Norouz or Nowhere: The Identity Pakistan Can’t Claim

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Letโ€™s unpack Kabirโ€™s comment. Credit where itโ€™s due; his opinions inspire more of my posts. Perhaps itโ€™s time he rejoined as a contributor.

“That may well be true. But you canโ€™t deny that it is the liturgical language of Hinduism. There is zero reason for any Muslim to identify with it (unless they are specifically interested in languages). You could make a case for Pakistanis learning Persian since our high culture is Persianate. The same case cannot be made for Sanskrit.”

If Persian is truly the high culture, then why do ignore the one holiday that defines the Persianate sphere, Norouz? Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Iran, the Kurds, all speak different tongues, yet Norouz unites them. It is the civilizational cornerstone of Persian identity, the cultural “Jan. 1” across centuries of shared memory. But in Pakistan, Norouz is invisible. Not because Pakistan is un-Persian. But because Pakistan is post-colonial. The elite curate rupture, not heritage. Distance, not descent.

And letโ€™s be honest: the erasure didnโ€™t start with the British. Aurangzeb, still lionized by most Pakistanis (his fanaticism and Hinduphobia a plus point), abolished Nowruz as part of his Islamic โ€œreforms,โ€ replacing it with religious festivals. So how can one claim Persianate lineage while revering the very figure who uprooted it?

We also see this distortion projected outward. Pakistanโ€™s involvement in Afghanistan hasnโ€™t safeguarded Persianate culture, itโ€™s helped fracture it. Meanwhile, India, despite its Hindu majority, still maintains classical Persian departments in its universities. The civilizational irony writes itself.

If Pakistanis truly valued the Persianate inheritance, they had a clear path: remain in an undivided India. By 2025, Muslims in such a polity would likely number 650โ€“700 million. With that demographic weight, they could have preserved Persian, advanced language rights, and embedded their civilizational identity as co-architects of a pluralistic state. Instead, Partition gave us rupture without revival. And now we neither dominate the Muslim world nor feel at home in the Indic one.

Worse still, the linguistic schizophrenia is complete:

  • Sanskrit is disowned as โ€œHindu.โ€

  • Persian is claimed but not practiced (less than 0.01% speak it).

  • Arabic is idealized but not understood, recited without reflection.

The result is mimicry. A nation imitating othersโ€™ inheritances while forsaking its own.

If we were serious, Karachi Grammar School would teach Persian, not English, as its belle langue. We would celebrate Nowruz alongside Eid. We would honour Sanskrit as we do Arabic, as a root, however distant, of who we are.

The Vedas were composed on the banks of the Indus, yet nearly every Pakistani, outside its Hindu minority, remains entirely unaware. A civilizational treasure, erased from national memory.

Until then, the post-colonial Pakistani elite will remain in limbo: polished, articulate, and estranged from every civilizational lineage it claims. When you abandon your motherโ€™s language and your fatherโ€™s festival, donโ€™t be surprised if no one calls you home. It suspiciously reminds me of an ideological-settler further to the West that also strangles its indigenous identity.

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Kabir
Kabir
1 month ago

I don’t want to rejoin as a contributor. I remember those days in 2018-2019. I found a lot of the comments really toxic. Unfortunately, many of the regular commentators in those days were clearly sympathetic to the Hindu Right (I gather many commentators still are). I’m not against freedom of speech but the amount of downright Islamophobic abuse was quite off-putting. It’s kind of interesting to me that this blog doesn’t seem to draw the kinds of Indians who support Congress (the kind of Indians who have been my friends when I lived abroad).

If I can clarify my point about Pakistan’s “high culture” being Persianiate, I was thinking mostly about Urdu poetry. The literary register of Urdu uses a lot of Persian vocabulary. Our great poets like Ghalib, Mir, and Iqbal in fact wrote a lot of poetry entirely in Persian. So a case can definitely be made that learning Persian would help Pakistanis better understand their own literature.

Arabic is important in Pakistan because it is the liturgical language of Islam (just as Sanskrit is the liturgical language of Hinduism). However, not many people actually learn Arabic or speak it fluently. Mostly, it’s used only in reading the Quran.

