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		By: sbarrkum		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57394</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2020 09:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57357&quot;&gt;iamVY&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Specially in Assam where the local populace is against all migrants hindu or Muslims.
And how long can one give people work permit and take away their voting right?
They will have to be given path to naturalization. What about their kids? &lt;/i&gt;

Sri Lanka sent back 1960&#039;s over half a million South Indian estate worker brought by the british.  Many were 2nd and 3rd gen.  

At independence, the Brits did not resolve their statelessness.  
The brits did not give the South Indian workers Ceylon citizenship because that would have ended indentured status, and Brit estate owners loosing cheap labor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirima%E2%80%93Shastri_Pact]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57357">iamVY</a>.</p>
<p><i>Specially in Assam where the local populace is against all migrants hindu or Muslims.<br />
And how long can one give people work permit and take away their voting right?<br />
They will have to be given path to naturalization. What about their kids? </i></p>
<p>Sri Lanka sent back 1960&#8217;s over half a million South Indian estate worker brought by the british.  Many were 2nd and 3rd gen.  </p>
<p>At independence, the Brits did not resolve their statelessness.<br />
The brits did not give the South Indian workers Ceylon citizenship because that would have ended indentured status, and Brit estate owners loosing cheap labor.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirima%E2%80%93Shastri_Pact" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirima%E2%80%93Shastri_Pact</a></p>
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		By: iamVY		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2020 07:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57357&quot;&gt;iamVY&lt;/a&gt;.

Doesn&#039;t work unless there is bipartisan support. The implementation is bound to be undermined by both sides showing their own voter base liniency. 
Specially in Assam where the local populace is against all migrants hindu or Muslims.
And how long can one give people work permit and take away their voting right? 
They will have to be given path to naturalization. What about their kids?

It leads to more question than answers.

The process of stopping vote bank migrants has to be done by better security at borders and if required better prosecution of people engaged in such activities in a transparent manner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57357">iamVY</a>.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t work unless there is bipartisan support. The implementation is bound to be undermined by both sides showing their own voter base liniency.<br />
Specially in Assam where the local populace is against all migrants hindu or Muslims.<br />
And how long can one give people work permit and take away their voting right?<br />
They will have to be given path to naturalization. What about their kids?</p>
<p>It leads to more question than answers.</p>
<p>The process of stopping vote bank migrants has to be done by better security at borders and if required better prosecution of people engaged in such activities in a transparent manner.</p>
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		By: Arjun		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2020 03:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57367&quot;&gt;SouthIndian&lt;/a&gt;.

It is obvious to all but the feeble minded that India&#039;s N-weapons are China directed. It would be stupid to develop them for defense from Pakistan.

Whether or not the world sees India as competition to China is a bizarre reason for or against the above.

The world doesnt see Pakistan as competition to anything but a lunatic asylum but its nuclear weapons are clearly India directed.]]></description>
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<p>It is obvious to all but the feeble minded that India&#8217;s N-weapons are China directed. It would be stupid to develop them for defense from Pakistan.</p>
<p>Whether or not the world sees India as competition to China is a bizarre reason for or against the above.</p>
<p>The world doesnt see Pakistan as competition to anything but a lunatic asylum but its nuclear weapons are clearly India directed.</p>
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		By: SouthIndian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2020 00:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Agreed that we are not seen as China&#039;s competitor, but as an analyst he must understand India&#039;s threat perception too. 
I also did not like his last sentence &quot;Weapons are part of the struggle in South Asia, not only for their military intention but in their naming too — though much more noticeable on the Pakistani side&quot;.  Seems to imply that the difference is in degree and not in kind. Though his own article suggests otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that we are not seen as China&#8217;s competitor, but as an analyst he must understand India&#8217;s threat perception too.<br />
I also did not like his last sentence &#8220;Weapons are part of the struggle in South Asia, not only for their military intention but in their naming too — though much more noticeable on the Pakistani side&#8221;.  Seems to imply that the difference is in degree and not in kind. Though his own article suggests otherwise.</p>
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		By: Saurav		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2020 00:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57364&quot;&gt;SouthIndian&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the wider world does not see India as a competitor to China. So its understandable, that the author doesn&#039;t too.I guess the point he is making is India&#039;s weapon naming is arbitrary while Pakistan is more focused.]]></description>
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<p>I think the wider world does not see India as a competitor to China. So its understandable, that the author doesn&#8217;t too.I guess the point he is making is India&#8217;s weapon naming is arbitrary while Pakistan is more focused.</p>
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		By: SouthIndian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Based on my understanding, our advanced weapon systems are also aimed at China. Naming it after the indigenous heros who fought the Turkic/other invaders would send a wrong signal that we are competing with Pakistan which is not really the main threat. I&#039;m surprised that the author does not even mention China, and seems to characterize it exclusively as a South Asian arms race.
The author&#039;s conclusion on India is also wrong. How is it an identity struggle on the Indian side if weapons are named after elements i.e. Fire, Earth, Sky etc. Agni, akasha etc are words which are also a part of the Kannada vocabulary like many borrowed Sanskrit words. They are understood by most people in India so naturally it makes sense to name systems based on Sanskrit words rather than non-Sanskrit Hindi words]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on my understanding, our advanced weapon systems are also aimed at China. Naming it after the indigenous heros who fought the Turkic/other invaders would send a wrong signal that we are competing with Pakistan which is not really the main threat. I&#8217;m surprised that the author does not even mention China, and seems to characterize it exclusively as a South Asian arms race.<br />
The author&#8217;s conclusion on India is also wrong. How is it an identity struggle on the Indian side if weapons are named after elements i.e. Fire, Earth, Sky etc. Agni, akasha etc are words which are also a part of the Kannada vocabulary like many borrowed Sanskrit words. They are understood by most people in India so naturally it makes sense to name systems based on Sanskrit words rather than non-Sanskrit Hindi words</p>
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		By: thewarlock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 23:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57325&quot;&gt;Mayuresh Madhav Kelkar&lt;/a&gt;.

