How did we end up here…

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Why does the liberal West seem to have this compact with Islam? On the face of it, the two philosophies cannot be more diametrically opposite. One is about tolerance and respecting other people’s beliefs, whereas Islam keeps trending towards rigidity, intolerance, and total submission.

Conversely, Hinduism, by nature an open, tolerant umbrella religion subject to constant revision and modernization, has ended up finding common cause with the conservative and traditionalist movements in the West.

The Liberal–Islamic compact…

Firstly, it was not unforeseen. Hitchens very famously warned against this, bitterly and at length. His last book* was God Is Not Great, in direct opposition to Allahu Akbar.
By its very nature, the liberal movement constantly morphs into sympathizing with the most antagonized part of society, that which is targeted by law enforcement the most.
In the ’40s, ’50s, and ’60s it was the working classes, until the brutality of the communist regimes of Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin destroyed any hope of socialism becoming established in the West.
Liberalism then shifted to civil rights in the ’60s and ’70s. Here, there is meaningful change, and universal rights and anti-discrimination laws become widespread and enforced. Gay rights come next. Fast forward to the ’00s and ’10s and the crackdown against Islam unleashed by 9-11 etc: suddenly Muslims are oppressed by law enforcement, and the liberals find an erosion of the civil rights fought for so vigorously in the past decades. The Muslims resenting government surveillance and profiling suddenly find allies in the liberal movements. Helpful terms like “Islamophobia” are coined.


Many liberal thinkers (Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris) recognize the danger, the incompatibility of Islam with liberalism, and warn against it. But things go from bad to worse.
The U.S. invades Iraq and Afghanistan and follows it up with interventions in Libya and Syria, creating this perfect storm of liberal guilt combined with a refugee crisis. Suddenly, the West is flooded with traditional Muslim men being welcomed by extremely naïve, well-meaning feminist liberals.
I remember reading about this German lady who was so against the wars that she immediately signed up to volunteer to help the new immigrants. A couple of weeks into the job, she was so appalled at the behaviour of the men coming in that she started speaking out against it (there are now multiple studies on this—feel free to go down that rabbit hole).
Perversely, the most liberal sections of society—the press, social workers, academia—start positive discrimination towards hiring Muslims and themselves become intolerant to any form of criticism of Islam.

There is about a decade-plus between 2002–2014 where this liberal–Islamist compact is established firmly (Patriot Act gives the FBI/NSA powers to overreach, wars, etc.) and goes unchallenged and unchecked. The police in the UK are so wary of being accused of Islamophobia that they deliberately ignore or downplay the child grooming scandal. Guantanamo is a rallying point against American state-enabled torture against Muslims. French secular laws prohibiting the burqa and hijab in public spaces are challenged as anti personal choice.

Meanwhile in India…

Modi rises to power in this very time frame. He also is the perfect foil to the liberal press.

Faced with the Godhra horror, Modi has a different approach. The rumour at the time was that the state would go slow for 72 hours; personally I believe this to be true. Given the mob nature of the Godhra burning, identifying the culprits and bringing them to justice was completely beyond the state’s powers at the time—mob atrocity faced mob justice. It is beyond the scope of this write-up to unpack the morality/dharma of these actions, so let’s stick with the effects.
The press has a field day. Modi is given various epithets (“butcher,” “fascist”), which he can never live down; he becomes the embodiment of Islamophobia. Helpfully, the rise of the internet in India enables him to bypass the press and concentrate on a carefully curated development-plus-nationalist Hindu image.
With a populace frustrated with the (scandal-ridden) Congress policy of Islamic appeasement (Shah Bano case, Taj Attack, etc.) and an antagonistic press disregarding poor governance to combat a greater ‘evil’ i.e Modi, his rise is inevitable.
The Western media—with rising proportions of Muslims in their ranks and the liberal compact firmly in place—now ratchet up the editorials railing against Modi, the BJP, RSS, Hindutva; every event in India gets a saffron filter. Obama, facing the heat of his indiscriminate drone bombings in Afghanistan and the open sore of Guantanamo, burnishes his liberal credentials by publicly piling onto this liberal tirade against Modi.

