On immigration, innovation and the American conundrum

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This is an attempt to understand why the United States began its descent into a mediocracy from a meritocracy. This article was inspired by a series of conversations over a period of time between my husband and me based on collective intergenerational experiences across a cross-section of people. I would also like to just say that this is in no way an attempt to undermine the success of immigrants, but more of an academic exercise to understand the joint impact of corporate greed and immigration patterns on the state of innovation in the US.

On the principle of collegiality and individual contribution to society at large

The principle on which the US was founded is this: The individual citizen is the basic building block of the country, and the quality of the individual dictates the future of the country (Teddy Roosevelt, Citizenship in a Republic, Sorbonne, France, 1910). The average citizen must be a good citizen for the republic to succeed. Therefore, every effort was made to ensure that a citizen could fulfill oneโ€™s full potential. This freedom to pursue oneโ€™s dreams was naturally predicated by the foundation of a relatively stable society where the basic necessities of life were well taken care of. While this respect for the individual citizen was of paramount importance, the same was also counter-balanced by the Protestant Christian principle of collegiality, which ensured that while individual citizens worked towards a better life, they also by and large pursued activities that could ensure the larger good of their society as well.

While the first wave of immigrants all came from western societies that shared similar principles, the latest wave of immigrants have come from countries where the individual citizen is almost incidental and the quality of the rulers is paramount. Extreme examples of such countries are Singapore and China. India too belongs to such a type of a governmental system, where ultimately only the top few matter, to steer the country down the right path. These new immigrants naturally do not relate to the original social contract that formed the basis of the United States.

Capitalism and the destruction of the family unit

The demands that American capitalism places on the individual family is untenable and has led to its destruction. For several decades now, the pressure on both members of the family to earn and make ends meet has only been increasing. Today, everything from owning a home to getting an education to decent healthcare access has all become out of reach for the common American. For example, take education: Prof Scott Galloway in one of his podcasts talked about how the University selection process used to be based on taking an average kid and helping the kid achieve their potential. This selection system has now been replaced by a rejection system where if you do not check all the boxes, there is no chance of entering the Ivies or even the public Ivies now. These universities have also become elite watering holes with endowments from donors dictating their selection policies. As David Brooks has repeatedly stated, there is now a well-entrenched American caste system that has excluded large swathes of Americans.

This is the second major factor, along with the current immigration pattern. For example, as the more subjective assessments for student selection were gradually replaced by the more standardized testing instruments in part due to larger student applications over the last few decades, the screening system gradually became heavily skewed in favor of students from Asian countries, who were well suited to crack this system. The definition of success and failure for these students is different. For most Asians, failure is seen as taboo and one that elicits shame both at a personal as well as a familial and societal level. It is therefore not an option to fail, therefore the Tiger Mom phenomenon. Contrast this with the American ethos that overwhelmingly states that the true credit belongs to the (wo)man in the arena, who is trying. Even in the extreme possibility of failure, those who tried are seen as superior to those who do not try at all, for fear of failure. Hence, there is a Pichai and a Nadella but no desi Gates or Jobs or Brin equivalents yet.

The final factor: Greed

American society has become hyper-individualistic and personal gain is sought at the expense of society itself. Companies in the US have been giving away their family silver for a few petty gains. American intellectual property has been steadily compromised, and American manufacturing has been completely hollowed out. Across American companies, shareholder profit is prioritized above all else. There is absolutely no appetite for innovation today as the timelines for ROI are getting shorter and shorter. The domino effect that this has unleashed is there for all to see. Companies such as GE and Boeing are shells of their former selves. They do not even have the infrastructure to manufacture iPhones in the US. Assuming they did, an iPhone would cost in the range of 3-3.5K USD.

In summary, the respect and freedom for the individual to pursue their dreams and the tolerance for failure is what forms the cornerstone of American innovation and Entrepreneurship. This has been steadily eroded by corporate greed and the group think and fear of failure culture espoused by the latest wave of immigrants. In my opinion, these trends are irreversible.

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xperia2015
7 days ago

Great article but I disagree about all the negativity around the US Economy.
They have pretty much outpaced the western world for the last 20 years, breaking away from Europe and UK in terms of steady growth. Economically the US and Canada were on par (per capita wise) about 15 years ago, now Canada lags far behind.

American companies dominate the tech sector, funding for innovation is the easiest to get in the US. There has been no serious competitor to silicon valley in terms of venture capital, talent concentration and ability to fund innovation. China comes close, but only through concentrated efforts by the state and shutting out all external competition.