most likely by uneducated haleems]]></description>
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<p>most likely by uneducated haleems</p>
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		By: Saurav		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/sultans-on-wings-the-symbolism-of-weapon-names-in-india-and-pakistan/

Sultans on Wings: The Symbolism of Weapon Names in India and Pakistan

&quot;The symbolism of these choices is rather clear: The Pakistan government refers to how the establishment of the country was linked to the historical growth of Islam in South Asia (a growth that partially happened in a violent way). Islamabad is also outspoken in showing that its missiles are primarily aimed at India, having been named after leaders who once invaded it.

Compared to the above, Indian military names are not as aggressive ideologically. None that I am aware of carry the memory of a Hindu monarch that would be known for fighting Muslim rulers. The symbolism would be have been complementary had New Delhi named its missiles after those kings that fought the relevant Islamic conquerors (the ones whose names appear on Pakistani missiles). But that is not the case. India’s sole aircraft carrier, Vikramaditya, was christened after a king, but a one that lived long before Islam was even born.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>Sultans on Wings: The Symbolism of Weapon Names in India and Pakistan</p>
<p>&#8220;The symbolism of these choices is rather clear: The Pakistan government refers to how the establishment of the country was linked to the historical growth of Islam in South Asia (a growth that partially happened in a violent way). Islamabad is also outspoken in showing that its missiles are primarily aimed at India, having been named after leaders who once invaded it.</p>
<p>Compared to the above, Indian military names are not as aggressive ideologically. None that I am aware of carry the memory of a Hindu monarch that would be known for fighting Muslim rulers. The symbolism would be have been complementary had New Delhi named its missiles after those kings that fought the relevant Islamic conquerors (the ones whose names appear on Pakistani missiles). But that is not the case. India’s sole aircraft carrier, Vikramaditya, was christened after a king, but a one that lived long before Islam was even born.&#8221;</p>
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		By: SouthIndian		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 21:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57357&quot;&gt;iamVY&lt;/a&gt;.

How about just giving illegal immigrants a work permit without voting rights? Because they typically vote for the likes of Mamta who encourages further immigration to grow her votebank. In Assam Badruddin Ajmal has emerged as a king maker because of such a vote bank. So long as they are voters, some politicians will be incentivised to pull in greater number of immigrants into the country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57357">iamVY</a>.</p>
<p>How about just giving illegal immigrants a work permit without voting rights? Because they typically vote for the likes of Mamta who encourages further immigration to grow her votebank. In Assam Badruddin Ajmal has emerged as a king maker because of such a vote bank. So long as they are voters, some politicians will be incentivised to pull in greater number of immigrants into the country.</p>
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		By: iamVY		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2020 21:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57352&quot;&gt;SouthIndian&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no way to successfully identify illegal migrants already in India and make sure they leave the country.

It will be notoriously difficult to repatriate them as no country will take them, keeping them in detention camp if any is bonkers too since it just leads to huge outcry and govt. resources being spent to feed people who could be productive.

If BJP is done making whatever point it wanted to make, they can implement CAA and work on securing borders.

More than that just concentrate on economy if for nothing else them self survival]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/open-thread-brown-pundits-77/#comment-57352">SouthIndian</a>.</p>
<p>There is no way to successfully identify illegal migrants already in India and make sure they leave the country.</p>
<p>It will be notoriously difficult to repatriate them as no country will take them, keeping them in detention camp if any is bonkers too since it just leads to huge outcry and govt. resources being spent to feed people who could be productive.</p>
<p>If BJP is done making whatever point it wanted to make, they can implement CAA and work on securing borders.</p>
<p>More than that just concentrate on economy if for nothing else them self survival</p>
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