Update: The podcast was recorded yesterday. So I edited it today, so if you are a patron you can already listen.
I’ll be interviewing Suhag Shukla of the Hindu Amerian Foundation for the BrownCast. I have some questions I’m going to ask, but this is a podcast where I am willing to take suggestions.
So if you have questions, put them in the comments (note that I’m not going to be the only person on the podcast, so I can’t guarantee I’ll be able to get to your question).
50 thoughts on “Podcast with Suhag Shukla of the Hindu American Foundation”
1.) What is her explanation for the HAF lobbying for California schools to use the term “Indian” rather than “South-Asian” to refer to the region? Why have they lobbied for curricula that whitewash the Hindu Caste System? Both moves were heavily protested by academics and civil-society members.
2.) Why does the HAF lobby against congressional hearings which aim to evaluate the deteriorating human rights situation for minorities in India, and even excuse acts of intolerance by blaming it on missionary activity?
3.) Why does the HAF proudly claim to work with and share platforms with organizations like the VHP and World Hindu Congress, which have been called, “militant religious organizations” by the CIA, and not only have made numerous statements supporting the lynching of minorities in India, but have actual members who have participated in such acts?
4.) Why does the HAF seem to stand at odds with the great bulk of respected national and international Human Rights Organizations, NGO’s, and Academics, labeling them as conspiratorial “Marxists” for condemning intolerance in India? Yet the HAF is vocal in raising awareness for such intolerance faced by Hindus in Pakistan/Bangladesh?
I would like to second all of the questions INDTHINGS has asked. Does the HAF support the same level of (practiced) justice, rights and protection that Hindu Americans enjoy in the United States for the religious minority groups in India (who are sons of the soil and not immigrants such as a good number of Hindu Americans)? Also would be very much interested on hearing the answers on their attempts at whitewashing history and their association with covert supremacist groups like the VHP. Excellent questions INDTHINGS!
“Does the HAF support the same level of (practiced) justice, rights and protection that Hindu Americans enjoy in the United States for the religious minority groups in India (who are sons of the soil and not immigrants such as a good number of Hindu Americans)?”
That would mean a drastic loss of several rights for the minorities in India – For example the right to run religious and (more importantly) educational institutions free of the regulations/impositions placed by the government on the majority community.
“That would mean a drastic loss of several rights for the minorities in India – For example the right to run religious and (more importantly) educational institutions free of the regulations/impositions placed by the government on the majority community.”
Are you saying American Hindu temples in the US don’t have the right to run religious and educational institutions? What regulations/impositions do they face that are so burdensome compared to the majority Christians in the US? Are there food restriction laws leading to lynchings of Hindus and anti-conversion laws aimed at Hindus? I said the SAME rights Hindu AMERICANs enjoy in the United States. Did you really read what I said? If you want to make a unrelated comment, feel free to make it, but don’t portray it as if it’s a actual response to mine.
“Are you saying American Hindu temples in the US don’t have the right to run religious and educational institutions?”
No I’m saying there is parity of the Hindu community with the majority community in the US. In India the minority communities enjoy superiority wrt to the majority community in running religious and educational institutions.
You asked in your original post if the HAF would want the same level of rights for minorities in India as they enjoy in the US. My point is that for this they would have to ask for a drastic reduction in the rights that the minorities currently enjoy in India.
The murder of minorities in India is regrettable. But only an illiterate bigot thinks there are no minority killings in the US. Luckily in the US we don’t have any minorities killing members of the majority (with the usual exception of Muslims) like we do in India.
i asked most of your questions.
“Both moves were heavily protested by academics and civil-society members.”
Actually this isn’t quite true. In Round 1 (2005), the pro-Hindu side was fairly bereft of external support. In Round 2 (mid-2010s), they had quite a few academics and public figures in their corner.
I’ll leave aside the rest of your post, you beg the question and make appeals to authority on pretty much everything, but neither of our minds are going to change. Interested to see how Suhag addresses the questions though, since this is literally her job.
