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		<title>Who Sees? A Caste Audit of an Anonymous Elite Indian Hospital</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2026 09:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A surname-level audit of an anonymised elite Indian hospital, and what it tells us about reservation, fellowship capture, and how prestige sub-specialties reproduce themselves outside the reach of the Mandal Commission.]]></description>
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<p>We pulled the consultant roster of a leading Indian hospital, well-known, charitable, multiple metros, decades old, and ran the surnames against caste. The institution does not publish anything beyond name, sub-specialty and city. We have anonymised the hospital because the point is structural, not gossip. The pattern here is the pattern at twenty others. What we found will not surprise anyone who has sat in an Indian waiting room, but the numbers are worth tabulating.</p>
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<p><strong>The Methodology</strong></p>
<p>This is not a census. It is surname sociology. Indian surnames are imperfect caste signals, especially in Tamil Nadu where initials often suppress jati markers altogether, and elsewhere where regional surnames detach from their origin communities through migration and intermarriage. We are not building a genealogical claim about any individual on the list. We are reading the aggregate. Elite institutional patterns in India are often visible precisely through these imperfect signals: when the noise floor is what it is, a strong signal still tells you something. The exercise is probabilistic, not deterministic, and we have tried to keep the language commensurate with that.</p>
<p><strong>The Numbers</strong></p>
<p><span id="more-24794"></span></p>
<p>The hospital lists roughly one hundred consultants across multiple cities. About fifty-five to sixty percent carry surnames that are unambiguously Brahmin or upper-caste Hindu by any of the standard heuristics. The South Indian branches are dominated by Tamil Brahmin (Iyer and Iyengar) names. Around it sits a Telugu Niyogi minority (Kaza, Lingam, Koka), a Maharashtrian Brahmin cluster (Bhende, Agarkar, Lagvankar, Mashruwala), and a Punjabi or Sindhi commercial-caste tail (Khurana, Bassi, Bhambhani, Ratra, Verma, Kothari, Agarwal).</p>
<p>The North Indian branches are bhadralok in archetypal form: Mukherjee, Banerjee, Sen, Sengupta, Dutta, Dutta Majumder, Guha, Kundu, Paul, Das, Roy, Chowdhury, Biswas. About twelve Tamil consultants carry only initials, no surname. Initials-based naming is widespread across Tamil communities, not specific to any one jati, but the convention also doubles as a caste-opacity layer in elite Tamil contexts, and the distribution of sub-specialties in this subset is consistent with the rest of the upper-caste pattern.</p>
<p><strong>Pakistan was created so that Muslims too could be elite doctors?</strong></p>
<p>Out of roughly one hundred consultants, three are visibly Muslim. Two of those three are women. Christian representation, almost all Syrian Christian or Tamil Protestant, is slightly higher and concentrated in the female pool. We do not find a single Reddy, Kamma, Naidu, Mudaliar, Chettiar, Vanniyar, Nadar, Gounder, Yadav, Jat or Maratha name in the senior list. In a South Indian institution headquartered in Tamil Nadu, the absence of Mudaliar, Chettiar and Mukkulathor consultants at this scale is unlikely to be random. The North Indian branches have zero Muslim consultants in states that are twenty-plus percent Muslim.</p>
<p><strong>Reservation or no Reservation- Caste is Eternal</strong></p>
<p>The South Indian state runs the most aggressive caste-reservation regime in the union. Sixty-nine percent of seats are reserved, a figure protected under the Ninth Schedule of the Constitution since 1994. The state has pushed reservation deep into private and deemed educational structures for student admissions, often against the grain of central jurisprudence and through prolonged litigation. The mechanism still breaks down at three points. Reservation applies to student seats, not to faculty appointments. It applies most cleanly to MBBS-level intake, not to private super-specialty fellowships. And DNB courses run inside private hospitals are governed in practice by the All India Quota, which strips out state-level reservation. The pipeline to a senior consultant chair in a fellowship-running eye hospital sits, by design and by accretion, outside the reach of Mandal. The roster is what that pipeline produces.</p>
<p>Surnames are probabilistic, not deterministic. We are working from one signal, and one signal can mislead. A Tamil &#8220;Rao&#8221; is usually Tulu or Kannada Brahmin. A Bengali &#8220;Sen&#8221; can be Baidya or Kayastha, not strictly Brahmin but securely bhadralok. A Punjabi &#8220;Verma&#8221; is a different beast from a Hindi-belt &#8220;Verma&#8221;. A &#8220;Patil&#8221; is Maratha, not Brahmin. The initials-only Tamil names are the largest single source of uncertainty: most will be Brahmin, the rest forward-caste Tamil. None of this changes the topline. Even if we generously assign every ambiguous name to a non-Brahmin upper-caste bucket, the institution remains a forward-caste preserve. <strong>The error bar is narrower than the gap.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Institutional DNA</strong></p>