Western backlash, death of media credibility, and rise of the right, MAGA…

Eight years of Obama and onwards, the liberal movement moves on to new frontiers—fighting new battles over conquered ground: cancel culture, LGBTQ rights, pronouns, critical race theory.
Running out of underdogs, they turn on their own. Al Franken is forced to resign; left-wing white male professors are forced out in droves; Aziz Ansari takes a hit. Editorials cheer them on, with occasional ignored protests by the intellectuals abhorring this turn. In some areas, children identifying as trans reach double-digit proportions, as teenagers craving attention are instantly celebrated and noticed for “coming out.”
Riding down that golden escalator is the man who taps into the conservative angst and frustration to lead the backlash. He is hated by the press but bypasses it—not with careful curation like Modi, but with active hostility, tapping into the anti-woke fervour and denying their credibility. Petty, mercurial, but also brash and brazen, with his American optimism and New York upbringing, he demolishes the Republican primaries and takes the presidency. COVID and poor governance in a crisis cost him one election, but the revulsion to the liberal advance brings him back with a greater majority.
Meanwhile in Europe the massive influx of semi orthodox, non liberally educated muslims spawns a multitude of right wing nationalist movements.

The Hindu diaspora…

Unlike the Muslim diaspora, Hindus don’t have countries at war with the West. The religion is more cultural, and the sense of community is centred around shared languages, media, and food, faith is very optional.
The liberal Hindus tend to direct their energy into education and materialistic pursuits and exclude themselves from the underdog position in society. Conservative, more religious Hindus have a nostalgia for a romanticized India of their memory. This dovetails perfectly with Modi’s carefully curated image of the priest-king, throw in Ayodhya, the dream of Ram Rajya and the adulation is inevitable.
With Modi then throwing his weight behind Trump against the common foe of the liberal press + dems, the Hindu right joins the MAGA right.

Zohran Mamdani…

OK, I’m going to speculate a bit here. I don’t think Zohran is really a religious Muslim. I think both his parents were extremely liberal people—Mira Nair is very evidently so, and Mahmoud seems to be too, albeit a Muslim one.
He grows up in this atmosphere of Muslim victimhood and the liberal compact and spends his teen–early adult years railing against Babri Masjid, Godhra, Modi, etc.
He then leans in heavily towards his Islamic roots and socialist ideals two years into an Israeli genocide abetted by the U.S. state and a cost of living crisis. He is rewarded for it and will probably lean in more as a result. The net effect of this is that he’s American and Muslim and does not display any affinity towards Hindu/Indian culture beyond the language, media, and food.

What next…

The American liberals along with their favoured democratic party are in disarray. Zohran’s win will be hard to repeat as the democrats cannot shed their pro-Israel donor base nationally and a far left liberal will be exclusionary. That said, Trumps overreach on immigration and economic chaos presents a clear opportunity for an anti-woke leader to curb liberal excesses and unite under socialist themes.

European liberals are banding coalitions together in a desperate attempt to keep the far right out of power, currently energized by opposition to Trump their fortunes are capricious and perverse.

Meanwhile in India, there is a rise of the educated Hindu intellectual within the nationalist space. Where once the Hindu movements were lead by godmen, charismatic charlatans and political rabble rousers there is now an opening for people like J Sai Deepak and Anand Ranganathan. Where there was only Shashi Tharoor now there are legion. The avowedly secular intellectual old guard are relegated to their academic sinecures and traditional hand wringing opinion pieces. The Congress cannot discard the dynasty and the liberals desperately cling to the dried withered husk of it.

* (disregarding Hitch-22, which was more of a memoir)

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brown
brown
20 days ago
  1. swapan dasgupta, in my opinion the first ‘modern’ english speaking conservative of india and some of his ideological mates have attempted to bridge the gap with the american conservatives. this is still work in progress…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDWIRgz01A

Kabir
20 days ago

You are correct that liberals tend to favor the underdog. At least post 9/11, Muslims are perceived as the underdog. This is also why sympathies in the US are shifting towards the Palestinians (not all of whom are Muslim). When war crimes are being committed against a people, it is very hard to have sympathy for their aggressor.

I was in high school in the US in the early 2000s in a suburb with a large concentration of Jews. We were taught a very pro-Israel narrative. In 7th grade (middle school) we had to read “The Diary of Anne Frank”. The Holocaust was discussed in great depth. Conversely, there wasn’t really much discussion of the Nakba. Palestinians were widely perceived as “terrorists”. Of course, these were the years of the Second Intifada.

You use Christopher Hitchens as an example of a “liberal”. Hitchens supported the 2003 Iraq War. According to Wikipedia, he referred to himself as a “supporter of Paul Wolfowitz”. He voted for Bush in 2004. So I would very much question whether “liberal” really applies to him.

On Zohran: His father is Shia and I would presume that Zohran was raised Shia. As far as I can tell, Mira Nair does not seem to be a practicing Hindu. At least she was fine with her son being raised as a Shia.

