Open Thread, 2/17/2023, Brown Pundits

Nimrata Nikki Haley is running for President of the United States of American.

1) She’s a donor-class wet dream and a throwback to the pre-Trump Republican party. I don’t think this is going to work, but who knows?

2) It’s America, you do what you want, but not going to lie; Bobby Jindal was always a bit too unctuous in his urge to emphasize his American bonafides. Haley’s biography strikes me as more natural and relatable.

3) I think she may be tapped for VP on identity politics grounds by the Republican party. Interesting VP debate with Kamala Devi Harris.

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HJ
HJ
1 year ago

Met her once at an event. Had a brief conversation. Seemed nice enough. But I don’t think even she thinks she has a chance at being the nominee. She is definetely running for VP which she has a very good chance.

On the topic of Nikki Haley and the next YouTube CEO, any idea why Indians are in so many leadership positions while East Asians aren’t. In education and entry level jobs both groups are equally competent but only Indians seem to climb to top positions.

Sumit
Sumit
1 year ago
Reply to  HJ

There was a paper on this, South Asians actually face more negative stereotypes and discriminatory attitudes compared to East Asians but are more assertive.

This assertiveness is more in line with American norms on how leaders should communicate.

pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1918896117

thewarlock
thewarlock
1 year ago
Reply to  Sumit

Indians take more risk with communication on average and demand more directly. This helps in Western context.

Argumentative Indian book is decent

Hector_St_Clare
Hector_St_Clare
1 year ago
Reply to  Sumit

Nick Ostler argues in “Empires of the Word” that South Asians have had a talent for / interest in rhetoric going back 2500 years (noted by Greeks at the time and many others since) and he thinks that’s rooted in the structure of the Sanskrit language which lends itself to rhetorical complexity and wordplay more than most others.

brown_pundit_man
brown_pundit_man
1 year ago
Reply to  HJ

> any idea why Indians are in so many leadership positions while East Asians aren’t[?]

I’ll take a stab at it. I think that the Indians that I’ve met and interacted with basically like their culture more than people of Wast Asian descent, with the exception of Japanese. So this cultural self-respect permeates through all channels of their persona.

The Chinese and Korean origin people are all “Simons” and “Wendy’s,” and they’re all ernest, very competent, and don’t want to upset the people whom they regard as being their cultural “elder brothers,” who gave them their religion and names. Indians, on the other hand, take initiative, may have better soft skills, and can think calculatingly like dacoits.

Vikram
1 year ago
Reply to  HJ

East Asians are much more likely to own and operate a wide variety of businesses. I think the more assertive East Asians just tend to have their own independent work.

The actually assertive Indians typically do not immigrate. They have a lot of avenues in India ranging from business to politics to media to activism.

Sundar Pichai and Nadella would have finished up as high level managers in L&T, Tata or central secretaries. Dhirubhai Ambani in the US would have been one of the richest people in that country.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago

the sample HRP0278 from the HarappaWorld spreadsheet is interesting. The user commented on the harappadna.org site and he mentioned that he was full Bangladeshi with roots in Nilphamari and Dinajpur both of which are in Rangpur Division, Bangladesh. My roots can also be traced back to Dinajpur. He also said that he had distant ancestry from Darjeeling which I believe I have as well.. Very interesting guy, but this was from 10 years ago lol he posted all this in 2013 🙁
He had 18-19% Asian on HarappaWorld and higher on simulated g25 runs on nmonte. He also mentioned that nobody in his family mentioned anything of a foreign origin and they were Bangladeshi through and through for at least 4 origins back at the very least.

Him and I score similar amounts of Asian, S-Ind and other components lol

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  PencilMan

Interestingly enough, HRP0278 scores exactly the same as the 2 Assamese Kalita results in the database! He is of Muslim background though, so it seems that it is true that the region is transititionary with Assam one could say. I was thinking about it but his results are the same. Not even anything else.

phyecho1
phyecho1
1 year ago

I thought AGI is not likely in 100 yrs, now it looks likely in 50 yrs, it could even be 5 yrs. My bet that AGI will come before islamic reformation seems to be coming true. There will probably be multiple AGIs as well. Before 2075, we should have sufficiently powerful AIs. In next 25 yrs, we should have robots, specialized or otherwise in multiple areas.

ABC
ABC
1 year ago

Razib, how many generations and/or years would it have taken for the West Eurasian sub races like EEF, CHG etc. to become genetically distinct from one another? Thank you.

SMVeeta
SMVeeta
1 year ago

Haley seems to think that she can somewhat use the press as a conventional old-school Republican, which will be her downfall. All the major players are part and parcel of the Democratic Party. They’re going to invoke her as a ward against Trump and DeSantis but then eat her alive the second she becomes too popular.

brown_pundit_man
brown_pundit_man
1 year ago

Nikki will get a lot of votes because she’s so white-adjacent, a corporate stooge, and is a really quite competent. I also see her as THE VP NOMINATION.

Roy
Roy
1 year ago

Nimrata is doing the Republican grift. One can deduct stays at five star hotels, flying on private jets and meals at expensive restaurants as campaign expenses. She is exploiting the anti-Trump sentiment among Republicans and Democrats to live the good life.

