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		By: Milan Todorovic		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Milan Todorovic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2019 09:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-29928&quot;&gt;X.T.M&lt;/a&gt;.

PS: A few Serbian toponyms in Iran, only those which contain this name. There are many others in the whole SA region.

https://www.google.com/search?q=serbia+oldest+civilization&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbs=rimg:CVe2dnq-7kxkIjibIfo_1vCd_1OX9gJp3x39ymL_12LKYr-nFQoaxuxVIuGVJGLyVx4szayvLHZ5at08_16uV74UrK9LzCoSCZsh-j-8J385EfavcilyMTnyKhIJf2AmnfHf3KYR9WCZ9p0wTdwqEgkv_1Yspiv6cVBGevUNu_1dtitioSCShrG7FUi4ZUEdqQVMY1okrFKhIJkYvJXHizNrIRLrespTrjli4qEgm8sdnlq3Tz_1hEGh3Y16NG4BCoSCa5XvhSsr0vMEbRFssuDTvgb&#038;tbo=u&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=2ahUKEwjM-tio4qvgAhVLXn0KHcu4DdoQ9C96BAgBEBg&#038;biw=1920&#038;bih=969&#038;dpr=1#imgrc=kYvJXHizNrIX1M:]]></description>
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<p>PS: A few Serbian toponyms in Iran, only those which contain this name. There are many others in the whole SA region.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=serbia+oldest+civilization&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbs=rimg:CVe2dnq-7kxkIjibIfo_1vCd_1OX9gJp3x39ymL_12LKYr-nFQoaxuxVIuGVJGLyVx4szayvLHZ5at08_16uV74UrK9LzCoSCZsh-j-8J385EfavcilyMTnyKhIJf2AmnfHf3KYR9WCZ9p0wTdwqEgkv_1Yspiv6cVBGevUNu_1dtitioSCShrG7FUi4ZUEdqQVMY1okrFKhIJkYvJXHizNrIRLrespTrjli4qEgm8sdnlq3Tz_1hEGh3Y16NG4BCoSCa5XvhSsr0vMEbRFssuDTvgb&#038;tbo=u&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=2ahUKEwjM-tio4qvgAhVLXn0KHcu4DdoQ9C96BAgBEBg&#038;biw=1920&#038;bih=969&#038;dpr=1#imgrc=kYvJXHizNrIX1M" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.google.com/search?q=serbia+oldest+civilization&#038;tbm=isch&#038;tbs=rimg:CVe2dnq-7kxkIjibIfo_1vCd_1OX9gJp3x39ymL_12LKYr-nFQoaxuxVIuGVJGLyVx4szayvLHZ5at08_16uV74UrK9LzCoSCZsh-j-8J385EfavcilyMTnyKhIJf2AmnfHf3KYR9WCZ9p0wTdwqEgkv_1Yspiv6cVBGevUNu_1dtitioSCShrG7FUi4ZUEdqQVMY1okrFKhIJkYvJXHizNrIRLrespTrjli4qEgm8sdnlq3Tz_1hEGh3Y16NG4BCoSCa5XvhSsr0vMEbRFssuDTvgb&#038;tbo=u&#038;sa=X&#038;ved=2ahUKEwjM-tio4qvgAhVLXn0KHcu4DdoQ9C96BAgBEBg&#038;biw=1920&#038;bih=969&#038;dpr=1#imgrc=kYvJXHizNrIX1M</a>:</p>
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		By: Milan Todorovic		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-30002</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2019 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-29928&quot;&gt;X.T.M&lt;/a&gt;.

From your wedding film I can see that you are taller than me (and you have a nicer smile, too) not mentioning that your accent is closer to queen&#039;s (and Meghan&#039;s) than mine.]]></description>
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<p>From your wedding film I can see that you are taller than me (and you have a nicer smile, too) not mentioning that your accent is closer to queen&#8217;s (and Meghan&#8217;s) than mine.</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 09:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-29922&quot;&gt;Snake Charmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Well Britain’s handling of the Brexit negotiations suggest more tact may have been helpful?]]></description>
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<p>Well Britain’s handling of the Brexit negotiations suggest more tact may have been helpful?</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 09:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-29927&quot;&gt;Milan Todorovic&lt;/a&gt;.

It’s unfortunate we didn’t inherit the Serbian height..]]></description>
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<p>It’s unfortunate we didn’t inherit the Serbian height..</p>
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		By: Milan Todorovic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 08:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-29926&quot;&gt;X.T.M&lt;/a&gt;.

In the Asian Media, there was mentioned the name of Serbian warrior rank – Geti. Zacharie Mayani(Les Hyksos et le monde de la Bible, Payot, Paris, 1956) says: &quot;Gatas - the Iranian people, which had a language close to Vedic that one who understood one of them was understanding the other &quot;. At Diodor is the information that Queen Semira logged on with the army on Mount Bagistan, which is modern Behistan. He says that the mountain was called because it was dedicated to the God (Bog - stan). There was also a city named Bagistan, southeast of Ekbatan. Although Ekbatan was the capital of the Media, the most beautiful city was Nisa, which was well known by its horses throughout the whole Asia.

