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phyecho1
phyecho1
9 months ago

so, apparantly the law passed in california. U cant run away forever, need to fight. similar laws seem to have come to pass in canada, where they seemingly even assign caste to people it seems.
All of it also comes from the stupid mindset of not encouraging ic marriages, which really is the only solution. ic polity. Failure of India to settle its faultlines and failure of H’s to settle this has offered modern day politicians inside India and outside a handy tool to play their divide and rule games but trad idiots and others still live in denial of basic politics.
BJP helped back a person to wakfboard member in karnataka, the person is now backing congress. modi’s bjp has done worst of both, not delivered prosperity and neither solved issues, only inflamed people against H’s in a massive way to boost himself to power. After he leaves, the attitude he set about others, policies etc, wont end, so one has to live with that. not to mention, his embrace of caste politics, denial of bail, on sc/st act through constitutional amendment, 10% quota, now gave others ideas to break 50% quota break , others are now demanding more. Modi, a man of no principles, is leading us down a terrible path. congress and rahul gandhi by demanding (rights according to population) have shown that principles was only useful when in power, out of power, he will throw away everything.

Modi the moron cant seem to understand that, principles are things that need to be cultivated, it is not a given. confucius is useful in that he teaches us to cultivate this in ourself and in society as a whole. Though he thinks it is fundamental, which i think is not true. what is true is envy. but perhaps even that is true at a certain level of iq. which brings me to a decision i am now forced to agree with razib on. one has to bring iq back to the conversation, in absense of that, the left turn everything into one of discrimination and prejudice. One cant win that debate, i concede on this.

IsThisReal
IsThisReal
9 months ago

My comment is stuck in the queue?

BarendraMan
BarendraMan
9 months ago

Razib you made a post years back in 2018 about melanin index and stuff and I wonder if you still think it’s legit?.
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https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/11/13/skin-color-of-south-asian-groups/
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The study you posted said that Tamil Brahmins had a lower melanin index than UP Brahmins…the population they descend from. It also said that Reddies were lighter than UP Brahmins despite the huge Steppe discrepancy. Was that legit or does mea melanin index mean something else?

ritesh
ritesh
9 months ago

What do u think of michael witzel’s views on aryan invasion ? was that so brutal like islamic invasions ? or it was migration in batches ?

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
9 months ago

Looks like modi saw the Karnataka results and decided that incumbency against state bjp is not enough. He also needs to get in the act. The 20% tax on outward remittances plus phase out of 2000 denomination currency bills/notes are almost uniformly being criticized. Not sure what is the thinking behind these decisions without adequate planning and public confidence building.
2024 looks increasingly like 2004 🤦‍♂️.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
9 months ago

Looks like modi saw the Karnataka results and decided that incumbency against state bjp is not enough. He also needs to get in the act. The 20% tax on outward remittances plus phase out of 2000 denomination currency bills/notes are almost uniformly being criticized. Not sure what is the thinking behind these decisions without adequate planning and public confidence building. Looks like feedback loop is broken.
2024 looks increasingly like 2004 🤦‍♂️.

IsThisReal
IsThisReal
9 months ago

Do they just post shit like this for the narrative or are they really this stupid?
https://twitter.com/nameshiv/status/1660647414628220932

Saurav
Saurav
8 months ago
Reply to  IsThisReal

Not surprised.

This is what happens when you have Dravidian commenting on anything N-Indian.

Enigma
Enigma
8 months ago
Reply to  Saurav

https://www.dailyo.in/amp/politics/population-muslims-muzaffarnagar-uttarakhand-shamli-western-uttar-pradesh-hindus-sikh-demography-10631

Conclusion

In this article, we have shown the various projections of the populations of Western Uttar Pradesh. It shows that the region is going to be close to, if not actually, Muslim majority by 2061.

H.M. Brough
H.M. Brough
8 months ago
Reply to  Enigma

Bro, stop worrying about this stuff. Fertility is something that is very difficult if not impossible to increase through government policy, many have tried. Even socialist Romania only achieved transient success (before women figured out ways to circumvent pronatalist policies).

Even changing Hindu fertility rates COULD in theory be done, India could not do it, because it is a democracy with a weak and fractious state.

What is the point of worrying about something you can’t control? Just have your kids and move on with your life.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
8 months ago
Reply to  H.M. Brough

Agree with not worrying about things you can’t control and having kids. But having and advocating for more kids is also something under our control. Obviously we have more control over former than later. Hopefully setting the right example will convince other folks. But worrying is definitely the worst option.

BasedExHindu
BasedExHindu
8 months ago
Reply to  IsThisReal

Well it isn’t a major mainstream cultural phenomenon I guess, but a number of right-wing UC Hindus are Aryan supremacists. Turns out feudal caste ideology lends itself quite well in the modern political context to support for fascism…

IsThisReal
IsThisReal
8 months ago
Reply to  BasedExHindu

Half your comments on BP are just “UC” “Dalit” “Hindu Rashtra” “fascist” etc.
If you gave an alien/chatbot only NYT/WaPo/WSJ articles on India and asked it to converse, I’d expect comments like these.

