don’t make shit up or i’ll ban you. you know very well where david’s concerns are coming from.

“Is Yamnaya overrated?”
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/

It seems like Davidski has finally thrown in the towel on the Kurgan hypothesis. Check out the comments by one Gaska, a self described Basque speaker from Spain. Also stumbled upon the following comment from Professor Brighenti. How are you Sir? Long time no see!

“Agreed, yet Chaubey claims there is a continuity of 20,000 years of R1a in India.

How is that possible?”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIeiHsGUeEU&feature=youtu.be

Here are Chaubey’s words translated from the 18:51 min mark

“With this we conclude that there are many branches of R1a present in India that represent a full continuity of all the mutations going back 20,000 years. All our forefathers carrying the (various branches of R1a) were right here.”

I don’t think he is claiming that R1a originated in India or it ORIGINATED 20,000 years ago even. They would need ancient samples for that which, they do not have. On the concluding slide in English he rejects the hypothesis of R1a arriving from steppe based on the diversity and continuity of R1a mutations he talked about previously. This much CAN be judged from modern samples.

Hopefully Niraj Rai will provide some more clarity during the upcoming Jaipur Dialogues series hosted by Sanjay Dixit on October 21st. Vasant Shinde is going to participate also.

Milan Todorovic wrote
“Don’t forget your basic task – to find the previous name of the river Ind. ”
There isn’t any.

What this guy writes are a simple joke. What a waste of time and efforts to prove elusive OIT (this is an oxymoron, “I” did not exist at that time). His and your knowledge of European history is also a joke. Albanian in Roman records? Ha-ha. They first time stepped in (by coincidence) to today’s Albania which was a Serbian kingdom in 1043 and asked for permission to stay and work as shepherds on one mountain. Serbian king gave them permission and they were paying a symbolic tax (few cattle and sheep). This is well documented. They remained as shepherds for 400 years until Turks came. Since then until now, they have been terrorizing Christian people and in last 30 years are the leading narco-dealers in the world. A group without any culture, faith, history, anything – a black hole of human civilization.

Sirmio – you guys must be joking. Sirmium (50 km from Belgrade) was a Roman capital city for centuries. Ten Serbian Roman emperors were born there. Diocletian spent whole his life there, visited Rome only once for 15 days. They had Colosseum 500m long. The only mint of money in Roman Empire. Most of this you can find even in Wikipedia. Sirmio and Albanians? – what a joke.

Medes (i.e. Media) – that is the previous name of Macedonia. Media in Iran (famous by horses) is where ancient Serbs from Balkan came. They gave the previous name to Teheran, first Nisa, after – Raga (old horse in Serbian), Europo (a place in Balkan Media, where Aleksandar the Great’s father dynasty originated and the Europe later got its name based on the principality of Alexander’s predecessor).

Don’t forget your basic task – to find the previous name of the river Ind. Here we go another one – in the text you are referring was mentioned one of great civilizations – China. The question is – who gave the name to Chinese?

“Origins of Indus Valley People Revealed in Recent DNA Analysis”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0nB9wFLM4

accompanied by some hilarious comments

“Here is a question and thought, if the Rakhigarhi sample shows a migration of people or groups of people out of the core IVC area, do we see any evidence of this in the Steppe or other areas near there?”

Can’t speak about genetics but refer to section 3 of the following four part series by Talageri, Section 6 in particular.

http://talageri.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-recorded-history-of-indo-european.html

“VII.18.5 Śimyu.
VII.18.6 Bhṛgu.
VII.18.7 Paktha, Bhalāna, Alina, Śiva, Viṣāṇin.
VII.83.1 Parśu/Parśava, Pṛthu/Pārthava, Dāsa.”

These various tribes mentioned in the Dasharajanya War (War of Ten Kings) align very well with the modern day locations of these people which have been corroborated from other historical sources. For example Medes (Madra) have been mentioned by Hebrew texts. Sirmio who Talageri equates with Albanians are mentioned in Roman records not too far from there.
“Ecclesiastical Province of Sirmio”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_in_the_Balkans#Ecclesiastical_Province_of_Sirmio

Ecclesiastical Province of Sirmio

@Saurav Rig Veda is mumbo jumbo for the stupids who simply don’t have sense poetry, understanding of Vedic language and old world symbolism. How could you compare this unparalleled and precious work to Chach Nama ! There must be a reason why despite having developed various sophisticated philosophies Brahmins(or better Indians) hold Vedas in highest regard. Shouldn’t there?
Vedas are not history books so it’s vain to try to extract bits and pieces from them to fit any theory of your liking.
To be precise Vedas have been composed on the land of Sapta-Sindhu (the same region where IVC is located) and it gives hints about Indian-Iranian split as well as movement of Vedic people to Gangetic plane from bank of Indus. Except it’s youngest parts there is no mention of iron in Vedas so it was surely composed in Bronze age.
Sapta-Sindhu also finds mention in Avesta(though in rather demeaning way considering their political split from Vedic Aryans).
Vedas represent different method of acquiring knowledge which is by using direct perception instead of mere intellectual gymnastics.

Frankly Indians ( even right wingers ) are more like Pakistani on the whole thing. It’s a very small subset of left and right who are fighting this battles.

Only in the minds of these few folks are these battles going to define native-nes ( which is essentially already settled socio-culturally). No one outside of it thinks that either conclusion ( aryan invasion vs native aryans ) would really determine anything

“do you think we could find more such sites and discoveries in areas closer to the centre of Harappa (like Pak , Indian punjab and sindh)? What;s the reason not much excavation and all hasn;t taken place there?”

Most of the core IVC sites are in pak, and pakistanis don’t care about IVC. Life for pakistanis is much simpler – whatever happened in jahiliya stays in jahiliya.

I in fact say this with a positive connotation. I wish Indians would be bit like pakistanis and won’t be so hung up on genes and lineages.

A further expansion of the Mukunda Raghavan’s comment can be, What explains the level of difference Religio-Culturally in NW India and the Eastern European space, post these regions having gotten these Steppe people.

IF the argument is its an Invasion, it inherently implies 2 attributes, A) Fast time scale and B) cultural space Domination/hierarchy.

And the natural consequence of that is, there has to be a high order similarity in what the end or even intermediate result is in those 2 regions. But we find Indian Vedic era (post that it is even more hopeless to compare since the differences are too significant) is hardly what Europeans were having.

Language is very important but there is only so much its similar/shared structures can explain.
Language similarity doesn’t explain the actual every day civilizational space itself.

Meaning it can not be an Invasion unless we radically change the meaning of the word in English language and other languages to fit our narrative.