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		By: Kabir		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23989</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kabir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 22:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23966&quot;&gt;Saurav&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, it&#039;s a bad thing. The Army is supposed to report to the political government and not the other way around.  Every time a Pakistani politician asserts civilian supremacy, they are unceremoniously removed from power.  Even IK&#039;s voters didn&#039;t intend to put an Army puppet in place. Those of us who didn&#039;t want him to get elected were pretty clear that he had no other ambition than to occupy the Prime Minister&#039;s office.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23966">Saurav</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s a bad thing. The Army is supposed to report to the political government and not the other way around.  Every time a Pakistani politician asserts civilian supremacy, they are unceremoniously removed from power.  Even IK&#8217;s voters didn&#8217;t intend to put an Army puppet in place. Those of us who didn&#8217;t want him to get elected were pretty clear that he had no other ambition than to occupy the Prime Minister&#8217;s office.</p>
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		By: Saurav		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saurav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23954&quot;&gt;X.T.M&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;He’s basically sold out to the Army&quot;

Is it really a bad thing? If nothing that at least the dejure and the defacto rulers  of the country becomes one, which is how other countries like when they deal with Pakistan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23954">X.T.M</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;He’s basically sold out to the Army&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it really a bad thing? If nothing that at least the dejure and the defacto rulers  of the country becomes one, which is how other countries like when they deal with Pakistan</p>
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		By: VijayVan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VijayVan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926&quot;&gt;Kabir&lt;/a&gt;.

Pakistan plays a much more deft diplomatic game

True. Pakistan has had an overriding compulsion as to how to manipulate external relations for the benefit of it&#039;s elite; in that game they have come on top so far; the welfare of the people has not been on their agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926">Kabir</a>.</p>
<p>Pakistan plays a much more deft diplomatic game</p>
<p>True. Pakistan has had an overriding compulsion as to how to manipulate external relations for the benefit of it&#8217;s elite; in that game they have come on top so far; the welfare of the people has not been on their agenda.</p>
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		By: VijayVan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[VijayVan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926&quot;&gt;Kabir&lt;/a&gt;.

Pakistan plays a much more deft diplomatic game

True. Pakistan has had an overriding compulsion as to how to manipulate external relations for the benefit of it&#039;s elite; in that game they have come on top so far; the welfare of the people has not been on their agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926">Kabir</a>.</p>
<p>Pakistan plays a much more deft diplomatic game</p>
<p>True. Pakistan has had an overriding compulsion as to how to manipulate external relations for the benefit of it&#8217;s elite; in that game they have come on top so far; the welfare of the people has not been on their agenda.</p>
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		By: Kabir		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23956</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kabir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 13:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23954&quot;&gt;X.T.M&lt;/a&gt;.

They are the ones who put him in power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23954">X.T.M</a>.</p>
<p>They are the ones who put him in power.</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[X.T.M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23953&quot;&gt;Kabir&lt;/a&gt;.

He’s basically sold out to the Army]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23953">Kabir</a>.</p>
<p>He’s basically sold out to the Army</p>
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		By: Kabir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kabir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The whole Atif Mian thing was a fiasco. Now there is the IMF bailout.  He promised to be the great saviour (and those that voted for him thought that he would be) but it is clear that he has very little clue what he is doing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole Atif Mian thing was a fiasco. Now there is the IMF bailout.  He promised to be the great saviour (and those that voted for him thought that he would be) but it is clear that he has very little clue what he is doing.</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[X.T.M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23948&quot;&gt;Kabir&lt;/a&gt;.

China is a very old friend; our oldest in fact. It’s only the US that has “departed” from Pakistan’s close circle of allies.

Pakistan plays a much more deft diplomatic game than India; brings to mind the story of the Hare &amp; the Hound..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23948">Kabir</a>.</p>
<p>China is a very old friend; our oldest in fact. It’s only the US that has “departed” from Pakistan’s close circle of allies.</p>
<p>Pakistan plays a much more deft diplomatic game than India; brings to mind the story of the Hare &#038; the Hound..</p>
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		By: Kabir		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kabir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926&quot;&gt;Kabir&lt;/a&gt;.

CPEC is only a small part of China&#039;s whole &quot;One Belt One Road&quot; scheme.  They wouldn&#039;t be doing it if they didn&#039;t see it in their economic and strategic interest.  

Pakistan&#039;s problem is that it is always looking for new benefactors. China is just the latest one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926">Kabir</a>.</p>
<p>CPEC is only a small part of China&#8217;s whole &#8220;One Belt One Road&#8221; scheme.  They wouldn&#8217;t be doing it if they didn&#8217;t see it in their economic and strategic interest.  </p>
<p>Pakistan&#8217;s problem is that it is always looking for new benefactors. China is just the latest one.</p>
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		By: Saurav		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Saurav]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926&quot;&gt;Kabir&lt;/a&gt;.

..But they still gave money right? Same with USA. 

On China i dont know what economic sense Gwadar really makes. Only thing is if some other countries join in. But Pakistan is surrounded by countries who are either unable (Iran,Afghanistan) or unwilling (India,Emirates Inc) to invest in CPEC.  The only value i feel is its strategic sense of having a port in the gulf for China. But even there as soon as its militarized rather than India, it will be USA which will cry havoc over it, considering they are the biggest power in the gulf sea lanes. 

I think CPEC has more to internally in Punjab and Sindh(Power projects, Agriculture, Infra etc) rather than  Gwadar. Chinese want money which they have been guaranteed from those power projects and Pakistan gets some Infrastructure in return.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/10/24/the-axis-is-autocracy-china-pakistans-evergreen-friends/#comment-23926">Kabir</a>.</p>
<p>..But they still gave money right? Same with USA. </p>
<p>On China i dont know what economic sense Gwadar really makes. Only thing is if some other countries join in. But Pakistan is surrounded by countries who are either unable (Iran,Afghanistan) or unwilling (India,Emirates Inc) to invest in CPEC.  The only value i feel is its strategic sense of having a port in the gulf for China. But even there as soon as its militarized rather than India, it will be USA which will cry havoc over it, considering they are the biggest power in the gulf sea lanes. </p>
<p>I think CPEC has more to internally in Punjab and Sindh(Power projects, Agriculture, Infra etc) rather than  Gwadar. Chinese want money which they have been guaranteed from those power projects and Pakistan gets some Infrastructure in return.</p>
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