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Santosh
Santosh
5 years ago

Requesting more Hindutva people interviews. Also if possible, interviews with very short list of important questions completely to do with non-religious and national-development/upheaval-related stuff put to Vedantic Hindu religious heads or more realistically people affiliated with them in most important religious institutions from K’taka (Shringeri (Advaita), Udupi/Mantralayam (Dvaita)), TN (Shrirangam (Tenkalai Vishishtadvaitic Vaishnavism)/Kanchi (Vadakalai Vishishtadvaitic Vaishnavism)), etc.

Milan Todorovic
Milan Todorovic
5 years ago
Reply to  Razib Khan

What was the problem with Bharot’s link re aDNA map under ‘On the difficulties…’?

Santosh
Santosh
5 years ago
Reply to  Razib Khan

I am generally very afraid of replying to you Dr. Razib Khan but could you also consider interviewing the extraordinarily interesting Abhijit Iyer-Mitra from twitter? In addition to having his exemplary achievements (he spent some time in jail – the old Indian freedom-fighter style not a common criminal style), he also seems to be an out homosexually oriented person (I will most definitely be extremely apologetic to everyone if this belief of mine happens to be wrong), so maybe he can enlighten us with regards to that problem too and how a Hinduism-based state tackles it. I am most certainly ready to hang my head in shame and with nothing but absolute happiness if this particular suggestion of mine is inappropriate but I also most certainly believe that interviewing Abhijit Iyer-Mitra for the podcast in any capacity really – as a general rightwing person, as a Hindutvavadi (actually I realise that I am not sure if the guy is actually a Hindutvavadi so I will be sincerely apologising if this belief of mine turns out to be a falsehood too), as a young, rising journalist, about his experiences in jail, etc. etc. About anything really, as this person is that interesting.

Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
5 years ago

Wrong horse? Wrong wheel? Wrong language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XQZEWhnzVM

European Association of Archaeologists

A recent critique of David Anthony’s work that all geneticist looking for a “massive migration” from steppe into South Asia ought to hear.

“my (Morris) own work suggests that Anthony is blithely assuming linguistic behaviour during the initial unobservable phase of this process which is diametrically opposed to the behaviour during the observable period. Furthermore, his linguistic archaeology of wheel words systematically ignores all comparative data from other language groups and as such, fails to address the likelihood that such words are nothing more than loanwords. The evident implication is that Indo-European is older.”

If the link does not work just search “Wrong horse? Wrong wheel? Wrong language?” on Youtube.

Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
5 years ago

Another one in this presentation series.

The new genetic narrative of the Kurgan hypothesis: Some problems
European Association of Archaeologists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyfKsTm3X9s

Demoule’s English is hard to understand. I could not hear much about genetics in spite of what the title of his talk says. Around 8:14 he is saying something about the problems with male dominated migrations. At the end he talks about skull shapes (16:35 min). Its worth checking out.

kashcit
kashcit
5 years ago

From your comment on another site: “To be frank, it’s probably interesting, but the quality of insight is just lower on a substantive scale.” I think it might help if you sent some important questions in advance to podcast guests.

Xerxes the Magian
5 years ago
Reply to  kashcit

we tend to do that as it is.
I haven’t done a podcast for a few weeks but it’s interesting that the dense informative Browncasts (Numismatics, Sanskrit) don’t go viral as much as the Masalacasts.

Gaurav Lele
Gaurav Lele
5 years ago

Zack,
Numismatics, Sanskrit -those two are my favorite podcasts !

Prats
Prats
5 years ago

@Zac @Razib

If you want to discuss the state of education in India and the demographic divident/liability then you could invite the guy who runs this handle:
https://twitter.com/learning_pt

He has done a lot of data-based work on it. The account is run by a group of interns but the main guy’s name is Prashant, I believe.

Saurav
Saurav
5 years ago

Man in India the whole Citizenship amendment act is getting hot. Just like some white folks have this blindspot that brown people are NOT that racist , i had this view that mainland Indians are mostly racist towards North East folks. Got a rude awakening today.

Deep Bhatnagar
Deep Bhatnagar
5 years ago
Reply to  Saurav

Never forget about ‘Tribalism’.

Elaborated answer –
https://thewire.in/video/watch-i-you-turned-out-to-be-just-like-us-equally-stupid

She is restricting tribalism to religions & that defines her own tribalism. Point is tribalism is inescapable but rules or laws can be developed to define how individuals & groups can deal with each other fairly even with prejudices {Problem of modern world is all sides want to project the other side as prejudiced while retaining the tag of fairness for themselves thus no side wants to admit to their own prejudices}.