Nourouz is actually celebrated by Shias and Ismailis in Pakistan. It’s not something that has relevance to Sunnis. Frankly, nothing is really relevant to Sunnis except Eid ul Fitr, Eid ul Adha and Eid-e-Milad un Nabi.

Lastly, KGS and other schools like it are never going to replace English with anything else. English is the way to get ahead in Pakistan (as it is in India to a large extent). The real divide in Pakistan is between those who are Urdu-educated vs. those who are English-educated.

Maybe if Pakistan truly becomes a Chinese satellite (as you called it), English will be replaced by Mandarin but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

A Doval
A Doval
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Again with claiming the false history.

I’ll let you claim Iqbal but Ghalib and Mir are not “your” poets. They are Indian poets, born on Indian soil and buried in Indian soil.

Kabir
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  A Doval

They are Urdu poets. Urdu is the national language of Pakistan.

Fortunately, you are no one to give me permission for anything. After all, you are some random person on the internet–someone who doesn’t even comment under their own name.

A Doval
A Doval
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Urdu “might” be the national language of Pakistan but it is an Indian language developed in the Gangetic Plains which lie within India.

Just like English is an official language in India. Is Shakespeare Indian now?

Kabir
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  A Doval

There was NO “India” until August 15, 1947. The nation-state did not exist.

You don’t have sole claim to everything that occurred within your current borders. Otherwise Harappa and Mohenjodaro are in Pakistan and you have no claim to them.

Again, you are a rando on the internet who is claiming the name of India’s NSA. Sorry, you are not the most credible person.

Pandit Brown
Pandit Brown
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Clearly there was an India before 1947. Every foreigner going back to the Ancient Greeks referred to it. It may not have been a Westphalian nation state, but those only emerged in the 17th century. What is now Pakistan used to be part of the old “India”, and broke away from it in ’47.

Kabir
Kabir
28 days ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

Pakistan was part of BRITISH India. I never said it wasn’t. British India was a colony and not a nation.

India and Pakistan were created at exactly the same time on August 15, 1947.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Islamophobia vs Muslimophobia. Which one are you referring to? The former is a phobia of an ideology and the latter of a people. The former is understandable but the latter is bigotry. The Islamic World is not a monolith. As xperia2015 points out, does being a complete Arab clone leave one rootless and thus becoming more fanatical than the original? Thereby justifying everything wrong done by the invaders and glorifying it despite knowing reality. Be objective about history as is.

Kabir
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

If you were around on BP during 2018-2020, you would know the Islamophobia that I was referring to. Vile things were said about the Prophet of God.

Don’t try to teach me English. It’s my native language and I grew up in the US. The accepted term worldwide is “Islamophobia” (just like “antisemitism”). “Muslimophobia” is not a widely used term.

“Be objective about history as is”–Same applies to the Hindu Right.

A Doval
A Doval
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Nothing called “Islamophobia”. Bad behaviour has to be called out.

There is a reason even chill Europeans are voting in far right governments.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  A Doval

Absolutely, just plain bullying since they can’t control others thoughts on what they truly feel about said ideology.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

So touchy about stuff being said about someone from the 7th century. In the same vein, can’t you see why polytheists take offence to Abrahamics deriding their beliefs and gods? In fact you go further, and claim they should be terminated because they don’t share your beliefs. Is this not true? Then why would a polytheist not be afraid? It’s like being invited for dinner with a cannibal and living to tell the tale!

You’re sitting in the US and defending Pakistan?

Pandit Brown
Pandit Brown
28 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Itโ€™s kind of interesting to me that this blog doesnโ€™t seem to draw the kinds of Indians who support Congress.

Talking about the Congress, go back and read how Jinnah talked and felt about the Congress. He basically called it a Hindu nationalist party, and kept referring to Nehru and Gandhi as Hindu leaders (quite literally when he commented on Gandhi’s assassination). But now that the likes of Modi have ascended to power in India, the Congress now feels nice to Pakistanis like you (despite the fact that they were in power until a decade ago, and almost all the trouble we’ve had (and wars we’ve fought) with Pakistan occurred when the Congress was in power.