Pretty sure HAF was on stronger footing on the whole S-Asia/India issue. I mostly heard half hearted push back from folks who were S-Asia-ist. Also not much from even Pakistani/BD origin folks as well. At the end of the day both sides knew who was right. HAF just pushed its advantage, while the other side (which seldom backs down) backed out.
1. What are your outreach efforts for the millennial Hindu, who is increasingly politically aware yet spiritually lacking?
2. What are some ways Hindu organizations can work closely with orgs of other Indic faiths (Sikhs, Buddhists, etc.) in the US? What have been some challenges?
3. Who are the biggest advocates for Hinduism/India on the Hill?
4. Has Modi govt. improved Hindus/India’s relationships on the Hill? if not, how can they do so better?
5. Why do Hindu orgs shy away from Hindutva, instead of educating others on the essence of Hindutva and its importance for the survival of the world’s last surviving major non-abrahamic faith.
I have some fantastic questions:
1) What is HAF’s position on the pervasive Brahminical/upper-caste patriarchy in India, obvious in the cricket team to the Maths Olympiad team (which has an obscene percentage of Hindu baniyas)?
2) Why do overseas Hindus not like Rahul Gandhi even though he looks way better and whiter than Modi?
3) Why is the commitment to a secular true history of Hindu Muslim peace and brotherhood missing in the Hindu American diaspora?
4) What is your favourite Star Trek captain?
As a Jain Vania origin aka Hindu Baniya of the most culturally Vaishya state, Gujarat, I surmise it is because we have a need to come up with ever more sophisticated ways of counting and hiding our good fortunes.
Why dont gujrati thakors exhibit the same vaishya characteristics , while patels do (when neither of them are baniyas to begin with)? Also are there any jain who arent baniyas (or priest) ?
I am a diaspora Guju Jain, so I don’t know if I am the best person to comment on this. But, from what I have seen, Guju Muslims, Parsis,, and Hindus of all castes display a high degree of frugality and predilection for business success because of disciplined yet diplomatic nature, when it comes to financial affairs. Now culturally, many members of these groups are socially conservative. However, even Gujarati social conservatism seems to have this built in capitalist mindset, whether it is Mumbai, Karachi. Dubai, Nairobi, London, or New York.
Patels are the most prevalent Gujarati group. Gujarati Rajputs tend to put on a whole “tough guy” act a bit more. But contributions by any Gujarati community to say the Indian military, is pitifully low. There might be more alcohol drinking, meat eating, tough guy behavior among some warrior castes, but, in the end, the behavior is largely akin to heavily vaishya influenced Gujarati behavior.
Mostly, merchants in the North converted to Jainism. But peasant castes and dalits in the South also converted. Tamil Jains of non Gujarati origin (big Saurashtra community in Chennai) tend to be of non merchant origin.
Most Jains are also not Brahmin (Hindus of this origin didn’t want to give up this high status) or warrior caste (vegetarianism and non violence in Jainism and also similar status regions like Brahmins). Merchants had the easiest time maintaining a Jain lifestyle.
“I am a diaspora Guju Jain, so I don’t know if I am the best person to comment on this. ”
Nah, i get it . Just curious to know how come patels who belong to almost the same social strata as thakors when they started out , espoused far more mercantile energy than thakors. Overall i agree that almost all communities in Gujarat on average espouse vaishya behavior than other parts of India. Perhaps existence of similar mercantile community alongside the gujratis (Sindhi, marwadis, parsis) also aided these competition.
Even in the South you have big mercantile communities (Chettiar) who rivaled western India mercantile communities once upon a time. Specially in Burma and SE asia. But its strange that somehow there are none Eastern India mercantile community to talk about.