Aditya
Aditya
1 year ago

My potentially offensive and controversial take: It is impossible to be “Indian” without belonging to a specific Indian community. Unless you’re from an area where there are enough Indians where there will be enough of any given community, you’ll likely just assimilate completely into Euro-American norms and become a coconut.

East Asians, on the other hand, are way less siloed. It is easy enough to build a Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese, or Vietnamese community and kids area easily exposed to their culture – so while they’re externally Western, they are internally quite community oriented in their thinking.

I believe this is why South Asians can get ahead in many situations, while East Asians are excluded from leadership. If Nimrata grew up in California, she’d be much more Sikh, Punjabi, and less palatable for Republican selection.

thewarlock
thewarlock
1 year ago

Hope Nikki surges. She is awesome

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago

A diaspora Bangladeshi farmer turned businessman has made the biggest agricultural farm in the UAE apparently. Neat stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3DDX34ja9Y
He employs other folks from Bangladesh. He’s at 1:57.

Very typical Bangladeshi looking folks. Would not be seen as locals and would stand out outside of West Bengal/Assam perhaps. The businessman and the first farmhand(?) looks local Assamese. The 1st is from Barisal, in south-central Bangladesh.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago

I have been reading random stuff and I came across some interesting articles regarding Assamese separatists. They formed groups like the United Liberation Front of Assam to fight for the liberation of Assam and when there were issues apparently in the 80s and 90s, many top leadesr and cadres migrated to Bangladesh (even though politically they opposed Bengali folks/culture in Assam!).

Some of the people that left and stayed in Bangladesh for DECADES without arousing suspicion from anyone but the intelligence agencies were Arabinda Rajkhowa(aka Mijanur Rahman Choudhury lol what a standar name), Anup Chetia(Ahmed), Raju Baruah(Anees Ahmed). etc

Their children grew up in Bangladesh and spoke Bengali and thought they were Bengali and didn’t even know they were Assamese until the identities of their fathers were revealed to them!

Here is the Anup Chetia guy talking with some Bangladeshi news channel. One small thing he mentions which is seemingly regular and nothing much is the fact that there were Assamese Muslim people who migrated to Bangladesh who they were acquainted with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEo6sfHAWbo&list=PLogS8Pmt84MmFm_saUV0VN-8qlYkgbhxx&index=1

His daughter is actually marrying this Bangladeshi guy named Anirban Chowdhury, they met while she was in school in Dhanmondi. Pretty intriguing stuff. Think that’s why he was there. getting blessing from some of his local friends. Side note, his daughter Bonya Baruah looks very similar to my aunt LOL

https://en.shampratikdeshkal.com/bibidh/news/221033715/ulfa-leader-anup-chetias-daughter-gets-married-to-bangladeshi-youth

Ugra
Ugra
1 year ago

Funny to see Soros totter-drunk into the Adani saga and remind everyone that there might be a political angle after all.

Also why Adani needs to invest more in peddling influence on all continents. Tata and NRN do it with style in the US, as does Reliance in the Middle East. Adani, after depletion, still holds more worth (50bUSD) than Soros (7 bUSD). Elephants getting tickled by mice.

Ugra
Ugra
1 year ago

As Pakistan faces a huge economic crisis with dwindling foreign reserves and rising prices of essential commodities, the country’s defence minister has dropped a bombshell, saying that Islamabad has already gone bankrupt and has defaulted on its loans. The minister was speaking at an event in Sialkot. He said that now Pakistan needs to get back on its feet. The statement by the defence minister is sure to worsen the already sullen mood in the country, where there have been fights over essential commodities like flour.

Feb 19, 2023, 08:14AM ISTSource: Mirror Now

I am reminded of Hemingway in this exchange between two of his characters.

“How did you go bankrupt?” Bill asked.

“Two ways,” Mike said. “Gradually, then suddenly.”

Vikram
1 year ago
Reply to  Ugra

The Pakistan crisis is a problem of the sovereign, not of households. Sovereign debt crisis can be problematic for smaller nations like Sri Lanka who rely on imports for almost all of their food and fuel. It is less likely to be an issue for countries like Pakistan, which do have significant capacity to grow food and decent natural resources.

The crisis might be an issue in the long term due to the reduction it causes in savings and investment rates, which are already low in Pakistan.

None of this has any bearings on India’s concerns about Pakistan, which are centered on security. Our only option in the medium term is to make it as difficult as possible for Pakistan to launch terror attacks in India.

Ugra
Ugra
1 year ago
Reply to  Vikram

Pakistan is a net food and fuel importer for many years now.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago
Reply to  Razib Khan

If interested can circulate and ask Sri Lankans to send their raw data file. At least one person, if they can download their raw data file from 23andMe.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago


Here is an excerpt from ‘Caste-based Discrimination in South Asia: A Study of Bangladesh’ by Iftekhar Uddin Chowdhury regarding some of the latter groups.