I would question how one defines “Indian” culture vs “Hindu” culture (this is a real question, I’m not being snarky). Zohran speaks Urdu/Hindi, wears shalwar kameez and uses Bollywood references in his campaign. So clearly, he has no issues with Indian culture. He’s not a Hindu so he doesn’t go to temples etc. I’m not sure exactly what you expect him to do?

His father is of Gujarati Muslim descent so it makes sense that Zohran would be unsympathetic to Modi given the events of Gujrarat 2002.

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Kabir
20 days ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Sure. But how are you applying this to Mira Nair? Suppose she is an atheist (I don’t know if she is) but doesn’t identify as a Hindu. Maybe she didn’t tell Zohran stories from Hindu mythology. All we know for a fact is that she agreed to have him raised Shia. He himself has married a Syrian American so I would presume that his Islamic conviction is sincere.

“Indian” doesn’t equal “Hindu”. Both Zohran’s parents are of Indian origin. I don’t see any evidence that he doesn’t identify with Indian culture. Yes, he doesn’t seem to have been raised with any affinity towards Hinduism but that’s really between him and his mother right?

Kabir
20 days ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

The difference between Zohran and that hypothetical Nigerian student is that both of Zohran’s parents are of Indian origin. So ethnically he’s 100% Indian.

He’s not Hindu which I guess is the issue for a lot of people. My issue with this conflation of Indian culture with Hindu culture is that it seems to presume Indian Muslims are not really Indian. If Zohran had grown up in India (suppose) he would be just another Indian Shia presumably?

xperia2015
xperia2015
20 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Ethnicity is a dubious measure. By that logic extension you’re indian too. Indian Muslims grow up in an Indian ethos. Siddi Indians are ethnically Bantu and religiously Muslim but still very Indian.
I said you wouldn’t understand. Hinduism is both the religion and the culture. The indian culture is predominantly underpinned by Hindu culture in the way American culture is Judeo Christian and English is Anglican church underpinned.

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Kabir
20 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

“By that logic you’re Indian too”– Yes, I am ethnically Indian. Two of my grandparents were born in India (Amritsar and Agra). Many Pakistanis are ethnically Indian (Muhajirs). Something that happened 80 years ago cannot erase hundreds of years of history.

“Hinduism is both the religion and the culture”– I see your point but I disagree. This conflation is very problematic for Indian minorities.

xperia2015
xperia2015
20 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

This is where academia, dry scholarship and online articles will fail you.
As an example, an old Banyan tree is always a site of reverence in a village. Hindus will attribute some divinity to it and can, but need not, resort to overt worship. While worshipping it is anathema to the Muslims/Christians, they too will revere the tree due to the ethos created around it.

A child growing up in America, even in a Hindu family, will see a giant sequoia and marvel at it’s size but rarely associate any divinity to it. The ethos does not exist.
In Judeo Christian culture a tree is just an object.

X.T.M
Admin
20 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Yes exactly – amazing .. lovely comment . Yes Hinduism is truly pervasive

Nivedita
Nivedita
19 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

With due respect, this does not hold true for all minorities; only the Abrahamics.

As I had said in my earlier response to you, many Indian Muslims identify as Indic first and that is something I appreciate a lot.

Think of it like one’s love for different members of the family. Love only grows, it doesn’t reduce. The Indics, irrespective of religion do not see any contradiction in revering India as a mother goddess and their personal faith. That is syncretism.

Kabir
19 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Sure but no one should be forced to identify the way you want them to.

For most Muslims, the whole concept of a “mother goddess” is just meaningless and probably extremely offensive. Literally the most basic tenet of the faith is “There is no God but Allah and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is his prophet”. You can’t reconcile that with the existence of any other kind of gods or goddesses.

Nivedita
Nivedita
19 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

I thought that you would understand reconciling both aspects, given that you sing bhajans. Would it be fair to assume that under a strict interpretation of Islam, music and indeed singing Bhajans would be unacceptable?

What I’m trying to say here is, when you live in a plural, open society, there is an organic reconciliation of seemingly contradictory notions. India is not alone in this aspect, the Persians do it too. It is by no means forced, and I would argue that for society to function holistically, it is in fact needed.

Kabir
19 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

Qawaali is a huge part of South Asian Islam. So there is no blanket prohibition of music. It is true that the more conservative and orthodox types (such as Wahabbis for example) frown on music.

I sing bhajans. But for me it’s part of Hindustani music. My singing them doesn’t mean I believe in any gods other than Allah. I used to sing in the National Cathedral choir in Washington DC. That didn’t mean I considered Christ as my savior.

