Israel, India, and the Rise of Defensive Asymmetry

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A Pause in the Offensive:

Without getting into the ideological or emotional dimensions of current conflicts, one point stands out: both Israel and India seem quietly surprised by the defensive resilience of their adversaries.

Whether it’s Iran-Israel, India-Pakistan, or even Russia-Ukraine, a pattern is emerging: offensive campaigns that assumed rapid success are stalling against increasingly capable—and surprisingly tenacious—defensive postures.

In classic military doctrine, a successful offense requires a 3:1 superiority. That logic appears to be inverting. What we may be witnessing is a shift in the scientific and technological balance—not just in weaponry, but in surveillance, cyber, and even psychological endurance as evidenced by the Iranians on national television in this clip, IMG_0631.

Ukraine was never the center

The Russia–Ukraine war was always cast in the West as the defining global struggle—but for many outside the transatlantic echo chamber, it never quite felt central. Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia are historically and culturally entangled. The Western response externalized what was, to many, a deeply internal rupture. Gas prices, sanctions, and narratives took over. But the war itself became one of attrition, not overthrow.

Russia has endured. And it is—slowly, methodically—winning its war of time.

Israel and India face a different kind of resistance

For Israel, the current confrontation with Iran (and the broader axis involving Hezbollah, Syria, and Yemen) is not just about Gaza or hostages. The state is internally divided—Netanyahu’s support is questionable, and the Israeli public seems weary after months of war and years of constitutional crisis. The hostage crisis, layered on top of judicial unrest, only deepens the uncertainty.

Meanwhile, Iran—despite its internal discontent—has no domestic public opposition to nuclear ambition (I will write on the Pahlavi restoration soon enough). Its deterrent logic is internalized.

For India, the pattern is familiar. Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent continues to impose strategic limits. And while India may be more stable and confident on paper, it still faces an adversary that hasn’t collapsed under pressure—militarily, diplomatically, or economically.

A hegemon out of sync

All this takes place in the shadow of a global hegemon—the United States—that increasingly appears out of sequence with events, reactive rather than anticipatory. The Trump-era restraint on attacking Iran remains a puzzle. What is clear is that regional conflicts now outpace global strategies.

The big shift

What’s emerging is a new defensive asymmetry:

•Not just missile shields, but information shields.

•Not just cyber defense, but narrative resilience.

•Not just terrain, but legitimacy.

Wars are being fought to a draw, not because attackers are weak, but because defenders have adapted. And that may be the real shift.

Addendum: Eyes on China (& India’s Balancing Act)

While these entanglements stretch across the Middle East and South Asia, the strategic constant for me remains China and Taiwan. In every proxy war—Ukraine, Gaza, even the Indian subcontinent—Beijing is watching. Carefully. Patiently.

There is a growing sense of imperial overreach. The West, long the steward of the so-called “rules-based international order,” now finds itself stretched thin—reactive, inconsistent, and no longer credibly standing by the very system it once championed. The Global South is noticing. The rhetoric of hypocrisy is no longer confined to editorial pages; it’s becoming geopolitical currency.

India, in particular, faces a complex challenge. It maintains deep economic ties with Iran and simultaneously enjoys robust military cooperation with Israel. With tensions escalating, it finds itself strategically entangled. Recent diplomatic signals—such as India’s statement at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization—hint at a quiet recalibration. But with two of its key partners now in open conflict, New Delhi may soon find that strategic ambiguity is no longer sustainable.

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xperia2015
xperia2015
1 month ago

3 different conflicts with very different aims, methods and results. When you try to curve fit disparate points the graph is an eye of the beholder line with no real correlations.

For India-Pakistan, I think the Indians were quite surprised by their own defence and the Pakistani lack of it, by May 10 they were getting bombed with impunity.

For Iran-Israel, given the penetration of the Mossad and their ability to remove the entire military leadership at first strike I don’t get the impression that the Israelis are surprised by anything.
Ahmadinejad revealed in 2024 that a comprehensive intelligence unit created to counter Israel was compromised by Mossad, stating, "We established a unit to counter Israel, and the person leading it turned out to be a Mossad agent."
The Israelis have had no military degradation so far. Losses have been civilian and mostly civilian infra damage. Hezbollah has declined to enter and the Israelis are limited to contending with missile strikes.
What defensive capability is left on the Iranian side? It doesn’t exist anymore. That clip you attached showed is of a woman flipping from defiance to panic. At this point it just feels like running down the missile stocks and launchers as the clock ticks out to acceptance of a US ‘non-nuclear deal’.