<p>This category of charitable specialty hospital, founded in decades ago in urban India by a US-returned medical professional, mutt-adjacent or temple-adjacent in governance, did not emerge from the logic of a secular public institution. It functioned as a philanthropic upper-caste professional network that admitted patients of all castes. The patient mix is not the consultant mix and has not historically been treated as a metric. <strong>Charity flows outward, employment flows inward.</strong></p>
<p>The sharper comparison is not to government medical colleges but to the IIT and IISc faculty. Prestige sub-specialties in India recruit from the same two or three jatis that already dominate the Indian meritocratic ladder.</p>
<p>Cornea, vitreo-retina, glaucoma and uveitis are the apex of ophthalmology, and the apex is staffed by the same population that staffs theoretical physics at Cambridge, machine learning at Stanford, and the senior IAS in Delhi. The reproduction mechanism is not formal exclusion. It is the compounding of a hundred-year head-start in English-medium schooling, professional networks, marriage circuits, fellowship sponsorship, and the ability to absorb the opportunity cost of a low-paid clinical fellowship in one&#8217;s late twenties. Reservation does not touch this stack. Reservation was designed for the bottom of the bottleneck, not the top.</p>
<p><strong>The North Indian Counterfactual</strong></p>
<p>The North Indian state does not have the South Indian reservation regime. It has, in addition, almost no Muslim presence in its elite professional rosters despite the state&#8217;s demography. The consultant list is bhadralok of a purity that would have pleased Bipin Chandra Pal. If reservation explained nothing, the South and North Indian rosters would look similar in caste composition. They do, allowing for the substitution of Tamil Brahmin for Bengali Brahmin. Two very different state regimes produce very similar elite outcomes at the consultant tier. The escape valve is structural.</p>
<p><strong>In Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>We are not claiming this hospital is uniquely guilty, nor that its consultants are individually undeserving. The opposite. The senior consultants on this list are, almost certainly, among the most competent ophthalmologists in the country. The point is that competence selection in India operates downstream of a caste filter so dense that <strong>while merit is real; the pool it picks from is not.</strong></p>
<p>Maybe Indian elite institutions should publish their faculty caste composition the way American universities publish their faculty demographics? Not because it would fix the problem. Because it would stop the polite fiction that the problem does not exist.</p>
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		<title>The Hindification of East India</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2026 11:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bihar, Odisha, Assam, and now Bengal: the old Bengal Presidency votes as a single saffron block. A century after the bhadralok forced Curzon to reunite Bengal, their grandchildren have completed the partition he attempted by map.]]></description>
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<p>The map of East India has changed colour. Bihar fell to the NDA in November 2025 with 202 of 243 seats, and Samrat Choudhary now sits as the first BJP Chief Minister Bihar has ever had. Odisha went saffron in 2024 under Mohan Charan Majhi. On 4 May 2026 Mamata Banerjee lost Bengal after fifteen years; the BJP took 206 seats and will form its first government in Kolkata. Himanta Biswa Sarma returned in Assam with 82 seats, a two-thirds majority and a third consecutive term. The old Bengal Presidency, once the largest province of British India, is now a single saffron block.</p>
<p>This is the completion, by ballot, of a partition the British attempted by map.</p>
<p><strong>1905</strong></p>
<p>In 1905 Curzon split Bengal. The eastern half was to be Muslim and centred on Dhaka; the western half was to be joined to Bihar and Orissa, which made the Bengalis a linguistic minority in their own province. The Bengali Hindu elite, the bhadralok who ran Bengal&#8217;s commerce and letters, fought it bitterly. They did not want to be drowned by Bihari and Oriya numbers. In 1911 the British relented and reunited Bengal.</p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The Biharis, for their part, had spent two decades campaigning to escape Bengali domination. The 1912 reorganisation that gave them their own province, jointly with Orissa, was their reward.</p>
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<p>Linguistic identity then was the prime axis. Hindu and Muslim mattered, but not as much as Bengali, Bihari, Oriya.</p>
<p><strong>The Historical Axis Flipped</strong></p>
<p>A century on, that axis has flipped. The Bengali, the Bihari, the Oriya and the Assamese are voting as Hindus, and they are voting for the same party. The two-nation theory, which Bengal once threw off, is doing its work the long way round.</p>
<p><strong>Hindi,, Hindu, Hindustan</strong></p>
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<p>The vehicle of this consolidation is Hindi. As Girmit has <a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/2026/04/25/pakistani-centrists-not-muslim-extremists/#comment-133098">succinctly</a> put it in the Comment Boards, Hindutva is in large part the advance of Hindi.</p>