Most Dalits, particularly the untouchables among the Hindus in Bangladesh, are the descendants of Indians from Bihar, Uttar Pradesh (Kanpur, Hamirbag, and Jobbalpur), Andhra Pradesh and many other parts like Gourakpur, Chapra, Uriya, Maddaparpur, Baliha, Patna, Motihari, and Bhagalpur. From the inception of setting up the capital in Dhaka by Islam Khan during Mughal regime in 1608, sweepers were appointed for cleaning activities. It is a common opinion that they had been brought largely by the British colonial regime to provide menial services for them since 1830s. They have been popularly known as ‘Methor’ (derived from Persian word Mihtar’ literaly meaning ruler/prince) that signifies degradation and disgust. (Asaduz Zaman 2001). The major Hindu Dalits include Bashpor (bury dead body and speak Bhojpuri and Hindi), Dom (bury dead body and help postmortem and speak Bhojpuri), Hadi/Hela (sweeper and speak Telegu), Domer (Sweeper/cleaner speak Jabbalpuri and Hindi), Lalbegi/Vulmiki (sweeper/cleaner speak Urdu and Hindi), Kolu (traditional oil presser and speak Bangla), Pasi (collector of palm and date juice and speak Bhojpuri), Risi /Tanner (shoe/leather worker and speak Bangla), Muchi/Chamar (shoe and leather worker and speak Hindi), Harijon/Methor (sweeper/cleaner and speak Jabbalpuri and Hindi), Harijon/methor (sweeper/cleaner and speak Telegu), Mala (tea garden worker/sweeper and speak Telegu), Madiga (sweeper/tea garden worker/drum beater and speak Telegu), Sabari (sweeper and speak Telegu), Chakli (washer men and speak Telegu), Jaladas (fishermen and speak Bangla), Bede (healing and entertainer with snake/monkey etc. and speak Bangla), Sutradhar (carpenter and speak Bangla), Karmakar (blacksmith and speak Bangla), Kulal/Kuar/Kumor (potter and speak Bangla), Jugi (bamboo work and speak Bangla), Napit (barber and speak Bangla), Sharnakar (goldsmith and speak Bangla), Goala (milk seller and speak Bangla), Dhopa ( washer men and speak Bangla), Bainna Bede (food collector after harvest and speak Bangla), Mali (gardener/cleaner and speak Bangla), Masuwara (pig rearing and speak Bangla), Tati (weaver and speak Bangla), Mushaheries (mice and eel eater), Dholak (drum beater) and so on.

Interesting stuff and explains a lot from what I have seen.

thewarlock
thewarlock
1 year ago

https://twitter.com/ArainGang/status/1619394974692544512?s=20

I genuinely think he finds old racist British descriptions to be titillating. The guy is aroused by old presuppositions that support his confirmation biases. He is very careful to just selectively mention those which hold groups in the regard he tends to see them in. He then thinks he is being clever by saying “but don’t take this stuff seriously.” His bigotry fools no one. Everyone saw through his shanenigans when he posted the map with absolutely horrendous G25 fits. He is the epitome of motivated reasoning. A person only fueled by ideology and propaganda. Reason serves those purposes for him. Truth means little because either by conscious or unconscious belief, he is too obstinate to actually have facts shape his views, rather seeming them only has tools for his garden of hateful heuristics.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/nano-to-air-india-what-sets-india-s-swag-apart-now-11676827945725.html

This is not the first time I have read in newspapers that the nation is optimistic, but this is the first time I am taking part in it. I did not consider India’s future bright after Pokhran, or during the tech boom from 1998 to 2000, or when India was apparently “shining”, or when Tata Steel bought Corus, which was the largest Indian acquisition at the time.

What was the big deal in exploding a bomb, that too one we did not invent? In fact, what I saw in the rejoicing of the Pokhran tests was a deep sense of cultural inferiority of some Indians who had migrated to the West; they were the ones who were the most ecstatic. I was unmoved by “India shining” because in my 20s, India was not shining for me, nor did it for the millions who conveyed this message at voting booths.

But today, the economic optimism around me has a calm certainty about it, despite the classical fears and uncertainties in the lives of working people. Away from a few dismal professions, all of which are in the media, people are preparing to thrive. They are ready for an age of political stability provided by a right-wing government that reflects the provincial practicality of a majority of new Indians. They are preparing for an age of economic opportunities, of widespread adoption of the internet and the smart phone, a dramatic increase in retail bets on the stock market in the form of mutual funds. And, of course, a boom in air travel.

Branch Dravidian
Branch Dravidian
1 year ago

Audacity of Indian Americans I swear haha. Most of us only reached America’s shores in the last thirty years and we think we have earned the right to helm the ship. We’re at least a century away before we can even consider going for the President. Our ethnic political clout is still grassroots, heck even Italian Americans who have been here since the late 19th century haven’t given it a go. Need to slow our roll a bit.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago

‘Branch Dravidian” lmaooo what a top tier username hahahah

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  PencilMan

Bangladeshi trolling Dravidian..

What multiverse am i living in ?

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  Saurav

[vulgar comment redacted]

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  Saurav

Yeah I wasn’t insulting him or trolling him or making fun of him. I was laughing because his username was a good one, cuz it was a reference to a cult in America called the Branch Davidians and how it was connected to Waco.

