Episode 59: Suhag Shukla of the HAF

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On this episode, I talked to Suhag Shulka. I appreciate the readers who provided questions since honestly, I didn’t have strong priors. Suhag is a good talker, and I don’t have much personal experience with Hinduism (I’ve never been in a Hindu temple, and the only Hindu religious I’ve seen in real life was at the party of a family friend when I was six and a side room was devoted to prayer and such).

I know that some people have strong opinions on the HAF…my own suspicion after talking to Suhag is that it is in some ways a less political Hindu variant of AIPAC. On the American scene, Hindus are firmly within the Democratic party and the center to Left. This is clear in terms of politicians, but also when you look at survey data as well. But in terms of international affairs, these sorts of alignments are not as clear, and that seems to be where HAF gets in trouble with “social justice” types.

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10 Replies to “Episode 59: Suhag Shukla of the HAF”

  1. I liked the podcast. Suhag moves between personal and lawyerly with impressive fluidity.

    What I didn’t know was that the NGO Raj was giving us the cold shoulder. I guess I suspected it, but now I do know. Guess we’re in the same boat with the Jews hehe.

  2. The Kali Yuga as alt-right meme thing comes from Julius Evola, a dadaist painter who turned to esoteric fascism because he thought dadaism wasn’t shocking enough. Alt-righters like him because his worldview is the epitome of extreme-right politics as an elaborate act of trolling.

  3. “Ex-Miss Michigan joins Trump reelection campaign after being stripped of title” By Sophie Lewis
    July 27, 2019
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-miss-michigan-kathy-zhu-joins-trump-reelection-campaign-after-being-losing-crown-and-bring-stripped-of-title/

    Kathy Zhu [@PoliticalKathy], a former Miss Michigan pageant winner … was stripped of her title last week after several offensive tweets surfaced. She has joined Trump’s reelection campaign efforts. …

    “I am so excited to now be part of the #WomenforTrump Coalition Advisory Board!” Zhu tweeted along with the announcement. “Let’s get Trump re-elected for 2020.”

    Zhu is a University of Michigan student, majoring in political science. She is an avid Donald Trump supporter on social media and the vice president of the College Republicans group at her school.

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    The 20-year-old received an email last week from the pageant removing her from her position, which she shared on Twitter.

    “It has been brought to the attention of Miss World America ‘MWA’ that you social media accounts contain offensive, insensitive and inappropriate content,”

    According to screenshots obtained by the Orlando Sentinel, the first tweet said, “There is a ‘try a hijab on’ booth at my college campus. So you’re telling me that it’s now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Islam?”

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  4. Good interview and guest.

    I’m glad you briefly touched on the perceived Islamophilia of the left.

    I was wondering what your thoughts are on leftist Islamophilia and the connections between the far right and Hinduism.

    1. The far-right refers to Hindus as “street shitters,” they don’t exactly have a positive view of us.

  5. Commenting on the parts I’ve heard till now.

    5:30 – The person seems like a confused individual or is trying too hard to find his identity within a particular religion. Seems to have zero idea on karma per say or how to modulate it. His identification as a hindu is at a very tamasik and rajasik sense, which is also okay. Let him enjoy his beef as some muslims also enjoy pork, and don’t pay heed to the “don’t eat pork” part in the Quran.

    9:18 – The word Hindu signifies as the religious term denoted to sanatana dharma and their offshoots . No point is going back to the root of the term hindu. Indian muslims/ christians/jews/bahai/sufis/xxxx/yyyy are not hindus (modern definition). Under the modern definition, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs are also not hindus, but panths which follow sanatana dharma system.

    18:30 – Caste, jati is the natural occurrence in society. Caste based discrimination is a social problem, correctly put by Suhag. Plus, Suhag also explains varna, jati, guna, regional characteristics etc very well for laymen or idiots.

    26:00 – Varnas, Jatis, Intra-castes.Suhag did a good job explaining it, of a mixture habits and mental tendencies giving you a particular Varna. I was actually surprised that she knows all of this. In the context of marriage, gotra comes into calculations. Gotra is extremely old and any break in keeping records by a generation breaks that line of gotra identity.

  6. 51:55 – Handled quite well. As she was saying. Few recent examples, so the data is present. While the usual narrative is muslim cow smuggler lynching which is sometimes real and sometimes not, Indian muslims cover a very broad social spectrum.

    https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/kirti-stabbed-multiple-times-by-mohammad-munasir-succumbs-to-injuries-in-hospital/

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/gurgaon/week-after-attack-advocate-dies-lawyers-block-rajiv-chk-in-protest/articleshow/70387127.cms

    https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mumbai/cover-story/group-affiliated-to-daesh-inspired-by-zakir-naik-ats/articleshow/70354860.cms

    https://punemirror.indiatimes.com/pune/crime/youth-murdered-over-public-urination/articleshow/70351920.cms

    https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/alwar-dalit-man-beaten-to-death-after-his-bike-hits-a-muslim-woman-family-alleges-mob-lynching-by-umar-sher-and-associates/

    https//www.opindia.com/2019/07/hindu-boys-family-forced-out-of-village-for-marrying-muslim-girl-police-advices-boy-to-convert-as-villagers-threaten-to-kill/

    https://www.indiatoday.in/crime/story/man-arrested-for-killing-model-girlfriend-in-nagpur-1569013-2019-07-14

    https://swarajyamag.com/politics/amethi-miscreants-molest-dalit-woman-threaten-to-make-her-musalmanni-brutally-thrash-husband

    https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/uttar-pradesh-muslim-mob-attacks-hindu-temple-damages-the-structure-with-weapons-in-lakhimpur-kheri

    https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ani/bengali-actor-swastika-dutta-files-complaint-over-harassment-by-cab-driver-119071100129_1.html

    https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/bulandshahr-shivling-desecrated-irshad-arrested-for-urinating-on-the-idol/

    https://www.opindia.com/2019/07/bahraich-muslim-mob-attacks-family-over-argument-injures-six-pelts-stones-at-intervening-police-team

    1. It’s like in the US where a black person killing a white person typically doesn’t make it on the news but a white person killing a black person becomes 24/7 breaking news hate crime alerts from Wolf Blitzer.

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