Dont tell me to be fair, borat, i am alwayz fair (and lovely LOL)

I respect Zioni bros but borat u shd have chosen another country to make fun of. Kazakhstan is where my ex-in-laws r from. Anyway, if i were of the desrt cult u’d be a marked man now but I am of the Dhamma now. So I invite u to Dhamma bro borat. Middle Path awaits u.

What is sweeter than Sunny Leone?
Honey Zioni.

Snake Charmer do you support restoring complete freedom of speech in India, including by nullifying the 1st amendment to the Indian constitution (which restricts free speech . . . de facto to avoid offending Islam)?

I do.

Zach and Razib, can we run a poll on this at Brown Pundits?

demanding and requesting are normal. where muslims go further is defending the legal imprisonment of people (or temporizing about mob violence against those who blaspheme religion).

Very kind of you Aryaputra Jagguji 🙂

“It is possible to believe something and not be interested in imposing it on others.”
Total Eastern philosophy. We completely agree.

“Followers of most religions believe that they are following the correct path.”
Eastern philosophy is that all paths and all religions either are true or may be true (depending on the specific eastern strand). But even then, the path is true. But our understanding and implementation of the path might be incomplete.

Arjun wrote “There is no god but my god and my prophet is the final prophet”
We can interpret this the eastern way to mean whatever the heck we want it to mean. 🙂

“There is no god but my god” = Tao/Brahman/Nirvana/Satori/Shunya/truth/one million other synonyms. We agree. We be same same!!!!

“my prophet is the final prophet” We agree. We be same same!!!! We just call every other prophet a name other than “prophet.” Sufis do it, Irfan Sufi twelvers do it, twelvers do it, sixers do it, Ahmedis do it, Bahai do it, everybody can do it. 🙂
Very simple solution.

“Why it is important to insult Muhammad to defend freedom”

I 100% support free speech and the right of anyone to discuss and think about Mohammed pbuh and Islam any way they choose.

But Zach, you admire, love and respect Mohammed pbuh (as do I and most people of faith around the world). You don’t have to insult Mohammed pbuh to support free speech or make a point about free speech. We don’t have to insult someone who we don’t want to insult out of solidarity.

Most of the insults of the holy prophet pbuh on BP appear designed to trigger Kabir. How is that honorable?

Why do we HAVE to insult Mohammed pbuh? We can respectfully express how our perspectives differ from his. We can say whatever we want. We should speak the truth. But there is no edge to not speaking sweetly. [Although we have every right to not speak sweetly.]

Sathyam Bruyaath (speak the truth)
Priyam Bruyaath (speak sweetly)
Apriyam na Bruyaath (do not speak the truth in a way that is not sweet)

This said, no one should ever be punished for art, speech and thought.

Asia Bibi was found innocent. Her “alleged” crime was asking questions about Mohammed pbuh (Jesus sacrificed on the cross, what is Mohammed’s sacrifice? . . . why did Mohammed pbuh marry Khadija and Aisha?) Every woman has that right. Woman (or males) asking questions are not an insult against Mohammed pbuh.

Part of the confusion for nonmuslim Asians is that their own traditions harshly criticize saints, sages, prophets, avatars, divine beings, gods, God all the time. And no one cares. Its normal. As a result we don’t understand the muslim perspective.

The reason to back Asia Bibi is:
—to support moderate muslims against Islamists by supporting the freedom of art and thought of moderate muslims.
—supporting the principle of free art and thought
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“I think it’s because I love Islam that I abuse it.” 100% agreed bro.

“It’s interesting V uses the expression “to defy God when necessary.”” typically Eastern (Zoroastrian + Bon + Tao + Sanathana Dharma) thing to say and think. 200% agreed with Vidhi. [She is better than you bro 🙂 ]

“At first I thought it was blasphemous, since after all I am a believer, but I realise that our Abrahamic minds automatically submits to a deity.”
Are you referring to devotion, love or Bhakti? When someone insults someone we love we get sad maybe. But not angry and we certainly don’t want to hurt the person to insults the one we love.

“It may be so that as Man grows he must challenge his Creator. It’s not really groundbreaking theology since the OT is full of this..”

This is typically eastern thinking. 100% agreed. What is “OT”?

Demanding special respect for Muhammad IS imposing it on others.

after all I am a believer, but I realise that our Abrahamic minds automatically submits to a deity.

It is possible to believe something and not be interested in imposing it on others.

Followers of most religions believe that they are following the correct path.