Largely agree with thewarlock, but in Rajasthan, a lot of Rajputs / Kshatriyas became Jain. This is borne out by legend, records by monks (dating back to at least the 10th century), current Gotras/surnames and close resemblance between Rajput and Marwari Jain marriage and some other rituals (although this could be because of diffusion too). Jains resemble Rajputs in certain cultural practices way more than Agrawals (who are mostly of non Rajasthan origin – Haryana mostly) and Maheshwaris. Of all three of these communities in Rajasthan, Agrawals are truly the most Bania/Vaishya and they mostly don’t claim otherwise (although they have their own king Agrasen legend etc..). Agrawals are also the most successful Vaishya/Bania community in all of India (lots of poor ones too, and it seems there are many somewhat low status subcastes like Halwais, i.e. sweet makers etc..who have Agrawal surname; this is not the case among Jains)
A little anecdote in response to Saurav’s comment about lack of mercantile communities in the East:
There was a figure of speech in a certain version of Marwari:”Kadka Bengali” which translated to “poor Bengali”. This was mostly used as humorous self disparagement (e.g. I am a Kadka Bengali ..haha) or to disparage other community members..Never really heard it used in reference to Bengalis themselves, and this was among a sub community that doesn’t really have Bengal connections (when they went out of Rajasthan they went to Gujarat, Mumbai and the South). So it seems that the meme of Bengal/Bengalis being poor was quite common and understood in Rajasthan although I’m not sure how old it is (i.e. 19th./20th century or older)
One strange thing about the eastern mercantile castes is that they suddenly just fell off from the face of earth somewhat abruptly after having explored and conducted trade in all of S-East and Sri Lanka in the earlier century. Somehow the western and Southern mercantile caste didnt have this downturn of events but Eastern mercantile folks did.
And downturn to such effect that i cant even remember any native mercantile caste on top of my head from the whole eastern region including assamese, bengali or oriya. Almost all mercantile activities in these regions are conducted by native upper caste (Brahmin , Kayasth) or outsiders
Indeed! There is this curious fact of interest about early historic period about Andhra which is that the support to Buddhism in the early-historic Krishna valley was overwhelmingly given by these people called merchants. But nobody knows who these merchants were. I don’t know if the Telugu Vaishyas (natively called Komati similar to the Tamil Chettiar, etc.) were already that type of elite-level merchants in the early-historic Andhra at the 300 BC age. I myself speculate that most of these merchants were probably direct transplants from Bihar (and Bengal also?) conducting their business in small Indo-Aryan colonies in the civilised parts of the Krishna valley at that time. I don’t know if these people settled in the Krishna valley permanently and merged with some types of Brahmins or someone else (like the Komatis themselves even perhaps; but all the geneticists say that Komatis are this ancient group who formed in 2000 BC or something (slightly later perhaps) and never underwent any admixture later) or if they returned to their native lands in Bihar (I don’t know why they would do that though).
\Tamil Jains of non Gujarati origin (big Saurashtra community in Chennai) tend to be of non merchant origin.\
I think Saurastras in Tamilnadus are Hindus. They speak Saurastra at home and Tamils generally outside. Recently Saurastra language has got a script , based on Brahmi rather than Grantham, and it has Unicode recognition also. So, their community and cultural vitality is kept alive.
Jains and Jainism has a hoary history in Tamilnadu and their contributions to Tamil literature , esp ancient Tamil, has been outstanding. There are still descendants of these old tamil Jains and they are not what can be called ‘commercial community’
Other set of Jains is arrivals from North India over the last few generations .
What is your perspective on the condition of Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan? What can be done to ameliorate these conditions?
Wish BJP was more assertive in protecting Hindu rights in Bangladesh?
i will ask some of the india questions. but probably will focus more on american dynamics since i don’t know the indian issues too well…
For USA dynamics you can ask her about HAF “rivalry” with Sadhna since they are the “progressive” counter to more traditional HAF and what does she think about them.
Saurav, I don’t understand “Sadhana”, their philosophy or where they are coming from. Do you?
