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		By: SK		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101940</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2022 04:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101908&quot;&gt;Anonymous Poster&lt;/a&gt;.

What does this phrase mean?]]></description>
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<p>What does this phrase mean?</p>
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		By: Sumit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sumit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2022 23:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101887&quot;&gt;S Qureishi&lt;/a&gt;.

Sanskrit translation may as well have been Arabic for the masses.


Brahmins who are familiar with Sanskrit are also more likely to be familiar with Hindu philosophy and epistemological reasoning. 


And frankly Islam is far less philosophically sophisticated than Dharmic religions which the Brahmins would be familiar with. 


( I think this is because a lot of intellectual energy of Muslim scholars was spent on minute legalistic interpretations, rather than bigger picture stuff. )


In any event the  important thing would have been to translate the Quran into local vernacular and provide the masses with a simple, egalitarian faith. And then slowly coalesce that into a hardened identity.


This did sort of happen with Sufi saints, who championed popular Islam in the subcontinent. Ironically many modern Muslims hate practices like offering chadars at Dargahs of Sufi saints, as they consider it a form a Shirk / idolatry. 


But many of these modern Muslims descendants of Hindus whose first introduction to Islam would have been these more familiar syncretic practices championed by a saintly person.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101887">S Qureishi</a>.</p>
<p>Sanskrit translation may as well have been Arabic for the masses.</p>
<p>Brahmins who are familiar with Sanskrit are also more likely to be familiar with Hindu philosophy and epistemological reasoning. </p>
<p>And frankly Islam is far less philosophically sophisticated than Dharmic religions which the Brahmins would be familiar with. </p>
<p>( I think this is because a lot of intellectual energy of Muslim scholars was spent on minute legalistic interpretations, rather than bigger picture stuff. )</p>
<p>In any event the  important thing would have been to translate the Quran into local vernacular and provide the masses with a simple, egalitarian faith. And then slowly coalesce that into a hardened identity.</p>
<p>This did sort of happen with Sufi saints, who championed popular Islam in the subcontinent. Ironically many modern Muslims hate practices like offering chadars at Dargahs of Sufi saints, as they consider it a form a Shirk / idolatry. </p>
<p>But many of these modern Muslims descendants of Hindus whose first introduction to Islam would have been these more familiar syncretic practices championed by a saintly person.</p>
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		By: king		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2022 10:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Global religions every year growth;
 Hindus grow at 10 million,in 10 yrs its 100 million hindus(1 Billion in 2010 to 1.4bn in 2050)
Muslims grow at 30 million,in 10yrs its 300 million muslims(1.6bn in 2010 to 2.8bn in 2050)
Chrisitians grow at 18 million,in 10yrs its 180 million christians..(2.1bn in 2010 to 2.8bn in 2050)
So no religion be it hindu or christian or muslim will go extinct even in 22nd century..So stop crying..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global religions every year growth;<br />
 Hindus grow at 10 million,in 10 yrs its 100 million hindus(1 Billion in 2010 to 1.4bn in 2050)<br />
Muslims grow at 30 million,in 10yrs its 300 million muslims(1.6bn in 2010 to 2.8bn in 2050)<br />
Chrisitians grow at 18 million,in 10yrs its 180 million christians..(2.1bn in 2010 to 2.8bn in 2050)<br />
So no religion be it hindu or christian or muslim will go extinct even in 22nd century..So stop crying..</p>
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		By: Razib Khan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Razib Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101915&quot;&gt;Half asleep&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;. In any case it’s almost certain that in 1764, when the Islamic rule in BD ended after 500 + years, BD was still a Hindu majority region.&lt;/i&gt;

this sounds plausible and that&#039;s my prior...but according to eaton Portuguese reported that the area around dhaka was dominated by Muslim peasants by the mid 16th century. his argument is that the eastern part of bengal was not well populated until Muslim polities began sponsoring peasants settlements and these peasants were converted to Islam as a matter of course. he does give examples of hindu sub-rulers doing the same, and those peasants were orthodox hindu.