Was hilarious watching you mald on the other post,

BasedExHindu
BasedExHindu
8 months ago
Reply to  IsThisReal

My arguments tend to rely on common sense and basic observations of reality. They tend to be repetitive because the other side doesn’t offer much of substance to create a need for new arguments. I note that you still haven’t explained how exactly Hindutva isn’t a fascist, caste supremacist ideology… Seems like I hit a nerve.

And yes, I hate Hindutva fascists who hate my caste, my race, and my language. Don’t argue they don’t, they prove it on daily basis. LOL

Why are you so triggered by outsiders not wanting to be part of your ethnic identity anyway? Dravidians aren’t your kinsmen.

Saurav
Saurav
8 months ago
Reply to  BasedExHindu

Finally a true Dravidian shows up unlike folks who cosplay as Dravidian on the site.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
8 months ago
Reply to  Razib Khan

While 35 year projections are just speculation, the trend can go either way (not just down). For example, Pakistan’s fertility rate and population growth, seems to have actually increased from 1.5% a year in the last census conducted in 2017 to almost 3% a year in the current 2023 census. Official numbers will be released next month., but population has grown from ~212 million to ~255 million in just 5 years (over a 20% increase in 5 years). You underestimate the combo of Islam+Indian culture on marriage and social pressure on women to reproduce. The only force that can counter this is women’s workforce participation rate that continues past the first child, which is quite low in entire Northern India.

Sumit
Sumit
8 months ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

Need to look at tfr not population growth, as that is driven partly by fluctuations in the size of previous generation in addition to immigration / emigration patterns and fertility rates.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
8 months ago
Reply to  Sumit

for western countries perhaps that have larger generational gaps and lots of immigration. But for everyone else, growth % correlates to tfr and if growth % has increased, likely TFR has also increased especially when the increase is so significant. Growth% is also more reliable because its based on census, TFR is based on a small sample size.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
8 months ago

Visegrad cheerleading taliban attacks on Iran
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1662509571334651905

phyecho1
phyecho1
8 months ago

On demography issue, we can tune into this in 10 yrs. After that, can lock the projection. Also, UP is a pretty big place, it actually deserves more seats, one can plan for redistricting. There is a solution if one intends to look for it. BJP is not interested in solutions, it is only interested in winning elections on dog whistles, on policy front it has nothing to show.

As i pointed out. one can impose severe punishment for teaching sharia or seeking such counsel. Islam as a religion is not the problem. Islam as it enforces its social logic even as a minority is unacceptable. One can even teach it. Nothing stops bjp from teaching world politics of various countries and in that, teach about islam and all its bashing there, in an objective way, without having to take a side turn of history. You can forthrightly say all that you want and also teach and make it part of syllabus, redistrict, create own institutions etc. All, if that is the aim. But if the aim is only to win elections and fool people and nothing else. you get what you get. what has bjp done on policy front.

One has to make criticism of sharia an absolute part of education system. And make it possible for ex muslims to come out.

Also, one good part of usa imposing caste law, means, India and its rightwing can use same idea of netowork based discrimination and coercion on part of minorities to make laws in this regard.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
8 months ago

apparent RJD handle comparing the plan of new parliament to a coffin. 🤦🏽‍♂️
https://twitter.com/RJDforIndia/status/1662659949414203392

Ugra
Ugra
8 months ago

Swami Prasad Maurya asking why only South Indian Brahmin seers were invited to the Sengol ceremony. Hint: All of them are not! Gangetic OBC politicians need a new 28-IQ meme.

Saurav
Saurav
8 months ago
Reply to  Ugra

N-Indians seers will get their place in the sun, next year closer to elections, during the opening of Ram temple at Ayodhya.

S-Indians seers got their bread crumbs wrt to Sengol.

Simple.

Ugra
Ugra
8 months ago
Reply to  Saurav

When Gangetic OBC politicians need help, they light the warning beacons of Gondor. And Saurav will respond!

Saurav
Saurav
8 months ago
Reply to  Ugra

The way the union is shaping it seems the south would need help more than the gangetic obc”s.

Sumit
Sumit
8 months ago

Seem India once again has higher nominal gdp per capita than Bangladesh based on April 2023 data.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD?year=2023

I hope Indian left wing people will stop bringing this up on how the current government has destroyed the economy etc now.

Saurav
Saurav
8 months ago
Reply to  Sumit

U have high hopes…

But BD ‘economic miracle’ itself seems to have run its course, now that US is gunning for Hasina

Ugra
Ugra
8 months ago

Karnataka announces free travel in public transport for women following TN’s model. Proles asking if they can identify as women following SC Chief Justice Chandrachud’s jejunery. Being woke in “low IQ” India is so depressing. Why can’t these proles understand the idealism of hi-fliers?