Do they have a deep understanding of any of the ancient Darshanas or paramparas of Sanathana Dharma?
There’s nothing Hindu about them, they just use Sanskrit words to dress up progressive causes they already supported.
I’m confused what exactly Sadhana does for Hindus…they just seem like progressives with an orange paint job.
Seriously, I took another look at their site (had seen it some time back), and what they feature most prominently are:
1) Supporting undocumented immigrants
2) “Dismantling caste”
3) Generic interfaith stuff
I’m not necessarily opposed to any of this, but I have to ask: WHAT DOES THIS DO FOR HINDUS?
Seriously, argue for lifting per-country caps or something. Fking Mike Lee is doing more for American Hinduism than everything Sadhana has done.
The problem is with our traditional Hindu society and religion. The religion makes us look internally for salvation and does not seek to develop fellow feeling with co-religionists.
Hindu intellectuals dissing on their own folk and expressing solidarity with the latest fad in Western intelligentsia in order to get street cred for themselves is just a manifestation of the broader problem among Hindus. Its easier for them to do this than say a Muslim liberal who even when pointing out problems with Islam will still identify with their religion and culture. A Muslim liberal would never want to throw out the baby along with the bath water as many Hindu liberals in a competition to prove themselves ever more liberal seek to do. (Reading their screeds on Hinduism and the way they delegitimize even the humanity of Hindus should make any fair-minded person squirm. Some of it could have been copied from Nazi propaganda against Jews)
The way these Hindu liberals talk it would seem like for the last 1000 years upper caste Hindus were an imperialist race colonizing many countries and oppressing them. As opposed to being colonized for the large majority of those 1000 years by Central Asian Islamist monarchs and then the British.
Hindutva is the only answer to problems faced by Hindus. The anger which Hindutva brings out in our enemies only justifies its importance. I only wish we can channel our energies in a focused manner like the Zionists did and not get distracted or derailed.
The current Modi govt I think realizes the importance of Hindutva and through state welfare programs as well as groundwork by the RSS are slowly but surely making a large percentage of Hindus from all castes buy into and develop a state in the Hindutva narrative. I am cautiously sanguine about the future of Hinduism.
BTW Hindutva is perhaps the only way to finally remove the scourge of Casteism from India. So all these anti-caste warriors should be supporting it instead of being dead against it.
I am curious about what exactly Hindu liberals and others (Anti Caste Warriors or ACWs) are aiming for when they claim they are fighting caste.
Do they want to dismantle the economic structure which casteism entailed and which used to exist in India. This to a large extent has already been dismantled and the vestiges of it which remain are fast dissolving into the corrosive effect of capitalism, govt welfare programs and an extensive affirmative action for Scheduled Castes and Tribes.
I can understand if they feel that the aforementioned economic structure is still not disappearing fast enough and I would be eager to listen if they were to provide ways to increase the pace of its decline “in a peaceful manner”. But its rare to come across any ACW who says something like this.
Do the ACWs actually want to start a revolution in order to totally upend the old economic structure and create a new elite populated by the Dalits and castes traditionally powerless in India. I can understand if they feel that the Hindu upper castes rather than slowly giving up their sole hold on power must infact be decimated and punished for their historical oppression. I do not support this but again I would understand this as a clearly thought out end-goal. But again these ACWs never seem to make this argument.
Coming to the social angle of caste, what do ACWs want to achieve here. Inter-caste marriage rates are increasing, albeit slowly. We can agree that this is something which will strike at the core of the caste issue and I would be eager to listen to the suggestions from ACWs as to how to go about achieving it. Certain Indian castes are rich, large enough and homogenous enough to support themselves and if left to their own they may never disappear. Not just tradional upper castes but also ones like Jatts, Jats, Yadavs, Kurmis and their Southern counterparts. So do these ACWs want to enact Stalinist legislation and force inter-caste marriage down people’s throats?