<blockquote><p>It is as much a hindi-language supremacist,gangetic culture centric, and anti-communist party hence the original slogan , “hindi, hindu, hindustan”</p></blockquote>
<p>Khariboli, the Delhi dialect, took its prestige from the Delhi Sultanate. Modern standard Hindi is a saffronised, sanskritised, sanitised register of Urdu, stripped of its Persian and refilled from a dictionary. It is a formal tongue, not a poetic one. The poetry stayed with Urdu, which is why Bollywood still sings ghazals and qawwalis when it wants to move you. But the formal register travels well. It carries the news, the bureaucracy, the school examination, and now the vote.</p>
<p>East India was always linguistically apart. Bengali, Assamese, Odia, Magahi, Maithili and Bhojpuri are Magadhan languages, descended from a common eastern Prakrit and written for centuries in their own scripts. They are closer to one another than any of them is to Khariboli. Bihar was the first to be Hindified, because Bihar&#8217;s literate classes had already adopted Hindi as a second tongue and surrendered Maithili and Bhojpuri to the village. Odisha and Assam followed by ballot. Bengal, the last holdout of vernacular pride, has now joined them.</p>
<p><strong>Bengal</strong></p>
<p>The Bengal vote was not won on language. It was won on demography. The BJP ran the campaign on illegal immigration and the slow demographic shift of the eastern districts, and within minutes of the result Bengal-born Syama Prasad Mookerjee was being invoked from every BJP podium in the country. Mookerjee is exactly the through-line. He is the figure who carried Bengali Hindu anxiety from 1905 into the post-independence era, who founded the party that became the BJP, and whose ghost has now finally taken Calcutta. The bhadralok of 1905 fought to preserve Bengali. Their grandchildren have voted to preserve something else.</p>
<p><strong>The Vindhyas Hold</strong></p>
<p>Compare the south. On the same counting day, Vijay&#8217;s TVK delivered a stunning upset in Tamil Nadu. Dravidian politics remains inscrutable to the BJP because Tamil identity is still primarily linguistic and still anti-Hindi. Kerala went UDF again. The Vindhyas hold. North of them identity is consolidating around religion; south of them it is still organised around language.</p>
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<p class="font-claude-response-body break-words whitespace-normal leading-[1.7]">The British plans of 1905 had not been undone so much as deferred. The map drawn by Curzon and erased by Hardinge has now been redrawn by the electorate.</p>
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<p>Hindu East India votes as one bloc; Muslim East Bengal long ago departed as Bangladesh; the Bengali bhadralok of 1905 would not recognise the political map their grandchildren have produced.</p>
<p><strong>A Coda, centuries in the making</strong></p>
<p>We make no judgment here, only an observation. Politics is a dynamic field, not a static one. Identity grows and recedes with the salience of its rivals. As the Muslim share of the eastern population rises, the Hindu pulse hardens, and a plural Hinduism, the only kind that ever really existed, gives way to a homogenised one. It is precisely the homogeneity that Hindi enables.</p>
<p>Curzon would have understood the result; he anticipated it by a century and a bit.</p>
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		<title>Partition’s Impact on India’s Regional Quadrants</title>
		<link>https://www.brownpundits.com/2025/01/23/partitions-impact-on-indias-regional-quadrants/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jan 2025 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Argues that Partition reshaped five regional quadrants of undivided India. It fragmented Punjab and the Indo-Gangetic heartland, diminished Bengal by splitting Kolkata from Dhaka, cut Bombay off from Karachi, and left the South largely insulated and stable.]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="p1">Partition profoundly reshaped the subcontinent’s socio-political and cultural framework. Undivided India can be thought of five main regional quadrants—Northwest (&#8220;Punjab&#8221;), North (-&#8220;United Provinces&#8221;), Northeast (&#8220;Bengal&#8221;), Central (&#8220;Bombay &amp; Central&#8221;), and South (&#8220;Madras Province&#8221;).</p>
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<p class="p1"><b>The Indo-Gangetic: Fragmented Identities</b><b></b></p>
<p class="p3">Partition shattered Punjab’s cultural and linguistic cohesion, severing ties from Delhi to Peshawar. The Indo-Gangetic heartland also suffered, with mass migrations and communal violence stifling regional solidarity. Bengal’s Eastern periphery faced similar disruptions, where linguistic fragmentation replaced unity, limiting potential cross-regional influence (that&#8217;s why the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Bengal_(1905)">1905 Partition of Bengal</a> was met with such outcry by the Bhadralok).</p>
<p class="p4"><b>Bengal and the Northeast: Diluted Cultural Power</b><b></b></p>