Strategic ambiguity (for once) has worked out spectacularly well for India in the Russia-Ukraine war, given that the Indian govt has always taken a neutral stance they aren’t going to take sides any time soon.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  xperia2015

* May10 Pakistan was getting bombed with impunity.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Excellent comment and one that I’m in complete agreement with. Not surprised that Mossad has infiltrated well into the top echelons. From what I’d heard, there’s been infiltration of cryptic anti-govt individuals right up to the Ayatollah’s inner circle, waiting for an opportune moment to strike.

I think it would be worthwhile for you to expand this comment into a bigger post?

sbarrkum
1 month ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Following multiple rounds of Iranian missile barrages that have proven far more effective than many “experts” anticipated, the Israeli Defense Forces are already running low on defensive Arrow interceptor missiles, making Israel all the more desperate for the United States to join the war Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government initiated on Friday the 13th. Meanwhile, as Iran’s retaliation continues, reports of war-fatigue among Israel’s population are already emerging. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-running-low-missile-interceptors-iran-proves-stronger-foe-expected

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago

I just hope the US does not escalate this any further. They propped up the Islamic regime in Iran in the first place. Like they did the Mujahideen in Afg and despots practically everywhere in the Middle East. Syria and Iraq come to mind. They have no concrete proof of anything against Iran, like they didn’t against Saddam Hussein. Atleast I don’t believe they do; given the impunity with which Israel is pounding Iran.

I can’t bear to imagine the beautiful old city of Tehran (or any others really) being bombed like this. Not to mention the innocent civilians killed.

Here’s an article I found interesting ( Thank you Mr Omar Ali). Yusuf Unjhawala writes well.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/web-only/2025/Jun/15/seismic-miscalculation-why-israels-strikes-could-end-up-pushing-tehran-closer-to-the-n-bomb

Kabir
1 month ago

Some in the Indian establishment seem to want to take a leaf out of Israel’s playbook. For example, Shivshankar Menon spoke to Karan Thapar about “mowing the lawn” with respect to Pakistan. To give India credit though, they are not irrational enough to seriously contemplate assassinating DG ISI or Chief of Army Staff.

I don’t really understand Israel’s endgame. Short of US entry into the war, Israel cannot accomplish regime change. Even if the Supreme Leader is assassinated, wouldn’t the Iranians simply choose a successor? I’m sure there is a succession plan in place.

I’d like to know more about why X.T.M seems to advocate the Pahlavi restoration. Wouldn’t it be better for the Islamic Republic to be replaced by a democratically elected government?

phyecho1
phyecho1
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

kabir always is here to defend islamofascism. The argument endlessly is on war. why not on rights first, if the domestic issues are sorted out. The argument for war atleast will no longer have the reason or excuse. A democratic iran that is not theocratic, gaza without hamas , it would be hard for Israel to make any coherent argument for war. The only reason Israel is getting away with its aggression is because the west thinks its reasons are valid!.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Maybe I misunderstood the reference to Pahlavi restoration.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Need to buy you another drum Kabir, this is the 3rd or 4rth time you’ve mentioned it.

Also, yes, you claim to be a liberal but you just never bother with any of the atrocities carried out by the Pakistani state, the Pakistani populace, the Pakistani Terrorists, the Iranian state, the Iranian proxy groups, the Hamas. All this is just completely ignored.

Instead there is a laser focus on India and any injustice or cherry picked injustice or news report/online trolling that you find and repeated ad nauseam.

Then there is the conflation with Israel, once again, ad nauseam. Don’t you feel hoarse selling this junk all day?

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

India pulled out their students/nationals etc yesterday/today. Everyone is taking Trumps tweets seriously.

Just want to point out that this is the same govt that no one notices when it is saving citizens irrespective of their religion but will not hesitate to point out is perpetually right wing hindutva election focused.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Israels endgame is quite clear, they want the Americans to bunker bust the Fordow (under mountain) centrifuges. Then get the CIA to run their regime change ground game. This is probably what Trumps NSA meeting is about.