I feel rather than clearly thinking through this caste problem, its become a way to appear progressive while writing confused and reductive articles about caste oppression. For Islamists, Christian missionaries and their secular counterparts who hate Hinduism and want it to disappear, caste is just handle to beat Hinduism with. No wonder they still go on about “Sati” as if it were still practiced now and not something which the Hindus themselves recognized as a social ill and removed from their society 200 years ago.
Finally why should a Hindu organization in America be questioned about caste? What salience does caste have in America? Apart from a few random cases of favoritism which some Andhra Pradesh guy may show to a fellow caste guy while interviewing him for a job, where is the systematic oppression due to caste in America. It just cannot exist.
Apart from a few random cases of favoritism which some Andhra Pradesh guy may show to a fellow caste guy while interviewing him for a job, where is the systematic oppression due to caste in America. It just cannot exist.
the exception proves your point: the only systemic issue i’ve ever heard of are silicon valley indians griping about caste-preference. but SV is a special case of the huge critical mass of indians who are recent transplants.
Haha it may also be (a) the case that (we) simple-minded (Indian) leftists (or maybe just the clueless-ACW variety; more nuanced and knowledgeable people are probably different) (I’m just a temperamental leftist and not an active one but I definitely have the potential to become one easily too haha) are quite clueless about things happening around us. A very big annoying thing for us lefties is that the Right takes this very sudden yet definitely not very easily noticeable (like, definitely not easily noticeable haha, I don’t even know how they manage to do that so effortlessly) ideological and practical twists and turns (all the classical-period statesmen, philosophers, etc. belong to their camp after all) and sometimes they become very very dear to us and sometimes not very much so. It’s totally unfair to us haha. But in any case, it is my personal view that leftists should always stay humble and should not be very power-hungry when it comes to ideology and control over the world because we are the ones who are fundamentally in the wrong and many of our crazy and deranged goals can only go so far at any time in history.
“I am curious about what exactly Hindu liberals and others (Anti Caste Warriors or ACWs) are aiming for when they claim they are fighting caste.”
You have articulated the problem really well. This is something I have been thinking about of late as well and have gotten into multiple Twitter debates on.
I have found that most ACW are of two types:
1. Thos who use the ‘annihilation of caste’ merely as a vehicle for their ultimate aim of a utopia. Mostly communists. Sometimes Ram Rajya types.
2. People who are informed by Abrahamic sensibilities and have some sort of a natural abhorrence towards Hinduism. Includes Islamists, evangelicals, and ‘liberals’.
I’d really love to hear answers to Janamejaya’s questions from self-proclaimed ACWs
Because all Hindus are fascist, why are you stil existing??
“No I’m saying there is parity of the Hindu community with the majority community in the US. In India the minority communities enjoy superiority wrt to the majority community in running religious and educational institutions.
You asked in your original post if the HAF would want the same level of rights for minorities in India as they enjoy in the US. My point is that for this they would have to ask for a drastic reduction in the rights that the minorities currently enjoy in India”
I’m not sure why I’m unable to reply directly to SK, there is not a reply option under his comment so I will reply here:
SK you still aren’t addressing what I said, If they are enjoying the same rights as minorities in the US why would that be a reduction of rights? You might say rights would be increased if anything for the majority Hindus in India in the areas you are mentioning (control of religious and educational institutions). Hindus in America have more protection than minorities in quite a few parts of India have, where crimes are committed against them frequently with impunity. Until there are laws, lynch mobs, religious gangs targeting Hindu americans, stop acting as if you are responding to my comments and making unrelated arguments, you are welcome to make your own posts without piggybacking off mine.
MAH, the podcast is now done. Will be posted soon.
—94% of all black Americans are killed by other black Americans
—over 80% of all (caucasian + latino) Americans are killed by other (caucasian + latino) Americans
—the vast majority of Asian Americans are killed, raped, subjected to assault, subjected to armed robbery by non Asian Americans. [The exact numbers are classified by the FBI and not publicly released]
America already has an epidemic of violent crime against Asian Americans and Jewish Americans.