Also, there is a huge difference between someone choosing to sing bhajans and someone being forced to do so.

I have no issues with an Indian Muslim voluntarily saying “Bharat Mata ki jai”. But if this is forced on someone, I will take issue with that.

Kabir
19 days ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Are you going to deny that Indian Muslims have been forced to chant “Jai Shree Ram” or “Bharat Mata ki Jai”? These are not “imaginary offenses”

I would be equally upset about a Pakistani Hindu being made to chant “Naara-e-Takbeer” or “Allah ho Akbar”. This is not “Islamic victimhood” but principled secularism.

Kabir
Kabir
19 days ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Why did you use the phrase “imaginary offenses” then? That implies that Muslims are not made to chant Hindu rightwing slogans.

Sorry, I don’t watch random videos on Twitter.

xperia2015
xperia2015
19 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

It’s an imaginary offense in the context, Nivedita clearly wasn’t talking about anyone forced to say something. You brought in the straw man offence and then proceeded to voice your outrage. That’s ok, I only introduced the twitter video to highlight, your blindness to Muslim perpetrated outrage, I was wondering how you would dismiss it.
Btw the equivalent atrocity to forcing a Muslim say Jai Shree ram is not forcing a Hindu to say Allahu Akbar (meaningless to us), it is the defacement of an idol or defilement of a temple\deity and there is no shortage of that.

Kabir
19 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Muslims in India have been beaten up for not saying “Jai Shree Ram” or “Bharat Mata ki Jai”. There is nothing imaginary about that.

You really want to get into temple destruction when mosques are destroyed by mobs in India?

You pretend to somehow be more neutral and moral than I am when in reality both of us are primarily concerned about our own community–as most people in the world are.

Is it really too much to argue that no places of worship should be attacked and no one should be made to chant slogans that they don’t believe in?

xperia2015
xperia2015
19 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

It’s impossible to have a rational conversation because you keep dragging in an atrocity against Muslims into any topic while completely ignoring atrocities perpetrated by Muslims against every other religion, every other sect, atrocities against moderates, atrocities against women.

No one was advocating forcing Muslims to do anything, it was wholly imagined in your mind. I don’t know how to express this in plainer english.

The forcing of Muslims to say an anathema does happen, the circumstances under how that happens is for the courts to sort out and they very often end up doing so. The point is this problem jumps into your view and precludes all else in a conversation about syncretism.

I’m going to leave it here before you rope if more lines of Muslim angst.

Kabir
19 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

You keep going on the defensive. Insecure much?

To make it absolutely clear to you: I’m against anyone perpetrating atrocities against anyone else. Equal opportunity secularism.

Ironically, your “it’s for the courts to sort out” argument is trotted out in Pakistan when someone is accused under the blasphemy law. Your reactions are really not all that different from the people you are supposedly arguing against.

xperia2015
xperia2015
19 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Q.E.D

phyecho1
phyecho1
20 days ago

There are no methods for objective reasoning in humanities, so intelligence in that arena is mostly wasted .Unlike sciences where experiments give clear evidence. That is the answer.

Last edited 20 days ago by phyecho
phyecho1
phyecho1
20 days ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Either one looks for solutions or its a waste of time.

X.T.M
Admin
20 days ago

Fantastic piece; will come more at length but reflecting on it. I didn’t get the go slow for 72hours? What does that mean, did Modi deliberately hold back the state?

xperia2015
xperia2015
20 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

That was the widespread rumour at the time. 72 hrs, then all rioting would be dealt with severely.

X.T.M
Admin
20 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Ohhh

Nivedita
Nivedita
19 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

Yes, heard that too. Have heard varying accounts from people present there at the time. Some seem to suggest, because Modi had just become the CM, he was not able to effectively mobilize the state apparatus quickly to douse the fire before it went out of hand.

X.T.M
Admin
20 days ago

Zohran is interesting; yes he has completely leant into the Muslim identity and a vague South Asianess

Last edited 20 days ago by X.T.M
X.T.M
Admin
19 days ago

interesting Wikipedia has this but I can’t find a comparable for Pakistan? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots

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xperia2015
xperia2015
19 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Someone needs to care to create the page. There is always someone in India eager to do this.

Nivedita
Nivedita
19 days ago

Fantastic article! In complete agreement… Couldn’t have articulated it better myself!

This piece captures exactly how the majority of Hindus today think. The best part is that we’re also finding the right words to voice those nuances that can be missed in a world that only thinks in the binary.

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