Even if they do not achieve this, the Iranians degrade their weapons and offensive capability daily and chew up the headlines.

Meanwhile Israel gets a free hand for a few weeks to run ops in Gaza and see if it can get the hostages and finish off enough of embedded Hamas infrastructure that choking them when they exit is much easier.

Nethanyahu keeps rallying around the flag until he can confidently show victory somewhere.
No one knows if the Iranians really enriched the uranium, the stories and reports could very well be intelligence plants. They seem to have just strategised correctly, that if they attack Iran, Trump will claim that he gave the go ahead not to lose face.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Please point out where I have defended Hamas or the Iranian state. If you don’t have credible evidence you need to apologize for this accusation.

X.T.M’s original post discusses both India and Israel. My comment was in response to that.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

I didn’t say you defend them, I said you ignore them. It is something you avoid. Your need to apologize for reposting the same thing again and again.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

You are not the admin of this site so your opinions don’t really matter all that much.

Cheers.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Just common decency not to keep spamming the same argument. I do enjoy pointing out your hypocrisies though. It’s selfish I know, I’ve learned that it has no effect on you.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Again you are not the admin. If X.T.M wants to redact my comments, that’s his prerogative. Your opinions are really neither here nor there.

Please refrain from addressing me in the future and I will do you the same courtesy.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

You can do me the courtesy of not repeating the same tired nonsense about mowing the lawn. Also, nice job avoiding all those topics with a false accusation and outrage at me, another pattern I might add.
Courtesy is a two way street, expect it when you give it.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Look I get that you don’t like me. But this is not your blog so you will have to tolerate me.

Do you not understand the concept of freedom of speech? I have the right to express my opinions. “Tired nonsense” is subjective.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

“Tired nonsense about moving the lawn”, don’t misquote selectively. When I have taken pains to point out shivshankar menon is not part of the govt and that the Indian govt has taken great pains to elucidate their stand with multi party messaging and you repeat it 4+ times it does get tiring.
All that courtesy, free speech, all those things you very validly expect out of me, I expect the same out of you.
You also expected me to apologize after self editing my words. Don’t you feel in the wrong in the slightest?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Actually no I don’t feel “in the wrong” at all. I expressed an opinion. You are free to ignore it or not. But you are not free to attempt to censor me. If you were running this blog, you could redact my comments or even ban me (Razib was always threatening to ban people). But since this isn’t your blog you will have to deal with it.

I am capable of reading between the lines. “You claim to be a liberal but you just never bother with…” implied that I have defended Hamas etc. Since I have never done that, you are now accusing me of editing your words.

The best thing is for you to refrain from addressing me since you clearly have a personal animus towards me.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

I very clearly said ignore, and you do ignore it. Turning a blind eye is not defence, you are interpreting my words to suit your outrage.

I don’t know you personally, I do find you rife with hypocrisy but well meaning overall. No animus. At no point have I attempted to censor you, this too is an needlessly attributed outrage.

Btw I did a little search in the comments and you have used that phrase “mowing the lawn” 8 times now. I must have missed a few.

Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

xperia and Kabir, can we call a truce now please?

We all have our blind spots 🙂

Last edited 1 month ago by Nivedita
Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Np, going to leave it at that.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Only if it’s initiated by the Iranians themselves; definitely not yet another West propped puppet. I think it might just work here in Iran given how fed up people are of the theocratic regime. It’s become unbearably suffocating for so many for too long; and they do realize that what might come next may be far from ideal, but atleast it won’t be the mullahs (paraphrasing a friend’s words).

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

I don’t know, in most of the Arab spring the mullahs all ended up on top democratically. I suspect that given the Iranians have had 50 years of them they will be less receptive to the idea this time around.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

That’s what my friend said. They’ve had it with the mullahs. Also said that most people think that the regime has bribed Trump to ensure Israel doesn’t touch Khamenei…

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

The CIA is very good at getting an existing movement organised and galvanised, they have after all been doing it for 75 years now. I suspect this is a wet dream for them, the big fish, I cannot imagine them sitting on the sidelines, though they were probably blindsided by the Israelis. It’s all very unpredictable though, will come down to rally around the flag vs an unprepared opposition that needs to be bootstrapped into a revolution in days.

Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

I think the Iranians have seen how the CIA pulled a fast one on them vis-a-vis dethroning the Shah and propping up the Ayatollah. So, I just hope that the CIA doesn’t get to meddle the way they did in 1979. People are in general a lot wiser and cynical especially of the US and the US deep state. The CIA too might just be past its prime 40 plus years down the line. Or maybe it’s just me hoping that the Persians really get their act together beforehand and come out on top.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Given the anti American nature of the Iranian govt and the deep mistrust of the CIA I’m pretty sure that they would have to be very deeply embedded and fully incognito. Also given the deep infiltration of the Mossad I can’t imagine that the CIA was not able to tap into the discontent. What you need for a revolution is first and foremost a bankroll, this is where the CIA excels, with the slush funds.

Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

That is a fair point you make regarding the potential Mossad-CIA overlap even if purely transactional. Is the CIA still replete with funds though? The US has been in a bad way financially for some time now.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

All that Doge cutting was for show. They never touched the largest part of the US budget, defence. Ironically also the reason for American debt problems. The CIA has the moolah, more so than ever since the USAID people got axed and they have had no one to allocate it to.

Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Even scarier. Wonder which nation they’ll mark as the target next…

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Don’t forget how the CIA helped to overthrow Mosaddegh in 1953. This is what brought the Shah back to power.

Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Didn’t know that…The US deep state has always fished in troubled waters; taking over from the Brits…and see the mess they got Iran, Iraq, Syria into…

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

The CIA was on the other side in 1979, Kabir is right, the shah was the CIA prop.

Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

It’s all a game of shadows ultimately.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Oh, absolutely. My point was just to illustrate examples of harmful American meddling.

The Assyrians, the Mesopotamians and the Persians; all civilizations older than time…

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

I didn’t get the Iran-Iraq bit. I don’t think the Iranians will fare all that much better with the Americans in an all out war.

More like America isn’t the America with the appetite to send ground troops anywhere in a hurry again.

Bunker busters only in my best guess.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

I did not mean to say that the US will send ground troops there. They’ve been burnt enough. My point was more on where all they’ve meddled.

That being said, I hope that Trump does not actively launch missiles to target the nuclear facilities that Israel couldn’t reach. That will be a full-fledged disaster.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Why? It is an underground nuclear centrifuge facility, I thought thats what this is all supposed to be about.
What is the further disaster? My understanding is that the uranium is currently not enriched enough for a chain reaction. Besides you need a plutonium core anyway.
The sooner they bomb it the less excuse anyone has for bombing anything else.
The whole war is bogus anyway, the Iranians have been pretty clear that they would have accepted no weapons grade enrichment for no sanctions. But now that Israel has figured out that they can pretty much get away with it, might as well bomb Fordow and take away that fig leaf too.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Optics of the US entering the war. I feel it’s like lighting a match. It can either burn out without a trace or set the world on fire. That’s my instinctive take on it anyway. It can go either way. After all did anyone think that the murder of Archduke Ferdinand would trigger the events that would lead to WWI?

brown
brown
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

if not a regime change, this current regime will be defanged and americans will enter iran, with a promise of removal of sanctions. this regime will loose all legitimacy.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

My limited point was only that some people in the Indian establishment advocate for using Israeli methods with respect to Pakistan e.g. “mowing the lawn”.

It’s a different matter that Pakistan is a nuclear state so these methods are far riskier than they are for Israel.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

You really should avoid bringing in India into each and every conflict scenario. It distracts from the actual conversation even when you’re making a valid point.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Nivedita

The original post discusses both India and Israel. The comment was germane in that context.

Kabir
1 month ago

Trump has now dismissed Tulsi Gabbard’s assessment that Iran was not building a nuclear weapon. He said “I don’t care what she said, I think they were very close to having it”.

Meanwhile, the Israeli defence minister has threatened Ayatollah Khamenei with the fate of Saddam Hussein.

I hope I’m wrong but it feels like the US is preparing to enter this war rather than calling for de-escalation.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Definitely. But it feels like this is Trump making a case for attacking Iran?

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I very much hope and pray not. But with Trump, there are no guarantees; though he’s more bark, less bite.