<p class="p3">The partition of Bengal broke the economic synergy between Kolkata and Dhaka. Dhaka’s industrial vibrance, lost to East Pakistan, left Bengal diminished, while the Seven Sisters languished in isolation. Greater Bengal, once poised to rival the Hindi Belt, was splintered, its cultural and linguistic reach thwarted by communal, geographical &amp; international barriers.<span id="more-18600"></span></p>
<p class="p4"><b>Central India: Economic Ambitions Curtailed</b><b></b></p>
<p class="p3">Karachi’s loss as a trading hub possibly hindered the Old Bombay Presidency’s dynamism. A united Bombay-Karachi trade corridor could have created a thriving Gujarati-inflected economic epicenter, but Partition fractured these connections. While Mumbai emerged as the undisputed financial leader, the broader mercantile identity of the region remained somewhat divided though not as heavily as the North.</p>
<p class="p4"><b>South India: Stability Amid Turmoil</b><b></b></p>
<p class="p3">In stark contrast, South India was insulated from Partition’s upheavals. With no large-scale migrations or communal strife, the Dravidian states preserved their linguistic and cultural integrity. Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh, and Kerala channeled their stability into social reform, education, and economic progress. This stability mirrors Switzerland’s neutrality during the World Wars, fostering growth amid chaos (<em>which is why Switzerland is possibly the wealthiest society on the planet albeit being somewhat agriculturally focussed</em>).</p>
<p class="p4"><b>The Linguistic Aftermath</b><b></b></p>
<p class="p3">Partition entrenched Hindustani dominance in three of the five quadrants (<em>Northwest, North, and Central</em>). Bengal, though resilient, lost its chance at Eastern linguistic hegemony, despite its historical precedent of elevating Bengali over Persian in the 15th century. In contrast, South India fiercely resisted the communal and cultural influence of the Hindustani language family, retaining its distinct, stark &amp; very prosperous identity. It is Northerners who are flooding the South rather than vice versa.</p>
<p class="p4"><b>The Cost of Partition</b><b></b></p>
<p class="p3">Partition homogenized diversity, replacing regional plurality with communal divides and Hindified most of the &#8220;Aryan&#8221; Subcontinent (<em>Urdu did that for the Muslim populations ex Bengal</em>). It erased organic cultural exchanges and amplified linguistic centralization, leaving the subcontinent much more fragmented than unified. South India’s success underscores the importance of cultural preservation and regional autonomy in navigating upheaval.</p>
<p class="p1">South India stands as the cornerstone of the modern Indian Republic, embodying uninterrupted cultural continuity, a secure pluralistic and Hindu identity, and a strong emphasis on technology and the sciences. Its stability and focus on progress make it a key driver of India’s advancements in various fields, from education to global tech leadership.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2022 02:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Razib Khan reads the genetics of a sample with Sadgop and Baidya parents as showing that Baidya are not Brahmins who lost caste, since Bengali Brahmins shift toward the steppe, and suggests non-Brahmin bhadralok castes underwent ritual uplift from peasant cultivators.]]></description>
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<p>I got a sample from someone where one parent was a West Bengal Sadgop, and another parent a Baidya with family origins in East Bengal. One hypothesis that I&#8217;ve see is that Baidya are basically Brahmins who lost their caste. Genetically this does not seem to be the case. Bengali Brahmins shift considerably toward the steppe samples compared to average Bangladeshis, and this individual does not. Rather, their uniqueness is that they have very little East Asian ancestry compared to the median. This is typical of non-Bramin West Bengalis. It is plausible to me that this individual&#8217;s Baidya parent, from East Bengal (Bangal), had more East Asian ancestry than their West Bengali (Ghoti) parent, so you see an average.</p>
<p>Though there are some exceptions, it seems that the non-Brahmnin bhadralok castes did undergo ritual uplift from that of conventional peasant cultivators at some point in Bengal. This seems similar with regard to Kayasthas in UP, but not in Maharashtra, where CKPs seem to have an affinity with Brahmins distinct from the Maratha cultivators.</p>
<p><b>Update:</b> I found a <a href="https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.02.323238v1.full.pdf">preprint</a> that pretty much answers all the questions re: Bengalis.</p>
<p>Here is a panel with a UMAP representation of genetic distance, and you see West Bengal is adjacent to Bangladesh. But there is a &#8220;tail&#8221; of individuals that are parallel to South Indians.</p>
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<p>This UMAP makes clear Bengali Brahmins are distinct from Kayasthas and Sadgop. These populations seem roughly similar to most Bangladeshis except they are shift over, and I assume this means less East Asian ancestry, as PCA seems to how:<br />
