Comments on: Browncast episode 194: Caste, Hindus in America and Hinduphobia

By: Deep Saran Bhatnagar

Deep Saran Bhatnagar — Sun, 03 Jul 2022 11:20:05 +0000

In reply to Aditya Ronanki.

Depends upon what one means while using the term ‘Arya’ –

From genetics if you mean genetic markers like r1a, r1b & other related markers then yes Aryans inherited these genes.

If you mean Arya = UC / Brahmins then that would be wrong atleast in part –

https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/11/09/brahmins-do-not-descend-from-a-common-group/

https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/05/02/brahmins-were-made-in-india-not-the-steppe/

By: Sudhir Gupta

Sudhir Gupta — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 03:42:05 +0000

In reply to Onlooker. OBC is a term introduced by Government of India post independence.

By: Sudhir Gupta

Sudhir Gupta — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 15:00:32 +0000

Caste system in Hindu Society is not an inherent system of Hindu Thought. According to Vedas all human beings have been categorised according their professions and not by birth. These are known as Varnas. There are four categories in which
human beings can be divided, they are called four Varṇas – Brāhmin,
Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra. These Varnas are based on the activities undertaken by a person and not by birth. It is mentioned in Vedas that all persons are born Shudra and a person is categorized in a particular Varna according to the activities he pursues. The person who studies Scriptures, gains knowledge and utilizes his knowledge to guide
and serve others is called Brāhmin. Spiritual Guru, Teacher, Performer of Religious Rites, Doctor, Lawyer, Artist, Singer etc. come under this category. The person who manages and/or defends the Country and the society, is called Kshatriya, e.g., administrators, Judges, Soldiers, Police etc. The person who produces or trades commodities is called Vaishya, e.g. farmer, industrialist, trader, shop keeper etc. Any person who is not capable of doing any of the above works and earns his
livelihood by serving others comes under the Varna of Shudra. These
Varnas are neither superior nor inferior to each other. All of them are
equal and are complimentary to each other and have been created to
maintain social order. According to Vedas all human beings are the
progeny of Aditi – the mother of gods, and all of them are considered equal. No human being is inferior or untouchable. A person is to be considered of a particular Varna according to the activities he is doing irrespective of the family he is born in. Whatever distortions in the name of caste or untouchability are found in Hindu society today are because of some influential and selfish persons who wanted to keep weaker sections of society as their servants. Such distortions are not mentioned in any of the Scriptures. Such system is basically economic. In today’s society such systems are waning out fast. Today all the government officers, high salaried persons, lawyers, doctors, businessmen, persons in higher income groups and the like are respected in the society like others. Government policies have changed the whole scenario.

By: Saurav

Saurav — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:27:03 +0000

In reply to Aditya Ronanki. Ah, finally a Hindu trad on BP. Welcome brother. Though there are many Hindu trads on BP, they do not come out of closet, lest they are called caste-ist. A refreshing change.

By: Shiva Ji

Shiva Ji — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 08:05:22 +0000

In reply to Aditya Ronanki.

@ronanki
ICM are of 2 types
1-where 2 community have understanding .(Mosts UC-UC marriages)
2-where they donot have understanding or establishing relation will change nothing in positive.(2nd one is what we see in india The bride get absord in groom’s identity)
I say brahmin woman,bania woman,muslim woman,dalit woman are oxymorons .Even subcastes women are oxymoron.

https://imgur.com/a/oA4d2x4
Brams worried that banias are taking their beautiful girls just like muslims are doing.And in retaliation some are saying they have lots of bania Gf s too.There boys are becoming lazy ,and act like gujjars.
I think these people do not marry outside their community but those who marry subconsiously carry foward the same game.
They simp day and night to muslim,white,even beautiful dalit women but will kill if their women honestly love someone outside.Women cannot even simp.
who say male privilage doesnt exist?Can a women say I will f*ck my enemy men and produce my offspring,lol.

https://imgur.com/a/aiYpg3l something in random,here a ‘pundit’ terrorizing to dalit in worst way possible.Others do littlebit same but not casually.