The massive gains in the American stock market are mostly 7 companies GOOG,MSFT,AAPL,NVDA,META,TSLA,AMZN, none of these (except MSFT) were meaningful 25 years ago, they are all products of exceptional American innovation and in free markets their dominance is unchallenged. The next rung of life/work changing tech such as ChatGPT, Airbnb, Uber, Salesforce, Zoom, Twitter, Crypto are all American run and dominating.

Social phenomenon aside, which we can debate at length, their economy far outpaces their closest compatriots, and has largely been lead by innovation. Even Trump is unable to shatter the confidence in the market despite the incredible degrees of uncertainty and chaos he has brought to governance.

Distribution of wealth, debt, immigration, DEI, societal fracture, hollowing of manufacturing are all serious issues, but I feel both the American economy and their innovation funding is unchallenged as of now. No one else comes close either.

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Nivedita
Nivedita
7 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Thanks! You raise very valid points vis-a-vis the economy. And totally spot on regarding the funding for innovation. That is also an outcome of the risk appetite of Americans. Doesn’t exist in India. All the new age unicorns are largely software based though. Minimal investment but big ROI’s.

Nothing quite like next gen jet engines, cryogenics, MRI or something more hard tech types on the horizon. I think both are required to leap frog into the next league.

The US is a mature economy and will not see growth similar to India or any other growing economy. They have the advantage for a decade at most I think. My bet on next generation tech is on India.

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X.T.M
Admin
7 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Excellent article btw – gave much food for thought.

I do think we are in a stage of late Empire.

Nivedita
Nivedita
7 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Thank you!

X.T.M
Admin
7 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

this comment also went to spam; very odd. I don’t know what’s happening with your user id.. It seems perfectly fine but somehow still going to spam.

xperia2015
7 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Quantum computing (google,ibm,msft) , Fusion reactor (Commonwealth/Helion), AI(google, msft, OpenAI), drone war (Anduril), boston dynamics robots, flying taxis (Joby/Archer), Cyber war/security (Palantir)

These are all near future tech and the American companies are industry leading, just off the top of my head.

Mature or not, the US has a very young ecosystem, companies start and die with a great degree of churn, Yahoo and AOL are no longer standalone, Blackberry(though Canadian) is dead, all rapid growth and termination.

None of this signals late stage empire. The Romans lasted some 600 years, Ottomans some 500, British say 250, the Americans have only been running stuff for a 100, even the Mongols lasted longer on very little tech advantage. I think it is too early to call the end, plenty of easy course correction possible.

X.T.M
Admin
7 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

I think we are at the end of the Roman Republic and start of the Empire. Even Decline & Decay can take centuries. Iโ€™d course this of the rise of the British Empire from the Napoleonic wars (early 19th century); worth presuming there is some sort of Anglo-American nexus

sbarrkum
6 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

I think you are not factoring US debt of 30+ Trillion.

Have you any idea if it can be paid down.
As interest on debt keeps increasing (and debt) raising debt becomes more expensive.
The Fed cannot control interest rates, that is determined by Yield at auction of Debt Instruments (Treasuries etc)
If you dont know how that works I will explain.

X.T.M
Admin
6 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

I think the rise of China complicates everything – the West has wasted 30 years of unipolarity tbh

sbarrkum
6 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

A lesser known example

While the US is fighting among themselved and waging/funding war elsewhere

While the US is fighting among themselved and waging/funding war elsewhere

With 56 satellites in orbit, Chinaโ€™s BeiDou is now nearly twice the size of GPS. It also has over ten times as many monitoring stations, many of which are in developing nations.

From the U.S. standpoint, Chinaโ€™s so-called Space Silk Road, or space information corridor, poses significant risks. The primary concern is that in supplanting GPSโ€™s position as the dominant global satnav service

https://spacenews.com/america-losing-gps-dominance-china-beidou-satnav/ 

sbarrkum
6 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

xperia

Many of these US companies dont bring to the US its revenue and profits. So the US loses out on taxes and
revenue.

From wiki
In 2016, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, estimates $2.6 trillion held offshore and two-thirds of that is held by 30 U.S. companies, with Apple, Pfizer, and Microsoft being the top three (see chart). Foreign profits were up 93% from 2008 to 2013.

In Sri Lanka too we have a similar problem. There is USD 53 billion held offshore illegally. Enough and plus to pay off our defaulted debt.

See this search link for more numbers

https://www.google.com/search?q=us+companies+revenues+parked+offshore

X.T.M
Admin
6 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Also the fact that the corporates exceed the state?

Honey Singh
Honey Singh
6 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

India still 15-20 years away (considering similar trajectories with the Chinese).