anyway, i&#039;m not sure tbh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101915">Half asleep</a>.</p>
<p><i>. In any case it’s almost certain that in 1764, when the Islamic rule in BD ended after 500 + years, BD was still a Hindu majority region.</i></p>
<p>this sounds plausible and that&#8217;s my prior&#8230;but according to eaton Portuguese reported that the area around dhaka was dominated by Muslim peasants by the mid 16th century. his argument is that the eastern part of bengal was not well populated until Muslim polities began sponsoring peasants settlements and these peasants were converted to Islam as a matter of course. he does give examples of hindu sub-rulers doing the same, and those peasants were orthodox hindu.</p>
<p>anyway, i&#8217;m not sure tbh.</p>
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		By: Half asleep		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Half asleep]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 18:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Bangladesh does not have caste structures then it&#039;s an interesting case. Although Hinduism in Bangladesh rapidly declined during the British rule, it was doing quite well till 1800. Even in 1871 close to 40 percent of the BD population were officially Hindu, and at that time most people believed that the official figure was too low to be true. The skepticism was completely justified because during the 1871 census anyone following a mixed religion was classified as a Muslim. In any case it&#039;s almost certain that in 1764, when the Islamic rule in BD ended after 500 + years, BD was still a Hindu majority region. So the resilience of Hinduism can not be entirely attributed to caste structures.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bangladesh does not have caste structures then it&#8217;s an interesting case. Although Hinduism in Bangladesh rapidly declined during the British rule, it was doing quite well till 1800. Even in 1871 close to 40 percent of the BD population were officially Hindu, and at that time most people believed that the official figure was too low to be true. The skepticism was completely justified because during the 1871 census anyone following a mixed religion was classified as a Muslim. In any case it&#8217;s almost certain that in 1764, when the Islamic rule in BD ended after 500 + years, BD was still a Hindu majority region. So the resilience of Hinduism can not be entirely attributed to caste structures.</p>
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		By: Anonymous Poster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2022 16:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101887&quot;&gt;S Qureishi&lt;/a&gt;.

Brahmins posting Ws amongst a sea of Ls.]]></description>
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<p>Brahmins posting Ws amongst a sea of Ls.</p>
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		By: thewarlock		</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thewarlock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 23:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101869&quot;&gt;Sumit&lt;/a&gt;.

Pakistan still has caste. Cousin marriages help preserve it.]]></description>
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<p>Pakistan still has caste. Cousin marriages help preserve it.</p>
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		By: S Qureishi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[S Qureishi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101880&quot;&gt;Razib Khan&lt;/a&gt;.

This is not true, Salman Farsi (A persian companion of prophet Muhammad) translated some chapters of Quran into Farsi, so basically there was no taboo on translations in early Islam. Tafsir e Tabari is a surviving Farsi translation and exegesis of the Quran from the 10th century.. I&#039;m sure there were other translations during 700-1000CE, especially those of the Mutazalite, that didn&#039;t survive the Mongol invasions. 

I have no idea why the Quran was not translated into Sanskrit, or perhaps it actually was and we don&#039;t know about it yet. Dara Shikoh translated Upanishads into Farsi. To me it seems like Sanskrit was a guarded language, and as Al Biruni mentions - Brahmns who were gatekeepers of Sanskrit were usually uninterested in outside religions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101880">Razib Khan</a>.</p>
<p>This is not true, Salman Farsi (A persian companion of prophet Muhammad) translated some chapters of Quran into Farsi, so basically there was no taboo on translations in early Islam. Tafsir e Tabari is a surviving Farsi translation and exegesis of the Quran from the 10th century.. I&#8217;m sure there were other translations during 700-1000CE, especially those of the Mutazalite, that didn&#8217;t survive the Mongol invasions. </p>
<p>I have no idea why the Quran was not translated into Sanskrit, or perhaps it actually was and we don&#8217;t know about it yet. Dara Shikoh translated Upanishads into Farsi. To me it seems like Sanskrit was a guarded language, and as Al Biruni mentions &#8211; Brahmns who were gatekeepers of Sanskrit were usually uninterested in outside religions.</p>
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		By: Razib Khan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Razib Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 20:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Had the Quran been translated to sanskrit, the apabrahmsas , and major dravidian languages, it would have nativized, penetrated much deeper, and been evaluated based on its principles more than its cultural valence.&lt;/i&gt;

it wasn&#039;t translated into the Iranian languages. nor into turkic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Had the Quran been translated to sanskrit, the apabrahmsas , and major dravidian languages, it would have nativized, penetrated much deeper, and been evaluated based on its principles more than its cultural valence.</i></p>
<p>it wasn&#8217;t translated into the Iranian languages. nor into turkic.</p>
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		By: Razib Khan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Razib Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.brownpundits.com/2022/11/13/hinduism-will-die-and-hinduism-will-live/#comment-101877&quot;&gt;Ugra&lt;/a&gt;.

if you dodge my question and answer a different one that i DIDN&#039;T POSE like that again i will block your commenting abilities on this website. (if you respond to this comment i will block you too)]]></description>
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<p>if you dodge my question and answer a different one that i DIDN&#8217;T POSE like that again i will block your commenting abilities on this website. (if you respond to this comment i will block you too)</p>
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