Saurav, you should learn to read or just stay in your lane and not say anything. You’re clueless.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  PencilMan

Oh sure, will remember to stay within my lane, especially next time, when we talking anything remotely Indian… 🙂

Naveen
Naveen
1 year ago

Twenty years after an Irishman couldn’t get a fucking job, we had the presidency. May he rest in peace.

brown
brown
1 year ago

one always thought rakhi sawant’s marriage as a joke and a propaganda thing. looks like it is serious, sad and farce. adil is a real leach, very much unlike a typical mysorean. i always thought that we was taken on a ride, looks otherwise now.
really sad.

HJ
HJ
1 year ago

https://apnews.com/article/seattle-discrimination-india-religion-49843c779c8f3d60720bc1e2c71a952a

Seattle City Council to ban caste discrimination.

Look your not going to stop such laws. In an average person’s mind, why would anyone oppose prohibition of “X” discrimination unless they do in fact discriminate based on “X”. This is how all the anti-racial, sex, age etc discrimations law were pushed through in the past. Accusations of anti-Hinduism won’t do anything lmao. The wealthiest religious demographic in the country makes for poor victims. And American elites are not sympathetic to religion. The only ones they were sympathetic to were Islam and perhaps Judaism and even that sympathy is going down the drain these days.

phyecho1
phyecho1
1 year ago
Reply to  HJ

They ran away from India, now here too they find it being applied to them. What are they going to do?. Run or stay and find a way out.

Pandit Brown
Pandit Brown
1 year ago

My fantasy (a nightmare perhaps to many):

Nikki and Vivek are on the GOP ticket, in either order.

Kamala and Pramila are on the Democratic ticket.

America will then be part of India, fulfilling the age old dream of the Aryans! 🙂

brown
brown
1 year ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

three of the four are dravidians.

Pandit Brown
Pandit Brown
1 year ago
Reply to  brown

Have you been around here much, and are familiar with the genetic literature? “Dravidians” have a fair amount of “Aryan” in them too.

Anyway, it was meant to be a joke.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

‘ “Dravidians” have a fair amount of “Aryan” in them too’

oh my Periyar!

brown
brown
1 year ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

well actually no!
kamala’s iyer mother is a full ‘aryan’ as per the current ‘science’ in dravida nadu.
pramila’s father is a menon, who might not be comfortable calling himself a dravidian,
vivek is posing to ba a ‘ low caste’. !!!

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago

March Madness is round the corner, i.e. Big Match (School Cricket, against traditional rivals).

The clip below is from the Royal Thomian, purportedly the longest annual school cricket (143rd this year 2023) and the second longest after the Ashes.

I am a third gen from my paternal side and second gen from my maternal side in the best school of the two.

Anyway, this is the Stallion Tent (I am a member). where middle aged (50’s) and old geezers (like me 64 and plus) become school boys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrhvOI6YTYQ

Vikram
1 year ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Do you have a hypothesis about what happened to Sri Lankan cricket ? They have been getting weaker every year since Mahela and Sangakara retired.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago
Reply to  Vikram

Too much interference by politicians.
Because its big money the politicians want their chaps to be involved.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago

The local language of Rangpur, referred to as the “anchalik-bhasha”, called Rangpuriya/Rajbanshi. Transitional with the language of the Assamese. My parents can speak this and I can understand it without the subtitles in prope/”shuddo” Bangla.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlLPq-2x4iA

Bhawaiya is also a traditional type of folk song common to North Bengal/Assam.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  PencilMan

It’s an important language commemoration day in Bangladesh and it seems a lot of local news segments are done in the “local” language of the region. here is the segment done in the Rajshahi local language/”anchalik bhasha”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWXmRFRNHRk

Hoju
Hoju
1 year ago
Reply to  PencilMan

In India there is a movement among some Rajbanshis to have their own Indian state carved out of West Bengal. They argue that many Indian states were created on the basis of ethnolinguistic differences and they have a distinct language and are a distinct group and therefore deserve a state as well.

What is the relationship between the Rajbanshis and Bengalis? Just a dialect? Largely one and the same? Or distinctive and different?

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  Hoju

Hoju,
Yeah it’s a bit complicated I think. From what I’ve seen, it seems most of them have adopted Bengali/Assamese identities and have assimilated into these respective societies, for the most part.
Former Bangladesh president Muhammad Ershad was from the Nashya Shaikh community and he was born in Cooch Behar and these were people who were referred to as the Koch from long ago and they became known as the Rajbanshi Muslims, a part of them at least. They made up 23% of the population of Cooch Behar in 1891 so they were pretty significant.
Abbasuddin Ahmed was another person of relevance in regards to this. He was a bhawaiya exponent, a kind of folk singing native to Rangpur, Cooch Behar and Assam and he was born in Cooch Behar too. His daughter is Ferdausi Rahman. Forget about being 18% Asian like most Rangpur folks, she looks more than 50% Asian.
Another thing is that there is clear genetic similarity in these regions. I’ve done runs on many folks, these are private samples, with simulated k36 coordinates and there is definite a lot of connections.
Frankly, those people them Rajbongshis should definitely be given their own state if they’re asking for it.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago

https://twitter.com/DivaJain2/status/1627909278165094400

Foreign capital continues to flow gushingly to China even as China’s top deal maker does a Feluda-esque Dushtu log vanish act 🙂
Shows how little western capital cares for rule of law, FoE, quality of institutions etc etc which IND is accused of lacking 🙂