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		<title>On being an &#8220;upper caste&#8221; &#8220;Muslim&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jul 2022 19:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Razib Khan reflects on being called an 'upper-caste Muslim', arguing that although his ancestry may be largely Kayastha and Brahmin, caste is irrelevant to his family's identity as generic Bengali Muslims, and that Indian Americans will likewise carry upper-caste privilege without operative caste.]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I was talking to a friend, a Guju bania who visits their &#8220;family temple&#8221; now and then. This person is from a very tight-knight community. We were talking about whether I am &#8220;upper caste,&#8221; and their point was that most of my ancestors were from the <em>bhadrolok</em> literate elites of Bengal. It seems I&#8217;m mostly Kayastha, with a recent Bengali Brahmin in the mix, and reputed Iranian (Pathan and Persian) ancestry on both sides a very long time ago.</p>
<p>But, as I thought through the issue and reflected, I realized why the appellation annoyed me. There is no community of people of Muslim background who are mostly Kayastha with some Brahmin and <em>ashraf </em>ancestry. Yes, there are Muslim cates groups, like Ismailis who are clearly from banias or literally Muslim Kayasths (though most now intermarry with other Muslims). But that&#8217;s not me or my family; we are from a well-off background, but our identity is that of generic Bengali Muslims. Our origins are upper caste, but caste is irrelevant to our social reality (class though, is).</p>
<p><strong>This is worth a post because I think this is going to be the case with later generations of Indian Americans</strong>. Because of the class and caste backgrounds, Indian Americans descend from ancestors will tend to be upper caste and upper-middle class. But their identity will be a new one, unrelated to the solidities of the Indian subcontinent. In this way, Indian Americans may have upper-caste privilege, but caste as a social institution just doesn&#8217;t function as it does in the subcontinent. The privilege is carryover, not operational.</p>
<p>So when a lot of Lefty commentators accused me of defending upper caste people because I&#8217;m an &#8220;upper-caste Muslim&#8221; I didn&#8217;t even know what to say. That&#8217;s just not part of my identity, or that of my family, though in a heritage sense that&#8217;s true. In the near future young Indian Americans who are half-Khatri and 1/4th Iyer and 1/4th Reddy would be verbally abused as &#8220;upper caste&#8221; and be just as confused as to what that even means.</p>
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		<title>Bhadralok are made not born</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2018 06:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Razib Khan plots two West Bengali samples, a Kayastha and a Brahmin, and finds the Kayastha resembles Bangladeshi samples with less East Asian ancestry, which supports the view that Kayasthas were cultivators who uplifted themselves occupationally.]]></description>
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<figure id="attachment_5899" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-5899" style="width: 196px" class="wp-caption alignleft"><a href="https://www.brownpundits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tanushreemu01.jpg"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="wp-image-5899 size-medium" src="https://www.brownpundits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tanushreemu01-196x300.jpg" alt="" width="196" height="300" srcset="https://www.brownpundits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tanushreemu01-196x300.jpg 196w, https://www.brownpundits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/tanushreemu01.jpg 652w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 196px) 100vw, 196px" /></a><figcaption id="caption-attachment-5899" class="wp-caption-text">Tanushree Dutta is a Bengali Kayastha</figcaption></figure>
<p>I have two samples of full ancestry from West Bengal. A Kayastha and a Brahmin. You can see where they plot.</p>
<p>Bengali Brahmins are very similar to North Indian Brahmins (often they have some &#8220;eastward&#8221; shift). In contrast, the Kayastha individual looks like the Bangladeshi samples, except with far less East Asian ancestry.</p>
<p>I do want more samples. Though I&#8217;ve gotten a few Bengali Brahmins and they exhibit the sample pattern as above. I am curious about non-Brahmin <em>West</em> Bengalis. But from the above, I think I will conclude that the hypothesis that Kayasthas are a cultivator caste which uplifted themselves occupationally is probably the right one.</p>
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		<title>Neel Mukherjee for Man Booker</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[An excerpt from Neel Mukherjee's Booker-nominated novel, with the poster wondering whether Bengali writing can move beyond its fixation on partition and Naxalite violence.]]></description>
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<i>&#8230;.Supratik attacks his mother<br />
about food. &#8220;Don&#8217;t you agree we eat too much?&#8221;&#8230;.&#8221;Everyone<br />
 eats like this.&#8221;&#8230;.He attacks again: &#8220;not the servants, not the&nbsp;poor&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;..the head servant, Madan, who is part of the<br />
family, but remains separated from them&#8230;..&#8221;Boro-babu, the world<br />
does not change, you destroy yourself trying to change it&#8230;Why cause<br />
