As I was scoffing down my lunch (I jest; I actually eat really healthy food) a thought came into my mind that a good book title would be “The Post-White World.”
Since 1492 (when Granada fell and Columbus set off) there has been an increasing consolidation of the West. It reached its apogee in the Victorian Era, where it was unabashed racial hegemony, and it took two World Wars to really shake it off. It’s interesting that Islam experienced so much “innovation” in the 19th century simply because the incursion of the West was finally being internalised.
Baha’i Faith’s origins can be best be described as Islam without the rough edges (depending on whether you believe Qom or not, its origins weren’t entirely incidental but deliberate, the greatest villain in Baha’i history Amir Kabir is a revered Iranian patriot).
It took another Cold War (Russia isn’t necessarily an “Eastern power” considering it was founded by Scandinavians, populated by Slavs and adhered to a Hellenistic strain of Christianity) for the world to really internalise the ideals of racial and gender equality (arguably with the elite liberal Westerners jumping the shark on identity politics).
An interest outcome of the Second World War was not only the general discrediting of racial doctrine (the Nazi philosophy) but that Empire was dismantled. Further to that the Empire actually followed the Europeans back to their homeland so it was almost a triple whammy to the Imperialists.
It’s conceivable that all the way back when the subject races didn’t necessarily amount to much (I had never heard of JC Bose & Marconi’s theft until MJ told me about him yesterday) so no one could fast forward 50 or 100 years except for Enoch Powell.
However with the onset of an Asian century and the receding memories of Western & white hegemony, it will make for interesting times. We aren’t yet in that period but in its twilight era (future historians will be able to better date the exact points, Trump could be another Julian the Apostate in trying to ressurect WASP America).
I would also argue that the last millennium was unique in the sense that the hegemony was not only industrialised but spanned the entire globe. Even the Romans or the Chinese at their greatest extent only managed certain parts of it.
Furthermore people and societies have a generalised, not a detailed view of history, so while the British may remember their Empire specifically for other Westerners it will be more of a civilization affinity. The co-opting (appropriation in modern parlance) of the Jewish, Greek and Roman legacy by the modern West is a good example of that. The average Frenchman, German or Briton will know that their ancestors were tribesman but will instead identify with Jesus, Julius and Jehovah. 300 is a good example of that; the Greeks are the West and the Persians are the East.
In many ways history is a lot like Quantum mechanics (I’m going to bungle up this analogy) and the act of observing and writing history changes it entirely.
As a final thought and since this is the Desisphere; for Macaulay’s children (if you are from Hindustan, read and understand this blog you are probably one of them); the period of White Dominance was extremely kind to us. As Razib alludes in his previous many of the liberal Indians are struggling with their dual identities. The entire quest for identity and rights exists mainly within a white-defined paradigm.
The irony is that Modi, who seems to be growing from strength to strength, may be philo-Western (he loves to hug Western leaders) but is the expression of a long suppressed and raw India that is waking up after a millennia, hangry as f*ck.
Imran Khan and Rahul Gandhi who are rather effete English speakers (and most likely think in English) are the ghosts of this lost white world. Even Imran’s conception of the Muslim religion is rooted in Western philosophy rather than in authentic Muslim thought (dividing up Mecca and Medina and trying to salvage the good bits of Islam; he wants his liberalism & Islam mixed well together so he never has to choose between the two).
Macaulay’s children were historically only the thinnest crust even as more and more Indians speak English and watch Game of Thrones; the Dalits and “aam admi” remained distinctly unaffected. It may be so that identity politics will transmit to India en masse but it’s a safer bet to see the rising middle classes instead find expression and modernity in some hybridised Hindu culture; it won’t be long before the Ramayana and Mahabharat is mined to create a Desi Game of Thrones.
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“it won’t be long before the Ramayana and Mahabharat is mined to create a Desi Game of Thrones.”
That guy who does that will be a really brave person . Considering the recent trend, anything which does not conform to the strict “Ramayana and Mahabharat ” religious interpretation will never take off in India.
I was giving obvious examples but I can imagine a GoT setting in medieval India with the Rajputs and Mughals.