Vikram
1 year ago
Reply to  Saurav

In economic matters, absolute comparisons between India and China matter little since their economy is seven times ours in size. A better metric is FDI as %age of GDP, where China’s decline is clear to see.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.KLT.DINV.WD.GD.ZS?locations=CN-1W-IN

China was the premier destination for international capital for nearly two decades. India, not so much. Our growth is mostly based on internal consumption (not a bad of thing) with a tadka of remittances and software/IT exports.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago
Reply to  Vikram

international capital often equates to capital from the west.
Chinese (and Russian) capital etc is hyped as a debt trap. (eg Sri Lanka and Ethiopia)

To a great extent foreign capital often means change in laws and rules to favor the capital.

China and India are unique in that they can dictate the rules. Because of their huge populations, they cab dictate the rules. The capital salivates at the prospect of making a dollar profit/year by selling to the local economy. Thats a billion dollars a year, nothing to sneeze at. Specially China because it is a unified country, by language, so no necessity for ads in different languages. Also dont have to deal with the vagaries of different party ideals in a democracy

The Chinese knew the game from the start (40 years ago), they wrested technology transfer more than share of profits. The long game.T

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago
Reply to  Vikram

I would add that Capital loves Dictatorships and Autocrats. A stable environment as long as dictatorships last. Also just need to deal with “one” person. In contrast in democracy need to deal with different people down the line. In the west that is codified into various regulations, eg environmental, hiring of certified workers, property tax etc which means money paid along the line.

That was the case with the Rajapakses, if they gave the OK, smooth sailing after that. No necessity to negotiate and bribe down the line to the peon.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
1 year ago

I am pretty sure that others have noticed/said this before… it is amusing that the intellectual and political heirs of Protestant rebellion against papal authority are now busy issuing indulgences on democratic behavior to other countries.

The path to modi victory in 24 is far from assured. With top honcho coming out openly, the overt and covert attacks will only increase and test the nation’s resolve.

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
1 year ago
Reply to  Bhumiputra

Given that ‘24 outcome could go either way, I hope modi/bjp leave behind some anchors to stage an eventual comeback. One aspect is the narrative shaping. Towards this end, a parliamentary resolution regarding foreign interference in IN politics should be considered in latter half of the year. Preferably a joint session with all pomp and ceremony. The wording should be such that no reasonable party should be able to oppose without unmasking themselves as foreign stooges.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/seattle-becomes-first-us-city-outlaw-caste-discrimination-after-council-vote-2023-02-22/

Seattle becomes first U.S. city to outlaw caste discrimination after council vote

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/18/sports/ncaabasketball/stanford-ryan-agarwal.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytsports

‘This Stanford Freshman Wants His Play to Represent India
Ryan Agarwal, a Cardinal shooting guard who was born in Texas, is hoping to increase Indian representation in the N.C.A.A. and beyond.’

Banias be wildin…

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago

Looks a lot like where I live. No wild coconut trees though, wild elephants destroy them. Coconut trees in Sri Lanka imply human habitation and trees owned and protected by people.

If you have never tried Scotch Bonnet chillies (Capsicum chinense), try it out. Available in the US around areas where Jamaican and Caribbean peoples live. In Sri Lanka very similar called “nai miris”, i.e. cobra chilli.

Scoville Heat Units
Scotch Bonnet……….100,000 to 350,000
Habanero………………150,000 to 575,000
Birds Eye (Kochi) …..50,000 to100,000 (Tabasco pepper)
jalapeno…………………….2,000 to 8,000

From wiki
The Scotch bonnet has a sweeter flavor and stouter shape, distinct from its habanero relative with which it is often confused, and gives jerk dishes (pork/chicken) and other Caribbean dishes their unique flavor. Scotch bonnets are mostly used in West Africa, West Indian, Sri Lankan, and Maldivian cuisines and pepper sauces

Catching and Cooking Crab with Jamaican Family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLc0vTkpga0

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
1 year ago

Laos. Elephant and demising.
Almost 50 years since the end of the Vietnam war, Laos still has unexploded bombs.
Between 2011 and 2012 they found 15,000 bombs Thats almost 20 bombs found per day, even after 50 years since the war ended.

From 1964 to 1973, the U.S. dropped more than 2.5M tons of ordnance on Laos during 580,000 bombing sorties—equal to a planeload of bombs every eight minutes, 24 hours a day, for nine years – making Laos the most heavily bombed country per capita in history.

Thank goodness we in SL did not have the US directly involved in our civil war.

Laos, the land of the golden triangle | Roads of the impossible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSg8veU8kM

Sumit
Sumit
1 year ago

So according to Varna classification…

Republican – Nikki Haley is a shudra
Democrat – Kamala Harris is a brahmin.

What percentage of Americans would know this ?