@thewarlock I belive education can work ,but these people are best educated
and speak fluent english.I believe basic understanding of correct religion and science can change things up to good extent.its funny as well as sad that core philosophy of hinduism is in opposition of such believes.

Who is Mudha [the ignorant]? He who has the egoistic conception of the body, Caste, orders
of life, actor, enjoyer and others. [Niralamba Upanishad
Sukla Yajur Veda-Verse 33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajrasuchi_Upanishad

By: Brown

Brown — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 05:55:09 +0000

In reply to Aditya Ronanki. iranian experience of being monochromatic and getting wiped out by islam, shows that it is better to have an uneven field. even if one part falls for abrahamanic creed the others get up and resist. case study is the evangalical movement in andhra, which has become mainly madiga based and hence is not getting traction from other groups.

By: Aditya Ronanki

Aditya Ronanki — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 20:46:29 +0000

In reply to thewarlock.

See, the thing that raytas like you simply don’t understand is that there never was any unified “Hindu” identity or tradition, in the way that there exists a Muslim or Christian tradition. What we call “Hinduism” today is just an amalgam of thousands of disparate regional and caste-specific variations and derivatives of the original Vedic religion. Ironically the only common denominator was in fact probably the very adherence to varnashrama dharma that raytas like you desperately want to remove in order to garner more LC support.

Turning Hinduism into a robust, unified confessional identity completely goes against the whole essence and point of the faith tradition, which is why you have this whole rayta-trad civil war within the Hindutva movement. “Hinduism without caste” will never happen because there is no Hinduism without caste.

By: Aditya Ronanki

Aditya Ronanki — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 19:44:01 +0000

In reply to Aditi Vishv.

“Also just want to mention that the indo-dravidian theory has been debunked, and in fact it is NOT a theory but a hypothesis and an unsubstantiated one at that.
-a fellow indian from the south”
The “invasion” part was debunked, not the Aryan-Dravidian division as a whole and the fact that Aryans migrated to India from outside. Aryans being indigenous is just lousy UC Hindutvadi cope.

By: Onlooker

Onlooker — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 19:12:01 +0000

OBC is a meaningless term except within the parameters of Indian government social policy. It is entirely meaningless in the US.
If Patels or Jats are not backward in India or the US they are not backward; that is not just a tautology. It means that Indians in the US who insist on categorizing Americans with that term are not merely casteist, their mental life is lived in India.
If, as we now know, the caste system is not a radical division into ethnic groups, and if the various castes (except the Dalits) are very similar ethnically, then the whole religiously inspired mumbo jumbo of caste is best discarded in any discussion of Indians in the US. It is not, anthropologically useful, apart from being socially divisive. If Brahmins are descended from the head and Shudras from the feet, where are Arabs, Chinese and Europeans descended from. This whole silly categorization breaks down outside of India. That is why, no doubt, Hindus were prohibited from crossing the sea. The strictly ordered social nonsense could not survive outside India.
If on the other hand there is an ethnic basis to the caste system then Hindutva theory breaks down about the Aryans. So how do Jats have more steppe dna than Brahmins, but get classed as OBCs, especially when they are socially and economically dominant. And if Steppe dna matters are Muslim invaders superior to Brahmins in a hierarchy.
I recommend to the confused dabblers on caste theory on this site to overcome their ingrained prejudices and try to live like modern humans in the US, and not the equivalent of Southern rednecks and racists.

By: Aditi Vishv

Aditi Vishv — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 09:03:06 +0000

In reply to sameer.

These same people lament native Americans and their loss of culture. The only pagans they love are the dead ones who are a non threat. Hence the repeated attempts to break Hinduism by calling it a brahminical religion – that way certain parts of society are not indigenous to the country.
If we spent more time in india going into villages and trying to rid ourselves of casteism, bolstering Hinduism and entirely reducing western interference like China, these people would no longer have a foothold.