 people who love you to go through such misery because of it?&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.</i><i>Communist Supratik feels &#8220;a surge of cold fury that he is being given a lesson in<br />
 political morality by the family&#8217;s cook&#8221;&#8230;. </i><br />
<i></i>&nbsp;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; <br />
We know that the <b>Bong bhadaralok class</b> (genteel folks) are a mighty sentimental lot. Many of them were up-rooted from erstwhile East Bengal in 1947. Then in the 1960s-1970s Bengal experienced extreme violence first <u>from the left</u> and then <u>on the left</u> (the most intriguing part of that story was left-on-left violence). Finally a bunch of super-castes migrated to the West with its attendant identity loss problems etc.</p>
<p>The literary output seems focused on these extreme events and that is only to be expected. <b>However after what seems to be a million stories and plays and movies, we find the scope to be limiting (and exhausting). Is it too much to ask the writer class to pick up a wider lens?</b></p>
<p><a name='more'></a>There is a good story (we presume) to be written about the ups and downs of <b>an unprecedented three decades of a popular vote backed communist rule</b> which began with police torturing communists (1975-1977) and ended with communists (and police) torturing common people (2006-2011). <b>The middle class essentially had to move out of Bengal to cities of opportunity to the north, west and south (Gurgaon, Pune, Bangalore).</b> </p>
<p><b>How about the daring idea to divorce Kolkata (where only 20% people live) from the dialog? </b><br />
You have the timeless culture of the Sunderbans, where Hindus and Muslims both pray to snake and tiger gods and where unique forms of agriculture and pisci-culture are in place and which has also experienced thunder-bolts via Force-10 cyclones? Then there is the Himalayan belt where the world-famous Darjeeling tea gardens have been devastated by mismanagement and where Hindus (Gorkhas/Nepalis, Bengalis, Tribals like Koch, Rajbonshi) are murdering other Hindus as part of a campaign for (or against) partition?<br />
<b>Speaking of larger than life personalities, why not put to pen the astonishing rise and fall of Huseyn Shaheed Suhrawardy? </b>He was born in (present day) West Bengal, he was the Premier of Bengal when the massive riots happened post Direct Action Day (1946), he became the (5th) Prime Minister of (unified) Pakistan (1956), forced to resign by Iskandar Mirza (1957), exiled by Ayub Khan and finally died in exile in Beirut (1963), never to see his homeland again. <b>From the stand-point of Bengali Hindus HSS was a veritable monster </b>(like one Great Leader today) who was fiddling while Kolkata was burning. By the same token he was a hero second to none for Bengali Muslims. But then to his credit (and to the confusion of extremists on both sides) he proposed (along with Hindu leader Sarat Bose) an United Bengal as one nation!! <b>After all the madness, Bengali leaders still hoped to hold hands, the idea itself is madness, or was it??</b> </p>
<p>Re: HSS there is a popular anecdote which concerns Gandhi. Legend has it that the mob had managed to corner HSS in Gandhi&#8217;s presence. The mob asked Gandhi to step aside so that they can finish him off. Gandhi kept his calm and told them that they would have to kill him first. The mob went away but the grievances were building up.<b><br /></b></p>
<p><b>Ranting aside, we wish Neel Mukherjee all the best in his quest for Booker for &#8220;The Lives of Others&#8221;. The book (in our opinion) is very different in flavor to Jhumpa Lahiri&#8217;s 2013 &#8220;The Lowland&#8221; which covers the same ground (and lost the race for Booker). Strongly recommended.</b><br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<i> </i><br />
<b><i>It begins in 1966 with a profoundly shocking sequence, emblematic of<br />
the novel&#8217;s purpose, in which a starving Bengali peasant slaughters his<br />
wife and children before killing himself by drinking corrosive<br />
insecticide. We are then whisked off into a seemingly unrelated double<br />
narrative.</i></b></p>
<p><i>In one strand of this we meet three generations of the<br />
upper-middle-class Ghosh family, who made their fortune in paper<br />
production and are steadily losing it through the effects of Partition,<br />
mismanagement, union trouble and domestic discord. In the other we<br />
follow the story of one of the family&#8217;s eldest grandsons, who has<br />
dropped out of his life of privilege to train and work as an activist<br />
and guerilla fighter for the outlawed communist Naxalites.</i></p>
<p><i>The<br />
Ghoshes are a big family. (Mukherjee provides both a family tree and a<br />
guide to the Bengali relational terms). Though their empire spreads<br />
across the continent, they all live in the one, old Kolkata house, the<br />
patriarch and his wife on the top floor and the spoilt youngest&#8217;s<br />
outcast widow and children on the gloomy bottom one.</i></p>
<p><i>Many (guilty)<br />
 readers, and not a few Indian novelists, would have contented<br />
themselves with focusing on this household. It provides a tidy microcosm<br />
 of Hindu society, rigidly hierarchical, borne up by cheap labour, yet<br />
shot through with destabilising insecurities and alliances.</i></p>
<p><i>As in<br />
an equivalent dynasty imagined by Galsworthy or Mann, the company<br />
