@Gh78
How do you figure that dalits or adivasis have a *greater* right to live on this land than other groups? The genocide of native americans was ongoing as recently as 150 years ago. Are we to think the rights and liabilities associated with population displacement go back indefinitely, to prehistory?

@Sumit
Caste is coded as Hindu. “Tribe” is so we don’t accidently notice familiar social structures. It isn’t pejorative or connote primitiveness up there because the nearby pashtuns do it

Leaving this stuff aside…

What is the difference between a “punjabi tribe” and a “punjabi caste” ?

Why are dalits a caste for eg. But Jatts or Khatris are a tribe.

Can’t even call this a stupid argument because for that it’d still have to make some sort of point via sense and logic (no matter how poor).

Those are Indian/Hindu gods and they’re dark-skinned. Dark-skinned and revered. Period.

I mean, just reverse the claim. “Aryan gods being light-skinned is a cop-out. If they had tribal/desi origins, they’d have been dark-skinned.” Yeah, no shit, Sherlock! Indian culture is a synthesis of a bunch of different things incl. light-skinned migrations as well as dark-skin inhabitants and migrants. I mean, what’re you implying? That desis/tribals aren’t Indian, didn’t contribute to Hindu culture, that Krishna isn’t as authentically Hindu as Indra? Just total claptrap.

And you’re wrong about dark southern deities. Many south-exclusive deities are light while certain northern deities are often portrayed as pitch black.

The point isn’t that racism/colorism aren’t real, but that these things are more complex than many would grant and simplistic American-style black and white narratives don’t apply.

“ I have to say I have often thought about moving back to Tamil country, but I sometimes wonder, am I going back for the right reasons? As in, am I going back in defeat, with my head down, having lost any sense of self-respect and self-esteem“

Didn’t periyar”s movement essentially named self respect movement or something ?

Well to attain Hindu unity, dravidians themselves have to first identity as Hindu, No?

Good God, smooth-brains like these are on a whole level of stupidity. They treat “Dravidian” as an AASI marker, even when AASI phenotype people are Indo-Aryan Speakers.

“Dravidians are Dalits”
Laughs in Rajendra Chola’s Armada. These clowns don’t know shit about Dravidian history and they dream of Hindu Unity. Pfft!

@GH78

Don’t tire yourself out. Pace yourself when you argue with some of these types. Often times, it isn’t even worth it to begin with. The best is to convince people in the grey zone. Trust me. I have been arguing with anti- AASI people online for a long time now. They have called me every insult in the book. They have attempted to dox me. It is deeply prejudiced group of people. These inegalitarian views literally run millennia deep. It will take a lot to overcome. Baby steps my dude

Biradri supremacists will do all they can to disown their 20-30% higher AASI population, just like the new “Indus Gang” disowns Gujarat as part of the IVC. It doesn’t fit the narrative. The degree of genetic difference in Punjab, if anything, points to the power of Brahmanistic Hindu influence in that area. Even if the center was gangetic plains, clearly endogamy is among the strongest in Punjab. There is little cline with the dalits. They aren’t genetically integrated at all. Untouchability seems to be most literal there.

@Razib
Sorry if it seemed a bit much, I am just disappointed to see well meaning folks saying things that reek of prejudice without realizing it. It shows that they possess an unconscious bias towards high AASI folks like us while claiming to be free of such noxious ideologies. Some are on this forum. I have seen the same in real life too, so I thought I would write about it on this forum as it has many people from South Asian communities. It helps people identify their prejudices and work to remove it. Its also important to spread awareness of our cause. People think that such colorist and racist attitudes do not exist in urban metros and young generations, but the opposite is true. It is still very much alive and has only gotten worse in some cases, just hidden better.