IsThisReal
IsThisReal
8 months ago

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1663979126598844446

Who would have guessed that the dumbest thing I’d be reading one day would be from Dawkins

Also, looks like a comment on mine is stuck in the queue once again?
It doesn’t even have any links though.

Sumit
Sumit
8 months ago
Reply to  IsThisReal

Out of the loop on this indian textbook thing.

Hinduism has a lot of bs as well ofc, but creationism is not something hindus care about generally.

The question of “why there is something rather than nothing” is not viewed primarily has a ‘creation’ type question in Hindu dharma.

Rather it is more pertains to why there is something rather than nothing in this present moment ie ‘consciousness.

The precise nature of the relationship of individuated consciousness to the god consciousness (i.e. the universe) is a matter of disagreement between the different darsana (so advaita for eg says its the same, dvaita says its seperated, vishistadvaita says its complicated etc).

Animals also have consciousness and humans aren’t fundamentally that different from animals since can be reincarnated as one etc. So it is not as big a theological problem for humans and animals to be the same class of being as it is for religions that have the concept of a ‘soul’ for humans but not for animals.

HJ
HJ
8 months ago
Reply to  Sumit

You are right. Hindus are not creationists so it’s more likely to be the anti-Western streak present among a large number of Hindu nationalists in particular and Indians in general. Usually it’s in terms of foreign policy. Iraq war, US support for Pakistan, USS Enterprise during 1971 war are common talking points but some people stretch to mean everything Western is bad. Oh no, a “Britisher” came up with the theory of evolution. It must be wrong then. Surprised they didn’t say some rishi muni living 1 million years ago originally “invented” the theory of evolution and the Britishers stole it or something. Very common cope among the whatsapp uncles.

Sumit
Sumit
8 months ago
Reply to  HJ

The WhatsApp uncle evolution cope is that the Vishnu avatars represent evolution. (Since the first avatars is a fish, then reptile, then mammal etc)

But removing evolution from textbooks doesn’t fit into my mental model of how they think.

Similarly the articles are saying they cut pollution related chapters which doesn’t make sense given how pro renewable energy , rail electrification etc BJP have been. WhatsApp uncles will extol the values of vegetarianism etc.

Without additional information I am inclined to think this is a PR hit job.

brown
brown
8 months ago

https://theprint.in/opinion/annamalai-statement-on-brahmins-opened-much-needed-dialogue-for-tamil-nadu-lay-the-past-to-rest/1607783/

Annamalai statement on Brahmins opened much-needed dialogue for Tamil Nadu—Lay the past to rest
Thus spoke Dilip Mondal. Looks interesting.

phyecho1
phyecho1
8 months ago
Reply to  brown

brownie points article.

HJ
HJ
8 months ago

It’s so cringe seeing all the Indians commenting on any Israel related video on YouTube. All the “India loves Israel”, or “India biggest supporter of Israel” comments. Like India-Israel relations are not even that close. India generally votes against Israel or at most remains neutral in the UN. But from the comments you would think India-Israel relationship is stronger than the one with the US. Yeah, I get why many Indian right wingers love Israel. Enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that but don’t think of him as your best friend lmao.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
8 months ago

Interesting graph of firewall seats since 2004 elections
https://twitter.com/narne_kumar06/status/1665345412335824896
The ~20 seats in north, coastal and central KA out of 95 that bjp has won consistently stand out.
Hope and pray bjp works on regaining support here.

brown
brown
8 months ago
Reply to  Bhumiputra

there is a talk of bjp changing candidates in coastal regions and some changes in other regions too.
if the ‘buyer’s remose’ sets in lingayaths of central and north karnataka and modi’s campaign maight help bjp claw back support there.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
8 months ago
Reply to  brown

Don’t know about other regions, but if ppl like b l Santhosh who can’t win even a gram panchayat seat in north ka keep interfering in candidate selection then be ready for more setbacks. Haven’t had a chance to go thru print ping video yet.

Saurav
Saurav
8 months ago
Reply to  Bhumiputra

I think that’s the Faustian bargain Modi has to live with. From time to time, RSS will appoint a joker to oversee elections, and Modi/BJP has to suffer an electoral defeat to sideline that joker. Ram madhav was the previous one. Similar fate awaits Santosh.

Come lok sabha elections, yedi will be again be in charge of delivering the state to BJP. Since modi won’t take chances then.

brown
brown
8 months ago

#bhumiputra and others too!!!
this is from print. bit long, but intersting. worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKzAnSvAnEE

Narasingha Deva
Narasingha Deva
8 months ago

Does anyone know of any ways to contact bhimrao. I wanted to ask him about his thoughts on the submarine deal with Germany and the jet engine deal with US

phyecho1
phyecho1
8 months ago

https://theprint.in/opinion/mughals-failed-india-in-science-just-see-what-europe-did-between-1526-and-1757/1620888/

when your arguments go mainstream but its the otherside people making the argument.

Brown Pundits