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  Sumit

Kamala is half black, so she has lost her Varna status. More a mleccha

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  Sumit

Nikki too is married a mleccha, so doesn’t fall under any Varna status

Sumit
Sumit
1 year ago
Reply to  Saurav

Well technically since they left Indian subcontinent they become Mleccha

Functionally also mleccha since caste doesn’t factor into their lives.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  Sumit

Wouldn’t say ‘leaving subcontinent’ makes Mleccha. Number of traders used to travel, still maintaining there Varna status. Its mostly Brahmins who had ‘leaving subcontinent’ taboo on them.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  thewarlock

thewarlock re:that infedility article

Holy shit lmaoo that is some truly appalling and truly cucked bullshit. It doesn’t surprise me though, a large part of the word is extremely gynocentric and just caters to females and their whims.

thewarlock
thewarlock
1 year ago

@Razib

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMcibr2208625

Good read. You likely are already aware

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
1 year ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/Aristos_Revenge/status/1628563057474412547
Discussion between tucker and Shapiro on free markets.
This combined with SoKo tumbling fertility should be good reality check against gdp per capita as sole objective to target.
Some memorable turn of phrase I came across on twtr — “the trouble with liberalism is that you run out of other people’s children.”

thewarlock
thewarlock
1 year ago

Haley will be VP of DeSantis. She believes American exceptionalism and that America has a great future moving forward. She is Woke’ worst nightmare. Yes, she does cozy up a bit too much to Neocons, but we saw her anti globalist streak in the UN. She is pro democracy and calls out China. She even pushes for India to be in the UNSC, even when she was less politically relevant. She also balanced critiquing Trump and not upsetting him, a display of emotional stability masterclass. Hopefully, she becomes Madam President one day.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago

https://twitter.com/nand_bo/status/1628284300675383296

‘Most Dalits and ST/ SC/ OBC lineage in India are of the original inhabitants whereas UCs are settlers. If you seek parallels it is the same Native American versus White settlers narrative. Except the cleverly masked caste dominance designed to last forever.’

brown
brown
1 year ago

javed akhtar knew where he was going and what he would do there. it is not that, his plane on way to antarctica was force landed in pak. he had a good time in pak and as an after thought before leaving just threw an anti pak remark as a risk cover policy, when he would be asked questions in ‘hindu india’.
looks too cleaver by half.

brown
brown
1 year ago

@@## clever- he he

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago

https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/author/razib-khan/

Few points

‘But the idea that caste discrimination is pervasive in the US is a manufactured narrative by a few activists, woke Indians, and useful non-Indian idiots who have never seen a social justice cause they could say no to (also some frog-nazis who just hate Indians on racial/ethnic competition grounds). Many of the “data” on caste discrimination comes from Equality Labs, an activist organization that used “snowball sampling.” That means the survey went out to people in the Equality Labs network.

When Paragh Agrawal became CEO of Twitter frog-Nazis, brown anti-caste SJWs started decrying Brahin supremacy. The problem is Agrawal is a clear non-Brahmin Bania name. It would be like people assuming Ron DeSantis is of Mayflower stock. Yes, they’re that stupid.’

And to the most important part

‘Sawant is a socialist, and she believes in social justice. Her family’s background is Tamil Brahmin, like Kamala Harris’ mother.’

Always the Heretic. Less-Hindu be less Hindu, always…

Ugra
Ugra
1 year ago
Reply to  Saurav

All Kshama Sawant has to do is burn the Ramcharitmanas like a good Gangetic OBC. Then our Gungadin will call her a real Hindu.

Saurav
Saurav
1 year ago
Reply to  Saurav

https://twitter.com/arunv2808/status/1629157106489376773

‘Dravidians in TN opposed to CAA laws claiming it is discriminatory towards Muslims, and how Tamil culture believes “the world is One”.

The same Dravidian clowns oppose Vadakkans (Northies) coming to TN.

Welcome to the land of lemuriyas.’

Hypocrisy so large, that even their own pointing it out. ☝️

Sumit
Sumit
11 months ago
Reply to  Saurav

According to urban dictionary they started calling people from Combinatore “Tamil Vadakkans” after BJP won

Roy
Roy
1 year ago

Pakistani Immigrant Charged In Vote Fraud Scheme After Arrest For Illegal Gambling, Money Laundering, And Other Crimes

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/lodi-city-council-member-shakir-khan-arrested-now-faces-voter-fraud-charges/

principia
principia
1 year ago

I’ve said for a long time that “Love Jihad” is a red herring. Intermarriage across Hindus and moslems is tiny. The big driver of moslem growth has been TFR differentials. But now even that is collapsing.

https://twitter.com/Aaronal16/status/1629110460694859777/photo/1

The demographic panic of RW Hindus is simply unlikely to ever materialise.

Hector_St_Clare
Hector_St_Clare
11 months ago
Reply to  principia

Pew (or someone else, but I think it was Pew) ran the numbers a while back and estimated that the Muslim population of India will stabilize at about 20% and not exceed that.

Hoju
Hoju
11 months ago
Reply to  principia

Unfortunately for many Hindu nationalists census data doesn’t matter.

For example, many self identifying Hindus in states outside the core Hindu nationalist region are simply deemed to be ‘crypto Christian’ for voting against the Hindu nationalist agenda.

Some of them also believe in and spread wild conspiracy theories like Nehru actually being a Muslim.