India’s rich history has to be giving a popular expression..
The way Padmavat panned out, not sure even that;s possible (feel digital is still safe for now so netflix, amazon can still do it) .
If this Govt comes back to power , Netflix is next to face the heat. It has been doing bit of anti-right wing stuff in its Indian content ( Sacred Games, Ghoul) but its next show Leila (based on Prayag Akbar;s book Leila) could really mean war.
Just read the Wiki for the Leila novel haha…seems Netflix wants a war with the Indian Right lol. Anyways I won’t watch it, I’m getting tired of media’s constant Hindu-bashing.
The novel is good though, especially for a debutant
Doesn’t matter how “good” it is on a technical level if it’s nakedly ideological and intended to attack my faith and heritage.
Ghoul was anti-govt?
What world do you think ghoul was set in? The nazi-hindutva world. Leila is just the bigger version of that world
This isn’t really true…Bahubali draws obvious inspiration from the Hindu mythos, the Amish Tripathi books even more so.
Is this the first time in history someone has described Imran Khan as effete? ?
IK is a damp squib and seems very overwhelmed by leadership. I just saw a clip of Hina Rabbani Khar (ex foreign minister) blasting him in Parliament.
On the other hand Modi with his 40inch chest (did I get that right) seems up for the fight and full of passion.
He’s just very animated, geniune and proud of his Bharat. Rahul is a disgrace..
i pinged manish again
“The Post-White World” would be a good podcast..
Sounds like alt right podcast The post immigrant world
Xerxie, there are so many things to be objected in your text. I will explain later one-by-one but now very briefly:
“The co-opting (appropriation in modern parlance) of the Jewish, Greek and Roman legacy by the modern West is a good example of that. The average Frenchman, German or Briton will know that their ancestors were tribesman but will instead identify with Jesus, Julius and Jehovah. 300 is a good example of that; the Greeks are the West and the Persians are the East.”
The question – from WHOM ‘appropriated’ Greeks and Roman? They took the land, language, alphabet and mythology from indigenous people who were developing their mythology for several thousands of years to be ‘appropriated’ and made two instant copy/paste mythologies in about 100-200 years. Even Jews (king Mesha of Moab, 9th c.BC) took this alphabet to carve in the stone their first legal document and everyone can see this now.
“300” – Spartans were not Greeks, they were Serbs. This is one of many historical falsifications so as Alexander the Great (Lesandar Karanovic) was not a Greek, than Serb. Greeks never had the name Alexander before him.
“…Russia isn’t necessarily an “Eastern power” considering it was founded by Scandinavians, populated by Slavs and adhered to a Hellenistic strain of Christianity…“
Russia was not founded by Scandinavians (another falsification), was not populated by Slavs (the term first used for Serbs in the 7.cAC and mostly after the Christian Church split), there is no Hellenistic strain …Apostle (remember ‘barefooted’) Andrew First-Called was a brother of St Peter, the first Christ’s follower and Patriarch of Constantinople was spreading Christianity in today’s Russia (Serbs lived there!). Christian church split in the 11 c.AC.
Serbian tribes had many individual names but two names (i.e. ranks or castes) are common: Serbs (warriors – followers of the god Serbon) and Rasi (agriculturalists – followers of the goddess of earth – Reasa or Rasa or Gaya).
Russians (they pronounce Rasi) were Serbs until the 8 c.AC.
‘Prussians’ (i.e. pRasi) are also Serbs who were Germanized in the 12 c.AC and spoke Serbian until 200 years ago.
‘Thracians’ is a Greek pronunciation of Rasi, i.e. Serbs. For them Herodotus wrote (500BC) that they were the largest nation in the world after Indians.
‘Raseni’ (i.e. Etruscans) were also Serbs and founders of the city of Rome.
The name of the first Serbian state in the 8th c.AC was Raska (i.e. Ras). There are now a province and the city Ras in Serbia.
RE: Markoni – he (so as Edison) is a thief, worked as an assistant in Nikola Tesla’s lab, stole the radio concept and announced as his discovery. Electromagnetic waves, radar, radio, alternative current and 700 other similar inventions were discovered by Nikola Tesla.
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