Yeah so, why does India want to take over Pakistan ? You still havent given us a single good reason.

Problem is that this “5th Gen Warfare” is very real

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-india-55232432?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50749764

Quora, Reddit, Facebook, Youtube or the comments section of any newspaper, Indian posters make it a point to spread a negative image of Pakistan to a Western audience. Even go to a comments section of a Pakistani English newspaper and half the posters are either Indian or Indians pretending to be Pakistanis. Their common themes include “Pakistanis are just Hindu converts”, “IVC has nothing to do with Pakistan”, “Pakistanis are terrorists” etc etc

If one or two people do it thats fine but a significant chunk of half a billion people with internet access do it, it becomes a big deal for the other side who only sees this side of India.

Both India and Pakistan are artifically crafted nation states, they are not based on a common ethnicity or language or race, so they have to create a new mythology to strengthen the foundations of their state. I dont see anything wrong with this at all.

That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever, what buyers remorse? Nobody alive today created Pakistan for any such thing feelings. You seem to believe the ‘India Superpower 2020’ memes and that everyone wants to be part of India.

This is the point I made in the original post to which you replied, Pakistan has already differentiated itself from India and created or is in the process of creating its own cultural, religious, civilizational, racial basis for its existence, just like India created or is in the process of creating its own cultural, religious, civilizational, racial basis to create the basis of their country despite having several different nations within its boundaries.

“What’s your theory?”

Pakistanis are coping with buyer’s remorse. If people end up buying something that they didnt really want, they reassure themselves that they got something others really wanted.

“Pushing such a narrative thereby is taken as a direct threat to the Pakistani state, as India is seen suspiciously as trying to craft a narrative to take over this land .”

Few people in India talk or care about Akhand Bharat. Even fewer do it unironically. A lot of these latter people however are on the internet. As I said earlier, for most people Pakistan doesn’t exist except as a punching bag for its nuisance value.

I find the opposite truer, Pakistani pundits keep bringing up Akhand Bharat to justify the military’s stranglehold over the country. Reminds me of the ‘5th Generation Warfare’ meme that keeps doing the round of Pakistani Twitter but which not even the most active online folks in India have heard of.

Most Indians except for Aman ki Asha types will be more than happy with clearly demarcated borders and no interaction.

I agree to an extent, but no one in his right mind even in north India, wants to conquer Pakistan. As I have said earlier , media exaggerates all this akhand india pathologies a lot.

Apart from Punjabis who form a minuscule population in india there are no historical linkages of rest of India’s North Indian population with Pakistan regions. No temples , no historical sites etc were of any significant importance for North Indians, not just now , but for 100s of years. That’s why I had earlier remarked all this recent temple restoration by Pakistan will be a damp squib. There is just no emotional attachment to Pakistan regions for North Indians.

Just like “ go to Pakistan “ in India is just a phrase rather than really asking someone to go. Similarly all this “ akhand bharat” is just another fantasy without any real impulse behind it.

Except many (north) Indians haven’t come out of partition mode and still think the lands of Pakistan are part of their historical territory that should come back to India. India is not a nation but a group of nations, and its claim to being one country is its appeal to some concept of an “ancient Indian civilization” but much of that history is in Pakistan.

//Why would India fantasize about capturing a rapidly growing population //

Exactly, why? I explained my theory in the previous post. What’s your theory?

Umm, there is a big difference between holding onto existing territories and acquiring new ones. There is not a single modern nation state that has willingly given up large tracts of land unless defeated militarily or compelled by external powers.

“unfulfilled fantasies”

This begs the question. Why would India fantasize about capturing a rapidly growing population which isnt even agriculturally self sufficient ?

Is India benefiting economically by holding onto its peripheral regions that are in open rebellion?

Don’t ask me that question because you and everyone here knows that it has less to do with any economic logic and more to do with unfulfilled fantasies. A united subcontinent is just going to be bad news for its Hindu population. You don’t want that, we don’t want that, but because the region shared a common historical thread for the past 1000 years or so, a significant chunk of the Indian population (religious and otherwise) would be more than willing to add the Pakistani lands and either subjugate its people (fantasy) – OR somehow peacefully reunite everyone (which is even a bigger fantasy), OR force/convince Pakistan to fall into the Indian sphere to pacify Hindu sensibilities regarding ”past wrongdoing” (too late for that to happen now).

Best case scenario is to just resolve Kashmir and move on, but it hasn’t happened in 73 years and not going to happen diplomatically anytime soon, nor does it seem like it will happen militarily now.

So now, everyone gets to fight online over ‘civilizational, racial, cultural and religious’ similarities/differences and fight over something as irrelevant as the religious makeup of IVC four thousand years ago.

“India is seen suspiciously as trying to craft a narrative to take over this land”

To do what ? Pakistan has a 3.56 fertility rate and imports food. Even if we could contain the Islamic extremism, how would India benefit economically ?