The actual number of Muslims and Christians in India doesn’t matter all that much to Hindu nationalists. Any Hindu who disagrees with their political agenda becomes a Muslim or Christian, as the case may be.

brown
brown
1 year ago

I am sure Congress or bjp’s response to amritpal Singh’s bluster would have been same.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago

Now that I think about it that deluded Bengali Son Goku guy who kept saying that his grandpa looked like Pashtun or something but that Mamata Banerjee was atypical (LMAO what a deluded dumbfuck) was probably the user Kulin from Anthrogenica. Both of them are from Comilla and both of them say the most stupidest shit imaginable as one would expect from typical Anthrogenica posters.

I didn’t realize it then but they are definitely one and the same.

thewarlock
thewarlock
1 year ago
Reply to  PencilMan

Why is your rhetoric so demeaning? You can call someone ignorant of facts, if that’s your opinion, in a nicer way. Sometimes, I think you lose some of your potential audience by the words you choose. I think you can appreciate that there are more suave ways to make the same points.

PencilMan
PencilMan
1 year ago
Reply to  thewarlock

yeah Razib pointed this out a while back too. I’m very uncouth when it comes to communicating online it seems. Sometimes I should think about the optics here as well

Yes
Yes
11 months ago
Reply to  PencilMan

I believe he also was on TheApricity by the name of Shah-Jehan with the same profile picture as his current one.

PencilMan
PencilMan
11 months ago
Reply to  Yes

user Yes,

Yep, good call now that you mention it. He had the “K” avatar or something like that and he was LARPing as “part-Persian” even though he’s full Bangla. He was actually serious about it too, like it wasn’t some joke he genuinely referenced it quite a bit and went along with the whole charade. It’s so ridiculous bro.

He posted this thing on Anthrogenica a while back where he said that a distant ancestor of his from the 1600s was a Mughal Subadar Zamindar by the name of Shyam Roy who married a Persian princess and blah di blah he’s descended from them. Now, I’m pretty sure this is also untrue, him being descended from them I mean, we all know the kind of fanciful tales South Asian folks make up, hell anybody but I really need these motherfuckers to stop this nonsense. This is seriously cringe and very embarassing. Do these guys not have even a bit of self-respect, do they not cringe while writing these things? Even if that story of his was true, that would mean this guy’s claiming to be “part Persian” despite the fact that it’s like 0.000000000001% of his bloodline(from the 1600s). Seriously?

I know that there are many lurkers here who see these comments. Listen up motherfuckers do NOT do this kind of corny shit (we wuz persians pashtuns n shiet like those black history copers).

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago

A MUST read. (Read comments too).
University of Cambridge in the UK harmonized surveys conducted in 137 countries
“Europe has to grow out of the mindset that Europe’s problems are the world’s problems, but the world’s problems are not Europe’s problems.”
6.3 billion people who live outside of the West, 66 percent feel positively towards Russia and 70 percent feel positively towards China
Among the 66 percent who feel positively about Russia the breakdown is 75 percent in South Asia, 68 percent in Francophone Africa, and 62 percent in Southeast Asia

5 Reasons Why Much of the Global South Isn’t Automatically Supporting the West in Ukraine

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/02/5-reasons-why-much-of-the-global-south-isnt-automatically-supporting-the-west-in-ukraine.html

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago

The ‘Great Game’ in Asia: A new struggle between China, the US and India is unfolding in Nepal
Will Nepal succumb to the US charm offensive and incur China’s wrath, as India loses the plot? </B

https://www.rt.com/india/572095-great-game-in-asia/

phyecho1
phyecho1
11 months ago

https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/cong-old-vote-bank-promise-rohith-vemula-act-backwards-minorities-8468018/

As i said here gentlemen, i said modi breaking 50% quota with 10% ews was horrible, now this is being extended across all areas, including private sector as well. congress is goind down the TN model as i pointed out and many here refused to believe. less hindu more hindu nonsense.

brown
brown
11 months ago
Reply to  phyecho1

there appears to be some mis information regarding obc reservations. i can give some info on the karnataka case. here only sc/st have no income bar, thus son of an ias officer can get reservation. however in case of obcs there is an income bar. hence people with high verifiable incomes cannot get this facility and they will have to try in the general merit category.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago
Reply to  brown

brown and phyecho1

I suggest those who comment on caste reservations disclose their caste. No necessity to be specific. e.g Vedic Caste/Forward Caste or Shudra and below while remaining anonymous.

That way can judge if there is bias.

phyecho1
phyecho1
11 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

one is talking abt cs reservation in pvt sector, not govt sector where help from govt is understandable. If disclosure is required to discuss the topic, then what is the point of argument and discussion on anything at all. The advantage of anonymity is precisely that people argue on substance. My model is to give incentives for Inter caste marriages in a big way. That way, the problem collapses in couple of decades.

PencilMan
PencilMan
11 months ago

This guy named Chandika Hathurusingha became the coach of the Bangla cricket team. Don’t care for cricket,was just on the news. The dude’s Sri Lankan and he looks very much like the famous Mohenjo-Daro priest, like even more of a carbon copy than you would thin.

thewarlock
thewarlock
11 months ago
Reply to  PencilMan

Modi does to am extent too. That guy passes quite well as a Guju Patel. IVC as a major S Asian ancestry component is quite visible all over. It shows its subcontinental legacy.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago
Reply to  PencilMan

Chandika Hathurusingha: Never heard of the chap till you mentioned. But then I am not interested in cricket.