The name of the town of Nisa was changed to Raga (the name for old horse in Serbian), then Seleuk I gives this city the name of Europo, according to his birthplace city with the same name near Vardar. This is now modern Tehran. The younger brother of the first king of Macedonia, Perdike I Karanovic, whose name was Europ, ruled about 700. p.n.e. in the middle part of river Vardar (Povardarje). Its principality was called Europe. By this principality, Europe got its name.]]></description>
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<p>In the Asian Media, there was mentioned the name of Serbian warrior rank – Geti. Zacharie Mayani(Les Hyksos et le monde de la Bible, Payot, Paris, 1956) says: &#8220;Gatas &#8211; the Iranian people, which had a language close to Vedic that one who understood one of them was understanding the other &#8220;. At Diodor is the information that Queen Semira logged on with the army on Mount Bagistan, which is modern Behistan. He says that the mountain was called because it was dedicated to the God (Bog &#8211; stan). There was also a city named Bagistan, southeast of Ekbatan. Although Ekbatan was the capital of the Media, the most beautiful city was Nisa, which was well known by its horses throughout the whole Asia.</p>
<p>The name of the town of Nisa was changed to Raga (the name for old horse in Serbian), then Seleuk I gives this city the name of Europo, according to his birthplace city with the same name near Vardar. This is now modern Tehran. The younger brother of the first king of Macedonia, Perdike I Karanovic, whose name was Europ, ruled about 700. p.n.e. in the middle part of river Vardar (Povardarje). Its principality was called Europe. By this principality, Europe got its name.</p>
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		By: X.T.M		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 08:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/02/06/the-art-of-taarof/#comment-29925&quot;&gt;Milan Todorovic&lt;/a&gt;.

Wasn’t Iran and the Middle East a colony of Serbia until recently?]]></description>
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<p>Wasn’t Iran and the Middle East a colony of Serbia until recently?</p>
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		By: Milan Todorovic		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 08:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It exists in Serbian culture, too. It is very strange to westerners (English/Suisse) who accurately split restaurant bills (even couples) while watching Serbs who are ready almost to physically fight who will pay the total bill. Especially, men do not allow women to pay for drinks. There is also a cult of guests and hospitality. One anecdotal story from old times says how Turks took some Serbs prisoners and started torturing and killing them one by one. Turkish pasha asked an old man who was waiting to be killed if he feels the biggest fear in his life. No, said the old man, the biggest fear I felt long time ago when some unexpected guests popped in my house and I didn’t have anything to offer them, even no mouldy bread. The story says that pasha released him to freely walk away.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It exists in Serbian culture, too. It is very strange to westerners (English/Suisse) who accurately split restaurant bills (even couples) while watching Serbs who are ready almost to physically fight who will pay the total bill. Especially, men do not allow women to pay for drinks. There is also a cult of guests and hospitality. One anecdotal story from old times says how Turks took some Serbs prisoners and started torturing and killing them one by one. Turkish pasha asked an old man who was waiting to be killed if he feels the biggest fear in his life. No, said the old man, the biggest fear I felt long time ago when some unexpected guests popped in my house and I didn’t have anything to offer them, even no mouldy bread. The story says that pasha released him to freely walk away.</p>
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		By: Snake Charmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2019 04:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Traces of Ta&#039;arof  etiquettes exist in Indian culture too (We call the word ta&#039;areef here). This excessive fawning over guests, insistence on footing the restaurant bills, plying guests (especially wedding guests) with food and drink till they just can&#039;t take it in anymore, all this exists in Indian society too. But all this is now fading away and people are becoming more practical and businesslike, like the Americans. 

There is an interesting anecdotes about two Lakhnau nawabs who missed their train, because each one kept insisting that the other one should board the train first. (The famous pahle-aap etiquette). Interestingly, Lakhnau nawabs, who were Shia, traced their roots to Persia. The British takeover of Awadh put an end to the nawabi high culture. Those were really India &quot;Gone with the wind days&quot;. 

Glimpses of those days survive in Bollywood movies like Pakeezah and Umrao Jaan.
 
A story, probably apocryphal but still very instructive, goes like this. Apparently when British Army marched into Lakhnau to arrest last Awadh nawab Wajid Ali, he couldn&#039;t flee in time. Reason was, even though he had his shoes handy, the servant who put these shoes on his feet was nowhere to be seen! And thus the last nawab fell in British captivity.

So apparently the Ta&#039;arof manners are no match for the hard nosed Anglo-Saxon directness. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traces of Ta&#8217;arof  etiquettes exist in Indian culture too (We call the word ta&#8217;areef here). This excessive fawning over guests, insistence on footing the restaurant bills, plying guests (especially wedding guests) with food and drink till they just can&#8217;t take it in anymore, all this exists in Indian society too. But all this is now fading away and people are becoming more practical and businesslike, like the Americans. </p>
<p>There is an interesting anecdotes about two Lakhnau nawabs who missed their train, because each one kept insisting that the other one should board the train first. (The famous pahle-aap etiquette). Interestingly, Lakhnau nawabs, who were Shia, traced their roots to Persia. The British takeover of Awadh put an end to the nawabi high culture. Those were really India &#8220;Gone with the wind days&#8221;. </p>
<p>Glimpses of those days survive in Bollywood movies like Pakeezah and Umrao Jaan.</p>
<p>A story, probably apocryphal but still very instructive, goes like this. Apparently when British Army marched into Lakhnau to arrest last Awadh nawab Wajid Ali, he couldn&#8217;t flee in time. Reason was, even though he had his shoes handy, the servant who put these shoes on his feet was nowhere to be seen! And thus the last nawab fell in British captivity.</p>
<p>So apparently the Ta&#8217;arof manners are no match for the hard nosed Anglo-Saxon directness. 🙂</p>
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