It’s kind of like how many Democrats now seem to have fond memories of the Bush 2 cohort (and it being reciprocated, with Darth Vader aka Dick Cheney endorsing Kamala Harris for the Presidency.)

Kabir
Kabir
28 days ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

I don’t need to defend anything that Quaid-e-Azam said about the Congress. Obviously, it was his main political opponent at the time and the contest for power was bitter. His argument was basically that it was a party that represented Hindu interests. He had to argue that if he was going to claim that he was the “sole spokesman” of Muslims.

That said, post-Partition the Congress argued for an India that belonged to all its citizens. I find that vision preferable to one that seeks to turn India into a Hindu Rashtra. Congress also responded much more maturely to terrorism. Dr. Manmohan Singh didn’t choose to go to war after 26/11.

It’s ultimately up to Indians to choose their own leaders. But know that the more anti-minority and Hindu nationalist your leaders are, the more support there will be for the Two Nation Theory in Pakistan.

Pandit Brown
Pandit Brown
27 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

I donโ€™t need to defend anything that Quaid-e-Azam said about the Congress.

And you shouldn’t even try. One can’t defend the indefensible. Though I’ll try, just a bit. Jinnah was a lawyer and knew how to make a case and win over a jury. By harping on Hindu-Muslim differences and beating it into everyone’s head that the Congress was a Hindu party, he made Pakistan happen. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a leader as smart as him emerges in Baluchistan, that province may also achieve (real) independence. Any kind of difference can be overcome if elites are invested in unity, whereas even minor differences can lead to breakups if that’s what smart elites desire.

Congress also responded much more maturely to terrorism.

Unlike the Bhakts, I don’t blame the Congress for their handling of the situations they encountered under their rule. Their limitations of action were the result of India’s weaknesses (as a state and as a military power). In Indian popular perception (one can argue whether how accurate or delusional this is), India is not that weak any more (Modi and his cohort have convinced the public of this). In any case, “mature” is not the word I’d use for how Manmohan’s government reacted to 26/11. Realistic, or biding time, are more accurate.

Also, it’s not simply “terrorism” if there’s a state and a government that actively aids and abets those terrorists. It’s then an act of war. So as far as the Indian public is concerned, the Pakistani government declared war on India a long time ago, and that war continues, albeit at a low key most of the time.

Kabir
Kabir
27 days ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

What Quaid-e-Azam said about Congress has to be interpreted as part of the political context of that time. That’s why I said I don’t feel the need to defend it. Historians can judge those events better than I can.

Dr. Manmohan Singh presented Pakistan with evidence. International pressure was put on the country. Pakistan did take some action as even former Indian diplomats like Raghavan sahab have admitted.

“Act of War” is subjective. As far as Pakistan is concerned, turning off our water is an “act of war”. Modi’s new doctrine is only going to lead to more military confrontations, with both sides using newer and better weapons next time.

xperia2015
xperia2015
1 month ago

I wonder how it works with other people who have completely adopted foreign cultures. Philippines comes to mind, the pre-colonial culture was animistic with abstract concepts using Sanskrit as the go-to. This has been wholly replaced with Christianity ( the Spanish seem to have been far harsher about eradicating original cultures). It is impossible for them to ever really de-colonize.

Followers of Islam in both India + Pak were historically far more integrated with the native cultures of the land, even today Keralite Muslims very much celebrate Onam. While the British used religion as a wedge driving divisions culminating in partition, the divisions hardened further with Saudi wealth and the building of mosques and installation of hardline Wahhabi preachers across India (I imagine the same happened in Pak).
The last decade or two, with India’s rise, the desperation for this influx of cash and hardlining has decreased. The Saudis too have changed course and are liberalizing. Trump’s visit to UAE had women flipping their hair in a bizarre emirati dance.
The last bastion of hardline Islam will be Afghanistan and Pakistan it seems. Still, unlike the Philippines Pakistanis will have the ancestral living culture next door should they have the desire to respect it again.