No mention in Wiki is the school he attended. Very unusual. Turns out he attended Veluwana College/School in Dematagoda. Thats a kind of slum/industrial area in North Colombo. Like saying you went to a school in Dharavi.

From Wiki
He was also the former head coach of the Sri Lanka national cricket team.[1] Hathurusingha also worked as the head coach of the Bangladesh national cricket team between 2014 to 2017 and 2023 to be continued.

He has also coached the United Arab Emirates, the Sri Lanka A cricket team, New South Wales and Sydney Thunder.

Up to 2017, he is the most successful coach to ever get involved in Bangladesh cricket, with ODI series victories against India, Pakistan and South Africa, and Test victories against Sri Lanka (away), England and Australia. During his tenure, Bangladesh moved higher in Team Rankings and qualified for the 2017 ICC Champions Trophy and directly qualified for 2019 ICC Cricket World Cup as well. He has rejoined as the Head Coach of Bangladesh Cricket Team in February, 2023 for two more years. [14]

Upul Chandika Hathurusingha උපුල් චන්දික හතුරුසිංහ; born 13 September 1968
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandika_Hathurusingha

thewarlock
thewarlock
11 months ago

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/chandigarh/haryana-sarpanches-chandigarh-police-lathi-charge-protesters-8473914/

Usual case of rural feudal lord rent seekers protecting their interests. A huge hindrance for India’s development. I am all for local control. But these Panchayats have hardly any transparency and a surplus of oppressive powers.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago
Reply to  thewarlock

Got interested in two words in the article.
The sarpanches wanted to gherao the residence of the chief minister in Chandigarh

The easy one, sarpanche.
There is a surname Serpanchy, semi common among Eurasians/Burghers. Most of them have emigrated tp Australia and the West.
eg: Everard Anthony Serpanchy
https://gw.geneanet.org/dmmason?lang=en&n=serpanchy&oc=0&p=everard+anthony

More tenuous: gherao = grero
Not a common name, but very well known. eg Mohan Lal Grero is a Sri Lankan educationist and politician.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
11 months ago

Javed Akhtar says he did not see any slums in Pakistan because according to him, poor people may not be allowed to come to cities

https://twitter.com/OSINT_Insider/status/1630972150541582361

He’s on a roll, saying stupid things..

Sumit
Sumit
11 months ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

Mumbai, where Javed lives, is weird in that the slums are in the middle of the most valuable real estate (dhobi ghat, Dharavi).

There are random fishing villages in the middle of the city next to sky scrapers (worli koliwada) which are basically glorified slums.

A lot of people sell / rent out their slum rehab housing and going back to live in informal housing/ slums. Slum dwellers in Mumbai have significant political influence since they are in the majority (Average Indian cannot afford housing there)

So this is the sort of integration and scale of
slums he is comparing with, it is quite exceptional even relative to other places in India.

Sumit
Sumit
11 months ago

Relatively recent (141 generations, so maybe 4000 years ?) Indian gene-flow found in Australian Aborigines

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.12219

thewarlock
thewarlock
11 months ago
Reply to  Sumit

Cholas really got busy everywhere

Sumit
Sumit
11 months ago
Reply to  thewarlock

Pre chola – not use if IVC or AASI

I would bet IVC if AASI then that changes a lot of things.

It is about 11% in Northern Australia.

The Dingo which is reLated to Indian landrace dogs probably introduced in this period.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago
Reply to  thewarlock

@warlock (thanks for the link)
4,000 years ago (2,000 BC) is before Vedic or Dravidian incursions into India. No Cholas at that time.

We (as in Shudra and Dalits) were big travelers even in 2000 BC.

I wonder why these people left a reasonably nice area, like South India/Sri Lanka to travel thousands of miles to Northern Australia. WanderLust ?

Sumit
Sumit
11 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Sbarrkum,

Shudras and Dalits have steppe ancestry. And Brahmins have IVC and AASI.

4000 year ago there was no conception of Shudra and Dalit.

Perhaps they were maratime traders?

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
11 months ago
Reply to  Sumit

Sumit
Shudras and Dalits have steppe ancestry. And Brahmins have IVC and AASI.

These were the people who became Shudras and Dalits after Aryan/Steppe and Dravidian invasions around 100BC or later.

Note these migration are 2000 BC, around time of Harappa.

Brahamins by self definition are Aryan/Steppe vedic descendants. They would not like to acknowledge AASI/Dalit genes.

Incidentally the Pariah dogs are like Lankans/India. Wont learn tricks unless advantageous to them
Dingo’s relative
https://sbarrkum.blogspot.com/2012/03/pariah-dog-and-sinhala-hound.html

Sumit
Sumit
11 months ago
Reply to  Sumit

“ These were the people who became Shudras and Dalits after Aryan/Steppe and Dravidian invasions around 100BC or later.”

Some of their descendants became Brahmins. Some Kshatriyas etc.

Some heard of the message of Islam and became Muslims. Others adopted the Sikhi. Others Jainism. Atheists Etc.

Brown Pundits