founder supposes his commercial achievements can only be undone by his<br />
modernising sons, while the sons despair of the father&#8217;s lack of<br />
foresight. His wife retains a blind fondness for the family&#8217;s oldest<br />
retainer, in effect a slave procured as a child to raise her children<br />
and cook the delicious dishes of his impoverished background, a<br />
situation that will bring about a tragedy of injustice and misplaced<br />
loyalty worthy of Conrad at his darkest.</i></p>
<p><i>The house is riven with<br />
conflicts born of marriage. One son has married the perfect,<br />
peacekeeping wife, one, harbouring profound sexual shame (arising from<br />
incestuous coprophilia, since you ask) has married a vulgarian. The<br />
latter delights in a state of constant warfare with the family&#8217;s<br />
unmarried daughter. This character, the most richly portrayed in<br />
Mukherjee&#8217;s family album, rendered unmarriageable by too much education<br />
and unfortunate looks, consoles herself with inventive spite while her<br />
mother looks on, aware of the part she has played in creating such a<br />
monster but powerless to intervene.</i></p>
<p><b><i>Another character who could<br />
arguably have taken a whole novel to himself is Sona. Shy and wordless<br />
to the point of autism, raised on scraps by his outcast mother, in the<br />
household&#8217;s cruel scheme he is in effect an Untouchable. And yet, as the<br />
 great Ghosh boat moves inexorably towards the rocks of its social and<br />
economic ruin, he proves to be its quietly triumphant survivor, saved by<br />
 a genius for pure mathematics.</i></b></p>
<p><b><i>The Ghosh household serves a<br />
Sethian narrative feast with dishes to spare, and yet it is arguably the<br />
 novel&#8217;s much harsher second strand which matters most to Mukherjee.<br />
Pursuing the rebel son, Supratik, on a career from 1960s Maoist idealism<br />
 through brutal murders in the jungle, to scenes of police torture that<br />
had this reader sitting protectively on his hands, it is a graphic<br />
reminder that the bourgeois Indian culture Western readers so readily<br />
idealise is sustained at terrible human cost.</i></b><br />
<i>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>Supratik is possessed by a single-minded moral horror at the lives of<br />
 the starving and helpless. Early in the book he attacks his mother<br />
about food. &#8220;Don&#8217;t you agree we eat too much?&#8221; She is baffled. &#8220;Everyone<br />
 eats like this.&#8221; He attacks again: not the servants. Not the&nbsp;poor. The<br />
novel gives us not only Supratik&#8217;s revulsion but his mother&#8217;s sense of<br />
what has always been as it is. His departure will cause her to break<br />
down completely. </i><br />
<i><br /></i><br />
<i>Maybe the most<br />
sympathetic character is the head servant, Madan, who is part of the<br />
family, loves and cares for them, but remains separated from them.<br />
Towards the end of the book he has a significant conversation with<br />
Supratik. He tells Supratik how his mother took to her bed when he left,<br />
 &#8220;shrivelling up like leather in the sun&#8221;. &#8220;Boro-babu, the world<br />
does not change, you destroy yourself trying to change it, but it<br />
remains as it is. The world is very big and we are very small. Why cause<br />
 people who love you to go through such misery because of it?&#8221;</i></p>
<p><i>Communist<br />
 Supratik feels &#8220;a surge of cold fury that he is being given a lesson in<br />
 political morality by the family&#8217;s cook&#8221; – seeing Madan from his<br />
family&#8217;s viewpoint, &#8220;their&#8221; cook. And he lashes back at Madan, reminding<br />
 him how Madan himself begged the family to &#8220;let&nbsp;loose the police&#8221; on<br />
Madan&#8217;s son, the leader of the striking workers. </i><br />
<i>&#8230;.. </i><br />
<b><i>The novel’s second glimmer of light relates to Supratik, the<br />
Naxalite. At the very end of the book we find out that while living in<br />
Medinipur he had invented a means of derailing trains: this technique<br />
has been passed on to present-day Maoists in central and eastern India<br />
who are now using it to devastating effect.&nbsp;</i></b></p>
<p><i>‘Someone<br />
 had come from Chhatitisgarh to show them the ropes, and he had<br />
mentioned that according to local Maoist lore it was a Bengali<br />
invention, the work of a man known as Pratik-da in the late Sixties in<br />
some district bordering West Bengal and Bihar. Or was it West Bengal and<br />
 Orissa?’</i><br />
<i><br />
</i><br />
<i>This then is the legacy that Neel ascribes to Supratik: a method of derailing trains and killing unwary passengers: ‘his gift to his future comrades survived and for those who cared to or were old enough to remember, he lived on in his bequest.’</i><br />
<i><br />
</i><br />
<b><i>In other words, what Neel chooses to celebrate about Supratik’s life<br />
is not the transmission of a spirit of resistance – something that is<br />
more than ever necessary at a time when the environment and the poor are<br />
 being subjected to devastating violence in the name of ‘growth’ – but<br />
rather a particular means of resisting: in this instance a technique of<br />
mass murder.&nbsp;</i></b></p>
<p><i>This is troubling, for it was precisely the means adopted<br />