The Chinese are only getting started now.

India like China of the late 2000s is very much in consolidation mode – increase education, health, infrastructure blah blah blah.

New age unicorns are a step up from the outsourcing boom of the 90s-2000s. Truly global innovative tech around should start popping up in the 2030s.

p.S.: Not taking into account military/space tech where India is one of the only few countries (mostly the great powers) in certain fields.

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Honey Singh
Honey Singh
6 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

I think as a country becomes richer it just moves up the value chain.

Difference with India (and China and the USA) is just one of scale due to population.

Lots of smaller European countries as well as Japan/Korea/Taiwan have innovative ability on par with USA but USA simply wins out cause of its massive scale.

As far as military/space power goes that kind of is dependent on GDP compared to general innovation which is more dependent on HDI/GDP pci.

xperia2015
6 days ago
Reply to  Honey Singh

Ability to attract capital is also key, govt funding tends to be terrible at this.
Typically govts are terrified of fraud and therefore create innumerable barriers to entry and access. Perversely someone actually starting a company will find it impossible to access these funds and only someone fully intent on fraud has the patience to navigate the system and access the funds.
This is why startup ecosystems completely fail in Europe and Japan, all govt driven inanity, creating reams of paperwork for no tangible result. Tons of EU programs kickstarting nothing.
I’m quite happy for the Indian govt to just concentrate on infrastructure and leave the entrepreneurs to jugaad their funding.
The scale is big enough for someone to put the money in.

No idea why China works, I’m sure someone will take great pains to explain it to me, but there isn’t an easy answer.

Military tech is the one place where the govt funding does function at some level, the repeated indoctrination and lives at risk factor seems to do the trick, reducing corruption, working towards a common cause and keeping bad actors to a minimum.

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X.T.M
Admin
7 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

this is true – I remember pre-crash (’08) visiting the USA from the UK felt like going to a very cheap country; food wise etc.

now with the CCY & food prices; the USA is far more expensive than the Uk/Europe

sbarrkum
7 days ago

Nice article
Key point that has been missed
How do you know if you are being controlled. If you cant criticize an entity then it has power over your and controls you,
The elephant in the room which is rarely discussed.

foundation of a relatively stable society where the basic necessities of life were well taken care of

The US was never really stable except for a segment of the population.
The biggest issue being the discrimination of the African Americans. African Americans were fully enfranchised in practice throughout the United States by the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Just imagine my parents would not have had a vote till my father was 48 (born 1917)
Much much worse as the opportunities opened for the African American, the flood gates of Asian Immigration opened up. They were better educated and had better self confidence and started up taking all the upper middle jobs and the businesses. The African Americans hate the Asians and that rift has not gone away.

Mercantilist USA
Post WW2 the US was the only real manufacturing power. In addition many international rules were rules were implemented which favored US trade. eg GATT, WTO. Now that those rules no longer favor American Trade they are being dismantled and accelerated by Trump.
Then there were the US Govt funded entities to develop Science and Tech. The most well known being NASA and the National Labs. The most famous of the National Labs being Palo Alto Xerox Research Labs funded by US Govt entities which created new technologies in advanced physics, materials science, and computer science applications.

The Stock Market
The Stock Market is heavily gamed and propped up. During the 2008 crash there was a Conspiracy Theory that claimed the stock market was being propped up by the Plunge Protection Team. Turns out to be true. It is The President’s Working Group on Financial Markets.
To claim GOOG,AMZN (or any other) are successful, one should look at its Profit and Loss and Balance Sheet. The key phrase being “in free markets their dominance is unchallenged”. Increasingly markets are no longer free.

Economic Growth in the US
US Debt growth rate has kept pace with GDP growth rate. Worse, how much of that GDP growth can be used to pay of the debt. 

2015 US Debt USD18.1 trillion
2024 US Debt USD35.46 trillion
So change of 17.36 Trillion over 9 years/
Thats a 1.92  growth rate/year in Debt
US average GDP growth rate from 2015 to 2024 is approximately 2.00%

(There is an issue with the above, lets see if it can be spotted)

So for the moment lets assume Debt and GDP growth is compatible. Then net growth is only 0.1 Trillion over the last 9 year.

In reality, GDP does not equal Debt. Debt is hard cash and GDP has many intangibles. So US real growth is negative.

X.T.M
Admin
7 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

the themes of your two pieces coincide a touch.

Nivedita
Nivedita
7 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

They do. He does raise very relevant points regarding the social structure and the beneficiaries. I would also agree with the point on the so-called success of Amazon and similar e-commerce entities. Ultimately for the common man it’s the PPP (purchasing power parity) that matters not just academic terms like GDP, Debt etc.

