As.promised:

“Trolls are honoured, the honoured go rotten;
In this jewel-less land, decency has no power”.

Dude, I watch Ronald Reagan videos for fun. If I was a US citizen and age-eligible I would have voted Republican every time from 1950 to 2012 with the exception of 1964. Wouldn’t consider doing so now, I would definitely not be welcome. Frankly I would find it easier to vote for the BJP.

CAIR poll shows 78% of Muslims voted for Bush in 2000. Zogby poll from a year later (biased in that sense) shows 47% (compared to 33% for Gore). My parents voted for Bush, as did most Muslims (according to them). Democrats were running a Zionist is their explanation (Lieberman).

Washington Post says 4% of Muslims voted for Bush in 2004. Which seems ridiculously low (more voted for Trump), but jives with a sense that the Republican policy post 9/11 supremely alienated Muslims (I don’t know any Muslim who voted for them afterward).

send me the links anan. otherwise i don’t believe it. these numbers don’t pass the smell test. black muslims were very mad about the immigrant business groups backing bush in 2000 fwiw.

(my parents did not vote for bush either year)

The Council on American Islamic Relations estimated that GW Bush won 78% of the muslim vote. Other estimates had different numbers.

Do you know any muslims who didn’t vote for Bush in 2000? I don’t. Even if they are embarrassed by it now.

Are you aware of any estimates of Bush winning less than 48% of the muslim vote in 2004?

Bush did well among poor and less educated male voters in 2004.

Having said this, I think small sample sizes make all such estimates have large standard errors.

America and the world were very different in 2000 and 2004.

i’m 95% sure both of these assertions is wrong. perhaps the majority voted for bush…but a lot of immigrant muslims are poor, and black muslims never supported him.

zero chance he won the majority in 2004.

but they already are on all those fronts.

i think in general tbh black american muslims do a better job than immigrants to the children of immigrants. both omar and talib come form antisemitic milieus. even if they are not themselves antisemitic the way they criticize israel sounds that way cuz as pelosi said they don’t use language the right way.

Pre Trump many muslims were part of the Republican establishment and major donors to the GOP. I think this natural alliance will reassert itself post Trump.

Muslims significantly socio-economically outperform American caucasians. Including in academic performance and academic credentials. Musllims are over represented among senior corporate executives, technology, academia, law, medicine, consulting, I Banking/Asset management/Private Equity/Wall Street, Venture Capital.

Part of what went nuts in the US was the angry backlash many Americans had against Iraqi Americans and Afghan Americans post 2004.

Many Afghan Americans lobbied Congress and Washington DC for economic and military aid for Afghanistan and for the Afghanistan National Army (which remains deeply popular and respected among the large majority of Afghans). However many Americans who opposed foreign aid to Afghanistan and aid to the Afghanistan National Army started to viciously attack Afghan Americans as traitors to America who were trying to spend American blood and treasure to advance Afghan interests at the expense of American interests.

Similarly many Iraqi Americans lobbied for economic and military aid for Iraq and for the Iraqi Army (which remains deeply popular and respected among the large majority of Iraqis). However many Americans who opposed foreign aid to Iraq and aid to the Iraqi Army started to viciously attack Iraqi Americans as traitors to America who were trying to spend American blood and treasure to advance Iraqi interests at the expense of American interests.

Similarly many Sufi, twelver, sixer, Ahmedi, liberal Sunni Americans are frequently viciously attacked by Americans for lobbying to spend American blood and treasure to protect minority and liberal muslim heritage people. Muslim Americans who oppose Islamists are frequently charged with dual loyalty.

I observed many cases of the above in Washington circles. I have also observed this sentiment among many veterans who believe that America has no dog in what they see as a vicious Islamic civil war that has been underway for 14 centuries. Many veterans ask how does it matter if Pakistan or the Pakistani Army rules Afghanistan or kills a couple hundred thousand Afghans? How does it matter if Daesh and Al Qaeda kill 10 million muslims? They have been fighting each other for over a thousand years the argument goes. Many Americans also don’t want to allow moderate muslims to move to the US for the same reason. Their logic is that Islamists hate moderate muslims and will try to kill moderate muslims inside the US. In the process many other Americans will die and terrorism against America as a whole will increase. Many believe that the only way to disengangle America from the Islamic civil war raging around the world is not to allow any more moderate, liberal, or minority muslims inside the US.

I think this drives much of what some call Islamaphobia among the American public. Many Americans feel that if America did not let so many moderate muslims in, AQ and Daesh would focus less on killing Americans and focus more on mass murdering other people around the world.

I have had many conversations along these lines. My response is that the world’s 6 billion nonmuslims can’t disentangle themselves from the Islamic civil war and that inevitably millions of nonmuslims will die in collateral damage. But my argument is a deeply unpopular one inside the US and across the large majority of the world’s 6 billion nonmuslims.

That’s unlikely to happen. The current default of the GOP is to be full on Islamophobe since that makes their base happy and doesn’t really cost them votes or donations. US Muslims would find it much easier to ally with the gay\trans lobby. Acceptance of gay marriage is higher among them than it is for white evangelicals see the NYT article below. Pre-Donald Trump both parties regarded Muslims as being politically toxic, so they will go with the one option they have.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/opinion/america-islam.amp.html

Also Priti Patel is a Hindu, Sajid Javid is Chancellor of the Exchequer and the second most powerful man in the government. Of Pakistani heritage but an ex-Muslim.