I don’t know the statistics for Hindu Americans specifically. Americans are deeply reluctant to classify violent attacks against Asian Americans as “hate crimes”.
As an aside what do you think caused the altercation between Anand Patel and Michael Brown?
Are you and SK the same person?
Read what I said again, if you don’t agree, well lets leave it at that.
“I don’t know the statistics for Hindu Americans specifically. ”
Then please respond when you do.
You are delusional.More Hindus are attacked by Muslims than vice versa in India.
Can you imagine what you would think of someone if they said to you, “more Muslims are attacked by Hindus than visa versa in Pakistan”?
Because that’s how you sound. Crazy.
In last one month alone there are more than 100 cases of attacks on Hindus by Muslims as documented by Anand ranganathan.
Could you imagine what you would think of someone if they tried to support their argument by saying, “as documented by Zakir Naik”.
Because that’s how you sound. Crazy.
Respected international organizations, the UN, and even the US State Department, agree that virtually all communal violence in India is committed by Hindus against Muslims, Dalits, and Christians.
You are the one sounding dense. I can ask the same thing as you did. Do Hindu Americans get same rights as Sikh Canadians?
The answer would be no. Because Canada has way more open multicultural society than Americans, not to speak of free health care. So, it would be stupid to say Sikh Canadians are suffering because they don’t have same rights as Hindu Americans.
Being equivalent to Hindu Americans would mean there won’t be a Jagmeet Singh.
You don’t get US government taking over donations to Scientology or Mormon church, but Indian government does that to Hindu Temples. Are you advocating Indian government take over donations received by churches and mosques?
If we apply rules of majority to minorities that’s what you get. You jumped to your conclusions, why pretend you care for truth?
LOL! Your response is that because one western democracy (Canada) is just a little bit better than another western democracy (USA), this counters the argument that minority citizens of India should have it as a good as Hindu americans? Ok would it make you happy if I said minority citizens of India should be treated as well as Hindu Canadians? Also I don’t understand your point about not having a Jagmeet Singh, have you heard of Kamala Harris and Tulsi Gabbard? And you say I sound dense.
Sorry MAH, my bad. You are comparing Kamala Harris and Tulsi Gabbard to Jagmeet Singh. At least I know where you are at. LOL away…
LOL, Anan and HMB, i dont understand anything of this Organizations whether Sadhna or HAF.
I just find all this amusing, and interesting in the sense that the “Hindu intrests” space was till very recently filled just by HAF even though financially hindus are 2nd richest demographics after Jewish folks. Surely such a demography would have multiple Organizations(like jewish) . But before Sadhna only HAF was perhaps the biggest organization and even HAF is not THAT big. So was always curious to these demand-supply issue.
I don’t really mind people who are Lefty Hindus (they can be useful if they hoover up energies that would have gone into Lefty anticlericalism), but there’s a difference between that and “being a Lefty and saying a few Sanskrit words.” Sadhana appears to be doing the latter.
Dont know man, i guess lefty hindus too need their organization (like lefty jewish folks have theirs) . Perhaps HAF might be too traditional for their liking. To each his own
@indthings: Nothing remotely respectable wrt
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Thou r not native Panjabi speaker???❄️Bale
The body shop and lush pedlars of toiletries r nonveg. Ramdev good?
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Simple boycotts worked to nominally end colonial era atrocities. To clarify: Anita Roddick The Body Shop Supports maritalDeviance as verified by “rainbow heart-valentine” that i noticed purely by chance. As per Divine Life Society and all other Religions of Aryavartasthan namely, Jain, Vedantic, Zarathustran, Gautam B. , Baba Nanak, plus reigning official state religion of Prestige Sacred Ancestral Holy Land Aryan Homelamd irIranZamin : all these pious paths are not only vegetarian but strictly no maritaldeviance tolerated aka Dharmic RuhaniEugenics. Within sacred wedlock between man and bride, girl,
( kanyadevi-maiden-ingenue) , a child is born from shared pleasure.