The real failure of modernity lies in the fact that in it’s endeavor to defeat tribalism the modern tribes took over & not only that in their belief that they cherished diversity they actually started the biggest homogenization project via big govt.’s & large multinationals.

Numinous
Numinous
5 years ago
Reply to  Saurav

Back at the turn of this century, my friends reported an unpleasant (possibly racist) incident when slurs based on skin color were thrown at them by locals during a visit to Sikkim. There was also a hint that the locals specifically didn’t care for people from Delhi. (Probably because of how many Delhi people treat northeasterners; word gets back.)

Vijay
Vijay
5 years ago

Razib:
Two questions; is the book “which of us are Aryans” really being published with Romila Thapar? Iwas rejected by Amazon India when I tried to buy that. Amazon India took my money but later rejected the sale as book not ready.

Second, on the comment on people who have the smallest steppe fraction. You said the Munda, but the people from Computational Biology Group, IBM – Thomas J. Watson Research Center, New York seem to think that “Paliyan, Pulayar, and Kadar” are the best representatves of zero-steppe population in India. They are hill tribe foragers, and described in
“Population Differentiation of Southern Indian Male Lineages Correlates with Agricultural Expansions Predating the Caste System”

Santosh
Santosh
5 years ago

Oh wow, please also consider inviting the author of the Manasataramgini blog and also similar others from twitter. Those are like very knowledgeable and unspeakably extraordinarily brilliant individuals when it comes to Classical Hinduism.

(I am officially being very drawn to the concept of Classical Hindu revival effected through the kind of religious upheavals being seen on the ground all over India now – my ritually-low-caste background and somewhat left-leaning family history and all that completely aside. The existing liberal program seems to be, as the commentator Hari suggested in the other thread, an essentially Christian program which tries to ban any normal discourse on subjects not to Christianity’s liking like (responsible) abortion, (responsible) eugenics, etc. in places where it has no business interfering, like China and India (I mean – the almost black-and-white nature of the abortion debate in the US seems really silly, and all the recent backlash regarding the Chinese gene-editing is really really outrageous). I am not suggesting that the liberal program did no good. It has done so much good to the world really. But Christian anxieties and obsessions are better injected into non-Christian systems only until a reasonable point and not any further. But anyway, what can an individual having a most-percentage tAmasika characteristics like me contribute to the Hindutva cause, I wonder.)

Santosh
Santosh
5 years ago
Reply to  Santosh

Man now I also more completely realise how laughably unnecessary the entire Shabarimala fiasco is lol.

AnAn
5 years ago
Reply to  Santosh

Did you get an e-mail from me?

Santhosh, you asked how you can contribute. You can be free!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSRoFfBAzr4&t=497s

Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
5 years ago
Reply to  Santosh

“Oh wow, please also consider inviting the author of the Manasataramgini blog and also similar others from twitter.”

Wonderful suggestion! It is like inviting the KKK/David Duke to speak for white people or Louis Farrakhan to speak for black people.

Kalavai Venkat: Sufficiently bigoted. Hates everybody but himself.

https://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2016/01/03/science-inference-rigor-ait-manasataramgini-self-goal/

“But he holds on to a weird version of AIT (mind you, not AMT) that assumes invasion dates that even predates”conventional” AIT dates. I think he holds on to some Tilak school of thought which purports that Aryans came from cold, Arctic-like climates.”

http://talageri.blogspot.com/2016/05/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html

“Today, I find sometimes on the internet that it is some stray Tamil brahmins (both Iyers and Iyengars, one example being Kalavai Venkat), who are not leftists but fervent religious Hindus, who promote the idea that the Aryans were a race of people who invaded India from some ultimate homeland situated far outside India, and that they themselves are scions of the invader race.”

Milan Todorovic
Milan Todorovic
5 years ago

Comments appears very slowly with a delay, sometimes appear and quickly disappear. Is there some situation over there, a strict control as a consequence of Bregzit, patronage still under threshold or just ‘work gently and take it easy’ by the moderators?

Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar
5 years ago

India- The country that isn’t.
Thought provoking article by Joseph T. Nooney aka Joe Agneya

http://devasurah.blogspot.com/2018/01/is-india-country-introduction.html

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