A Doval
A Doval
1 month ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Kanglus are close to it as well and their economy has tanked. Let’s hope they come to their senses in a few years.

Kabir
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  xperia2015

I think you should avoid generalizing about Pakistan given that it seems you have very little understanding of the country. Have you seen a single Pakistani TV drama? Listened to a single episode of Coke Studio?

Certainly there is “hardline Islam” in Pakistan. General Zia certainly did a number on the country. Yet, we were also the first Muslim country to have a female Prime Minister. Maryam Nawaz Sharif is currently the Chief Minister of Punjab (yes, it’s because she is her father’s daughter but she is still a powerful woman). The Taliban would never accept a female leader.

Pakistanis are very fond of Bollywood etc. However, the recent animosity with India has turned many people away from all things Indian–including the entertainment industry.

xperia2015
xperia2015
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

What was the generalization/s that you think I have got wrong? Pakistan being the last bastion of hardline Islam doesn’t imply that it is universally hardline.
Do you believe Coke studio or your TV dramas (I would never watch an Indian TV soap let alone a Pakistani one) are a true reflection of the country or are just the liberal parts you would like to advertise?

Bollywood isn’t India at all, it’s a Punjabi/Bombay hybrid meta culture. Indian TV news isn’t us either, everyone universally finds it horrible, I find it bizarre where they get their ratings from.

The indian govt is, (yes I know you don’t like modi) but by definition it is very representative.
And while Muslim representation is lower due to first past the post systems, there are vocal Muslim leaders like Owaisi.

Do you find that Pakistan has grown more liberal or more hardline these past 20 years, the middle east is clearly moving hard in one direction.

Kabir
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  xperia2015

You keep referring to “hardline Islam” and clubbing Pakistan with Afghanistan (by which I presume you mean the Taliban). This is a generalization that just a little bit of familiarity with Pakistan’s culture or media would prove extremely foolish.

As I mentioned, Benazir Bhutto was Prime Minister twice. Maryam Nawaz is CM of the most important province and if the Sharif family play their cards right and remain on the right side of the Army she may well become PM of Pakistan at some point in the future. The Taliban would never tolerate a female leader. “Hardline Islam” would demand that women remain in the home, not in the National Assembly or the Senate.

Pakistan is of course a conservative country. Most people are believing and practicing Muslims who take Islam very seriously (or at least profess to do so in the public sphere). But certainly it’s less conservative than in General Zia’s time. One visit to the posh parts of Lahore or Karachi would show you people acting like they are in New York or London.

A Doval
A Doval
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

The posh parts of Lahore and Karachi are minuscule as is “muh Pakistani dramas and coke studio”. And its not even close to NY or London.

The real Pakistan is the salwar wearing 70cc bike riding men you see in videos out of Pakistan (women are nowhere to be seen). One look at the Pakistan cricket team and you know where they are at.

Despite your claims of being “refined/civilized” the gap between Afghanistan and Pakistan is closer than the gap between Pakistan and India.

UN HDI report 2025

Ind – 0.685
Pak – 0.544
Afg – 0.496

Pak is also lower than many sub-saharan African countries like Rwanda, Uganda etc.

Now, don’t claim that “HDI” is a Hindutva-Zionist kaanspiracy.

phyecho1
phyecho1
1 month ago

I wish you well, so heed my warning to you. take it well. Clearly you are engaged in cognitive dissonance, probably because you talk to people of such backgrounds more often, perhaps know them, so your cognitive dissonance is adaptation to survive. Dont indulge these kinds of questions, as much , or perhaps you need to reinforce these views to yourself to make things easier on your self. What ever, be careful; Because some day truth might become so clear that you just cant fool yourself anymore and might blurt out things accidentally or otherwise, that might bring trouble to your life. If so, this isnt a battle for you, it is for others. sit this one out. I dont know your situation and might be impertinent to suggest this. But the delusion makes me worry.

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DaThang
DaThang
21 days ago

>It suspiciously reminds me of an ideological-settler further to the West that also strangles its indigenous identity.

Turkey?

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