As for Lush toiletries , veganism is deathknell of Dharmic religions and nonpareil AryaSaka beauty Standard. Milk is indeed liquid Religion.The disease of deviance promoted by a business smearing vegetarian ethic with deviance is high level sin , v. BAd Karm.
I also boycott Loblaw and Shoppers Drug Mart apothecary- dispensary. They r same company. This chain does not carry renowned Danish Butter Cookies, not even at Yuletide. Per capita more lives were lost by Denmark than any other country in the ill fated Afghanistan “great game” of the most condemnable anglojew.
If local market due to semitic levant sensibility refuses to stock these biscuits suitable treat for milkveggie of Aryavartasthan, I refuse to shop for groceries or every day consumer goods at these two nefarious retailers. I wish Veggie friendly Fruiticana would open up Canada wide and ditto for London Drugs Dispensary of Western Canada.
Vegetarian ethic implies chaste AryaGod-fearing life: bloody jewxtian mocks us by linking erroneously milkveggie no egg no fish with deviance. Fad vegan is lowest of the low: vegan for 18 hrs then mcdonald filth “food”.
Iskcon is wrong: onions are actually good, great for fertility and nothing wrong with tea coffee as natural relaxants. Pink orange lentils are delicious. I also love regular grams, better than garbanzo lol . I don’t care for mung beans or soya. But I love black grams: urad Dahl. Pulse Canada is great website.In fact liquor as medicine is fine. The nefarious legal cannabis is a huge problem: as reported on AlphaEtc Panjab channel, stench of this fake bhang covers 200 km or so defiling the air and harming future generations. As we all know females, girls women of Aryavartasthan traditionally refrain from intoxicants for obvious reasons: pregnancy.
True mild bhang growing naturally within Aryavartasthan is different. Vadakayil says that natural bhang is beneficial for eyesight.
Why foodstuff important is thoughts are connected with what is eaten, for Arya religion thought move mountains.
Fruiticana needs quality vegetarian cheeses: no rennet lipase or pepsin. Cheese is greatest: ahimsa cheese is best!???
One of the five beloved of Vaisakhi Khalsa day 1699 was a Patel.? if one is named Patel there is good chance one’s family is a millionaire according to a uk study. In 1980’s fellow student who was Patel recounted story of sibling who was unfairly not admitted to local medical college though supposedly belonging to “ visible minority” designation designed to stigmatize good persons. He was accepted as student at a medical college in a different town. I digress: river, dolphin are regarded as persons under Anglosphere Law, not just corporations. V. Good development for Dharmic Environmentalism of Prakriti. This is diffferent from superficial Xtianity pseudoEnvironmentalism of atheists who just wish for iranIndia population to be less than zero: ghosts bhut jinn etc.?
Respect for Gujurat a dry veggie friendly state plus immense contribution to Panth of Baba Nanak. This is why part of Kutch is part of sovereign Sikh State declared April 1986. Now the request is for Jatland by S.S. Mann. Why Modi evicted Sikh farmers of Gujurat in favour of chinkijapani auto plant- too much pollution already, no? These Sikh families had been in Gujurat for generations and only speak Gujurati iirc . Japani soldiers cannibalized soldiers of Hindosthan in 2 nd world war. Note china does not see any difference between themselves and japanese. Only gullible westerners make a distinction between chini japani or korean for that matter: they themselves cannot distinguish who is who ?danger for doggie! In archaic English dog is word for cheerful happy young man. Canadian men of oldstock heritage traveling abroad have been targeted for ransom by Far East despots: current regime of Canada does not seem to care.
Strong leadership needed to keep Anglosphere safe.
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