by the student-Naxals of the 1970s that doomed their movement. Violence<br />
and bloodletting became so essential to their methods as to suggest that<br />
 the movement was not, in its essence, a social program at all but<br />
rather a cult of ritualistic killing, like thuggee.&nbsp;</i></p>
<p><b><i>This is why the<br />
movement aroused widespread revulsion, even among those who sympathized<br />
with its professed social aims. Its trajectory was a perfect<br />
illustration of that deadly elision that often occurs when violence is<br />
embraced as a means to an end: ultimately the one displaces the other<br />
and the means becomes the end.</i></b><br />
&#8230;..</p>
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<p>regards</p></div>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reacting to a Trinamool leader's threat that his men would commit rape in the homes of opponents, the post argues that Bengali men's liberal self-image and Bengal's cult of mother goddesses sit awkwardly with such conduct, and with a woman as party boss.]]></description>
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<i>&#8220;&#8230; If you insult<br />
the mothers and daughters of Trinamool workers. Then I won&#8217;t spare you. I<br />
 will let loose my boys in your homes and they will commit rape. I will<br />
teach each of you a lesson&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>&#8230;.<br />
<b>Bengali men (super-caste Hindus, the so-called gentlefolk or the bhodrolok) have a self-image of being liberal. </b>This is especially so when they stand up for their (bengali) muslim brothers against the (mostly north Indian origin, bihari/marwari) Hindu right. This is quite an admirable trait, given that millions of their own have suffered grievously at the hands of muslim thugs in uniform and without.</p>
<p>Bengali women (bhodro-mohila) have a self-image of being domineering. The lady Gods lead all the popularity contests. In Bengal, Shiva is a beggar awaiting favors from Annapurna, the mother who feeds the world. <b>Bengali men are meek, mama&#8217;s boys (so says the poet Robi Thakur). </b></p>
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Here comes a Bengali who has little use for tradition. <b>It also does not matter that his boss is a woman, who was tortured by marxist goons when she was a rising politician.</b> He may be smiling white for&nbsp; the cameras, but his heart is completely black. He is also a first rank liar and coward (tried to explain that he had said RAID not RAPE, next got his wife to apologize on his behalf). <br />
&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
<i><b>A day<br />
after TMC MP Tapas Pal allegedly threatened to kill CPM workers and have<br />
 their women raped, his wife Nandini Pal on Tuesday apologized for her<br />
husband&#8217;s controversial comment and said there was another part of the<br />
story. </b></i></p>
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<i>&#8220;I apologize for his comment. Of course there is no<br />
question of supporting it. But yes I know there is another part of the<br />
story, which provoked him to do that. The entire incident had happened<br />
long back, what led to such a thing there is another part of the story,&#8221;<br />
 Nandini told reporters. </p>
<p> &#8220;On behalf of him I am saying sorry,&#8221;<br />
said Nandini. The controversial comment had triggered an uproar and<br />
sparked condemnation by opposition parties with CPM demanding that the<br />
Lok Sabha Speaker take suo motu cognizance of Pal&#8217;s outburst and<br />
disqualify him. </p>
<p> Trinamool Congress yesterday demanded an explanation in writing from the party&#8217;s actor-MP within 48 hours for his comment.</i></p>
<p><i>&#8220;The<br />
statements made by Mr Tapas Pal are utterly insensitive. The party does<br />
not in any way endorse what he said many weeks ago, which is being<br />
played out on TV channels,&#8221; party spokesman Derek O Brien had said. </p>
<p> The MP&#8217;s comment also drew condemnation from the National Commission for Women. </p>
<p> Pal&#8217;s comment which went viral on a vernacular TV news channel<br />
yesterday had quoted him saying,&nbsp;&nbsp;&#8220;If any CPM man is present here. Listen<br />
 to me. If you ever touch any Trinamool Congress worker or their<br />
families at Choumaha, you have to pay for this. Don&#8217;t try to act smart<br />
with me. I am smarter than you&#8230;&#8221; </i></p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;<br />
Earlier, you guys have bullied me on various occasions. If you insult<br />
the mothers and daughters of Trinamool workers. Then I won&#8217;t spare you. I<br />
 will let loose my boys in your homes and they will commit rape. I will<br />
teach each of you a lesson,&#8221; the MP had warned.</p>
<p> Pal, however, denied that he spoke about rape. &#8220;What I said was I will tell my workers to &#8216;raid&#8217;.&#8221;&nbsp; </i></p>
<p><b>&#8230;.. </b></p>
<p><a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Trinamool-MPs-wife-apologizes-says-there-is-other-part-of-story/articleshow/37561412.cms?prtpage=1"><b>Link: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Trinamool-MPs-wife-apologizes-says-there-is-other-part-of-story/articleshow/37561412.cms</b></a></p>
<p>&#8230;..</p>
<p>regards </p></div>
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