Nivedita
Nivedita
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/17/politics/israel-iran-nuclear-bomb-us-intelligence-years-away

Despite this if the US can’t rein in Netanyahu or enter the fray themselves, it’s bound to backfire badly. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The latest news is that Trump is considering a US strike on Iran.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

regime collapse?

brown
brown
1 month ago

it was said that the islamic regime gets support from the ‘bazaris’ ( small traders) and the religiously inclined. the common man will be happy to have sanctions lifter and bit of freedom in daily life (especially women). the so called strategic idea that ‘persians’ can access mediterranean( via lebanon) does not interest common man.
the way people are running away from tehran is a slap on the face of the regime. they will certainly welcome a change.
the common iranian is also seeing as to how all the arab states are going along with u s a and have no conflicts.

Kabir
1 month ago

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/17/iranian-people-liberty-prosperity-israel-iran-missiles

This was an interesting op-ed

“The Iranian people were starting to win their battle for liberty and prosperity. Then Israel attacked” by Esfandyar Batmanghelidj

Vivek Iyer
Vivek Iyer
1 month ago

This is silly. Pak Army got what it wanted- viz. increase in Defence spending despite IMF imposed austerity. Munir has outflanked Imran. India doesn’t care. If Munir takes power, then a deal can be done. There is no point talking to the Sharifs otherwise Army will stage a big terror incident. India needs to reform defence procurement and come up with its own fifth and sixth generation fighters. Good for Ambanis. Bad for Babus. Khameni gains from what is happening just as Ikhwan gained from Gaza. The threat to the Iranian regime is from its own middleclass which is now a rapidly declining portion of the economy. To be frank, I have sympathy with the Iranian peasantry/lumpenproletariat because they were mistreated by the ‘cultured’ middle class. A friend of mine has a PhD in Chem.Eng. from UK but is treated like shit by his in-laws. This is worse than Indian caste system because au fond we all eat with our hands and wear dhoti. Banias or Brahmins don’t pretend they are actually French aristocrats. Israel is a different story. Netanyahu will go to jail sooner or later if he has taken money or fiddled his expenses. That won’t happen in India to any politician because there will be ‘tareek pe tareek’ judicial delay. But if BJP thinks Modi is looking senile, they will dump him in a heartbeat. But high castes may dump BJP first. What remains to be seen if China will create a formal Eurasian powerblock before taking Taiwan. Probably not. The Taiwanese will see reason. Even otherwise, the thing will happen one way or another.

TTCUSM
TTCUSM
1 month ago

Why India needs Islam:

Since when, in the history of humanity, has a country been invaded by a place with which it shares no common border and had little if any trade with?

Astagfirullah!

xperia2015
xperia2015
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

🙂
India needs Islam because it is a unifying antagonistic force for the bjp?
Israel cannot invade because they don’t share a border or trade?
Allah forgive us because we can’t understand what is being said?
It’s like solving a crossword.

Btw history is replete with such invasions.

Last edited 1 month ago by Indosaurus
Kabir
1 month ago

Here’s a (liberal) Israeli perspective:

“The Endgame of the Iran attacks Isn’t Clear, Even in Jerusalem”
by Bernard Avishai

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/06/17/israel-iran-letter-from-jerusalem-00408540

Nivedita
Nivedita
29 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Clearly the Israelis did not look before they leapt. And to add to this misery, the US President is an unhinged loon. What is it about the stars that there are so many conflicts occurring like this?!

Nivedita
Nivedita
29 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

How interesting! We were watching this exact video this morning! 🙂 He’s spot on in his assessment I think…

Nivedita
Nivedita
29 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes, keeping fingers crossed. I mean, what are the odds of having Trump and Netanyahu at the helm of their respective countries at this time? Neither are rational players and therein lies the danger…

phyecho1
phyecho1
1 month ago

No one is talking about the horrific grooming gangs by pakistani muslims in UK.

sbarrkum
1 month ago

But Iran is the much bigger country. It has more than ten times the people than Israel. Its area is 1.5 million square kilometer versus Israel’s 21,000 square kilometer. Iran is mostly self sufficient. It has a widely dispersed industry and a well trained work force which can be switched from civil to military production. Israel depends on imports which can be interrupted. Its industry is small and highly concentrated in a few areas.

There is no doubt that Iran would win in a (long) war of attrition.
That is why Israel needs the U.S. to jump in.

I still have doubt that Trump, despite his rhetoric, is willing to do so. The risk is high and the outcome uncertain.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2025/06/tic-toc-thread-on-the-war-on-iran-4.html#more

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