes of Ambanis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098">Arjun</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It isn’t that existing punishments aren’t deterrent enough and we need more brutal punishments &#8221;</p>
<p>Probably not &#8211; and the way this are dragged out for years and years makes it worse. It is not whether the existing punishments are deterrent enough, it is the way you can keep on dragging it for decades by getting high power lawyers by  paying them money, street demonstrations, petitons to the President, making that a legal excuse, and so on and so forth. etc. Even if the present punishments are  quickly carried out giving no quarters to dilatory and dragging tactics that would be good. Any judicial process not done quickly enough makes out the state weak , vacillating, nervous and easy touch.</p>
<p>Apart from these high profile cases, there are thousands of cases languishing for years. That is an utter shame. I thought the BJP govt can take up all these matters , but these seem to be dancing to the tunes of Ambanis.</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[X.T.M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098&quot;&gt;Arjun&lt;/a&gt;.

Inshallah]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098">Arjun</a>.</p>
<p>Inshallah</p>
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		By: Arjun		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16098</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arjun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16070&quot;&gt;VijayVan&lt;/a&gt;.

It isn&#039;t that existing punishments aren&#039;t deterrent enough and we need more brutal punishments (how about breaking rapists on the wheel, or waterboarding them to death ? At what point does &quot;strong&quot; cross over into &quot;barbaric&quot; ?) 

The reason so many rapes occur in India is that the guilty have a high likelihood that NOTHING will happen to them. The infamous Nirbhaya case was perpetrated by criminals ON THE JOB with absolutely zero attempt made to cover their tracks. There were even other passengers on the bus when the assault began who were chased off. The guilty assumed that no investigation would be launched.

There have to be some consequences for the police in whose jurisdictions such crimes occur. Trust me, the roads will become safe within no time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16070">VijayVan</a>.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t that existing punishments aren&#8217;t deterrent enough and we need more brutal punishments (how about breaking rapists on the wheel, or waterboarding them to death ? At what point does &#8220;strong&#8221; cross over into &#8220;barbaric&#8221; ?) </p>
<p>The reason so many rapes occur in India is that the guilty have a high likelihood that NOTHING will happen to them. The infamous Nirbhaya case was perpetrated by criminals ON THE JOB with absolutely zero attempt made to cover their tracks. There were even other passengers on the bus when the assault began who were chased off. The guilty assumed that no investigation would be launched.</p>
<p>There have to be some consequences for the police in whose jurisdictions such crimes occur. Trust me, the roads will become safe within no time.</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[X.T.M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16090&quot;&gt;उद्ररुहैन्वीय&lt;/a&gt;.

Jesus Christ - who cares?

South Asia is a poor region that can’t afford ideology..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16090">उद्ररुहैन्वीय</a>.</p>
<p>Jesus Christ &#8211; who cares?</p>
<p>South Asia is a poor region that can’t afford ideology..</p>
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		By: उद्ररुहैन्वीय		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[उद्ररुहैन्वीय]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16047&quot;&gt;X.T.M&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If it prevents further instances of this rape it’s absolutely worth it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is textbook consequentialism and not morally tenable as an argument. Ends do not justify means. Besides that&#039;s a big &quot;if&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16047">X.T.M</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>If it prevents further instances of this rape it’s absolutely worth it.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is textbook consequentialism and not morally tenable as an argument. Ends do not justify means. Besides that&#8217;s a big &#8220;if&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Kabir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kabir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2018 15:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16046&quot;&gt;उद्ररुहैन्वीय&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with Slapstik (can&#039;t believe I&#039;m saying that).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/07/18/11year-old-girl-raped-in-chennai/#comment-16046">उद्ररुहैन्वीय</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with Slapstik (can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m saying that).</p>
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