X.T.M
Admin
7 days ago

Linking to sbarrkum’s piece since they seem be thematically related: https://www.brownpundits.com/2025/06/08/us-economics-and-theory-of-collapse/#respond

I do enjoy these pieces very much since I am particularly drawn to Empire

brown
brown
6 days ago

if the fresh inputs from india is reduced ( because of immigration laws and raising prosperity back home), how long can ‘indians in u s a’ remain an effective group? i feel that they will dissolve in next 20 years.

Honey Singh
Honey Singh
5 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Even Indians from India will become “white” as they get richer.

sbarrkum
5 days ago
Reply to  Honey Singh

Not all Indians are Light Skinned North Indian or Light skinned North East

Many in the South are extremely dark.
Mix with white, becomes light brown.

sbarrkum
1 day ago
Reply to  Nivedita

One hypothesis is that homogenization brings in monolingualism among other things, which again is not ideal from the holistic development of individuals and the population at large.

Individualism vs Collective Development
You know the two big examples

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Nivedita
Nivedita
4 days ago

Tragic news coming out of India. A Boeing dreamliner carrying 242 passengers from Ahmedabad to London crashed immediately after take off. Boeing in recent times has been accused of putting profit before safety as with the 737 crashes. This tragedy is only the latest one…

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/air-india-plane-crash-year-before-ahmedabad-plane-crash-whistleblowers-boeing-787-dreamliner-flaw-claim-8652086?pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

X.T.M
Admin
4 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Absolutely tragic

phyecho1
phyecho1
3 days ago

China replaced usa by nature article in 20 sectors, it has 7 of 10 top universities.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/china-is-surging-ahead-in-scientific-research-physics-education-35ecb16e . India makes its appearance at 175th place.

sbarrkum
3 days ago
Reply to  phyecho1

Nature had a similar article a couple of years back as well.
From memory I think China’s ranking has improved since then

The publication is by Nature the premier Science journal.
Has a review every year

Below for 2020. Change link year for other years

https://www.nature.com/nature-index/research-leaders/2020

phyecho1
phyecho1
3 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

clear victory for china. Without AI, this would have become china century. West is more desperate for AI than china I believe. India is well on its way to be humiliated by china soon. no meritocracy, no hope.

phyecho1
phyecho1
1 day ago
Reply to  Nivedita

In multiple sectors, and the reality matches the data, they are leaders in electric vehicles and entire technology based on rare earth materials. Also leaders in battery as well. AI models in china are among the best right now. Pioneers in thorium based salt molten reactors, they built prototype for that. In all these areas, west is lagging china.Reality matches the data.china has 3 times the population of usa, has an average iq abt 105, invested in teritiary education. The results are showing. You dont have evidence to back your idea.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 day ago
Reply to  phyecho1

My comment was specifically regarding publications (with the caveat that though it could be generalized, I have actually seen it happen in my field). Which was the initial point you were making?

As far as the successful implementation of technology to practical, usable applications that you’re talking about now; everyone knows how the American intellectual property and know-how was stolen and by whom (over decades). But sure, you’re free to come to your own conclusions. I stand by my assertion that the Chinese, by and large do not display originality of thought. The communists destroyed that a long time ago.

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phyecho1
phyecho1
1 day ago
Reply to  Nivedita

There is no successful implementation of technology in material sciences without r&d.

xperia2015
xperia2015
1 day ago
Reply to  Nivedita

In the early 2000s China signed a deal with Kawasaki to build multiple bullet train lines with some tech transfer. It was a huge deal and Kawasaki set to work in earnest. The moment a line was finished and the Chinese were confident that it could be reverse engineered they cancelled the remaining contract and spent the next 20 years building out high speed rail.

https://fortune.com/2013/04/15/did-china-steal-japans-high-speed-train/

People only really focus on the ends and not the means.
China’s obscene theft of IP and complete domestic protectionism has done very little to dent their reputation in the eyes of their admirers.

You just have to shrug and not engage.

Nivedita
Nivedita
20 hours ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Yes, agree.

I had read about the high speed train theft sometime back. And yet, we had the US just giving all their know how and the IP to the Chinese for decades!!

Sometimes I wonder how could they have been so shortsighted and just plain stupid (for lack of a better word) ?!

X.T.M
Admin
20 hours ago
Reply to  Nivedita

fascinating.. I had no idea..

Brown
Brown
1 day ago

on a different note, how can one explain the listless march of the soldiers today. very sad indeed.

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