Why it is very sad that racism arose in the US but not India-

As I was watching yesterday’s excellent and profound show; it dawned on me that all of the Dalit children looked very nice. I would say pretty but then that would make me a pedophile like nos ancetres.

This by my Westernised aesthetic standard, where I like all types of beauty. Nonetheless by our Desi standards these Dalit children looked hideous because of their dusky skins and soft features.

It dawned on me that we look at caste and genetics entirely the wrong way.

the Original Caste System

There does seem to have been a soft tripartite division between kings, warriors & priests among the Indo-Europeans. For instance I was shocked to discover at the Dari lecture that the Zoroastrians are basically speaking the last vestiges of Median, 2.5millennia on from nos ancetres Astyages.

At any rate the point is that this soft division was nothing out of the ordinary; the Arabs summarily smashed it to smithereens in Sassanian Persia and these divisions seemed to have died out.

For instance in the Brahmin lecture, Prof. O’Hanlon asked why didn’t the Brahmins suffer the same fate as the Junckers and Samurai and disappear as a socio-political class.

To my mind what made caste so pernicious and powerful, in that it is defining feature of Desiness, is that it served as an institution to ring-fence and ghettoise the Dreaded ASI blood (AASI for the wokier ones of you).

African American & ASI

When African Americans do their genetic tests, all their interested about is their roots in Africa. When Desis do their test it’s all about how low is their AASI.

We look at caste hierarchies the wrong way by somehow measuring the ANI quotient as a feature of caste rank. It is the inverse measure by how low is your ASI score that is a far better measure of relative caste ranking.

That is why a quick hack in South Asia has always been to marry out so as to dilute the ASI.

Early Days of Indus Valley Civ

Something must have happened in those early chaotic days between the collapse of the Indus Valley Civ and the arrival of the Aryans. The relation between the two events seems analogous to the wipeout of large mammals and migration of modern humans. The Indus Valley Civ was probably on the decline and the Aryans just provided the death blow.

There must have been some class structure between the proto-Dravidians (who seem to have some tenuous kinship to the Elamites further west in what is now the Iranian Plateau) and the adivasis. The farmer and hunter gatherers struggle playing out in the early days of agriculture, where as today, the Adivasi ASI were the labouring classes (landless peasants) to the more established proto-Dravidians (the Naidus / Reddys; these prosperous high to mid-rank castes come to mind).

The blood had already been mixed in the early days (vastly disproportionate sexual dynamics at play with the Dravidian/Indus Civ farmer impregnating the landless girls in exchange for status and security) but the divisions were somewhat sealed. The Aryans came into this mix and probably never even mixed with the ASI directly. The Aryan men must have taken these Dravidian/Indus women to complement their own harems (in the early days of victory & conquest men won’t limit themselves to a single wife) until the high born wives sought to preserve their status through purity of blood, monogamy and caste status.

the most pernicious system known to man

The stage was set for what became the most potent social system known to man; Varna and Jati. Now I could have gotten this history entirely wrong because I’m simply extrapolating modern day South Asia all the way back when. But all the following invasions of the Subcontinent followed the same lines (the Muslims organised themselves in a similar manner and the British were doing the same thing until 1857 and then “a racist imperial” ideology emerged).

This peculiar mix of colourism and casteism is similar to South America. Criollos from the Iberian peninsula had the highest status and there were complex social gradations based on ancestral fractions (European the highest, African the lowest). It’s interesting to see that the genetic patterns in Latin America are very similar to South Asia; male mediated caste privilege coupled with indigenous female ancestry. It simply was the case that what happened in 2000BC Indus Valley happened in a 1492 milieu. So the waves of Europeans streaming into Latin America dwarfed the ancient Aryans hence why the “autosomal” DNA is so different to Y-chromosomes and mitochondrial DNA (it’s plain as day but I’m not an expert in genetics).

Roundtable with the neutered white gods

Why this narrative about caste? Because it is central to our understanding of the South Asian condition. Yesterday in the documentary; there were having a round table with the predominantly white volunteers (remember the school is founded by Dr. George, who is a South Indian Christian) and there was an explanation of the twin issues of poverty and prejudice.

As the group was explaining to the white volunteers the nature of caste one of the Dalit boys (by the way one of the miracles of the school is that these children have fluent upper caste English accents) clearly mentioned that skin colour was a difference.

These Dalit children are struggling with a thousand generations of illiteracy, of low status and low self-esteem. The stories of the Hindu epics are not their stories but those of the glorious Aryans (the Vedas and Sanskrit are the language of their racial conquerors).

Ordinarily I would be hyper-ventilating about “colonisers” but in this case I accept that a nation (and a region) must be humiliated in order to transform. Let the neutered white gods now intervene to raise the status that the upper castes will only glacially and reluctantly do so.

Being against Affirmative action makes you racist

The idea that the CBSE board are somehow a level playing field and that children, given equal opportunity, simply have to compete with each other is so absurd. Education is holistic and has very little to do with IQ (I exaggerate) but the notion that somehow a child is divorced from the family environment and will simply focus on the educational attainment is a wilful misreading of the human experience.

In some ways while racism in the US has never had any parallel (white Southern slavemasters more often than not seemed to have kept their bastard offspring in their mother’s status as opposed to some intermediate one) the upshot is that it led to the emergence of racism as a separate category as opposed to the previous ones of caste and class.

Why hasn’t Black identity arisen elsewhere

Why is it the black peoples of the Arab worlds (the African slaves) and India (Dalit) do not consider themselves as a separate racial category to their mainstream societies in a way that African Americans do?

That is because the Black peoples of the Arab & Indian world do not want to acknowledge that they are black but that rather they are simply (and unfortunately) on “swarthier” spectrum of their societies. Their low status can be ameliorated along with their skin colour.

What I have always found intriguing is the insistence of Black Americans on their pride, their brotherhood and remembering their history. For the longest time I couldn’t get it and in fact found it amusing. Now I realise the only antidote to slavery is Pride and self-esteem. Raising it is the first step to undoing a thousand generations of humiliation.

Upper caste Hindus & low self-esteem

Upper caste Hindus have constantly worked themselves up over a “thousand years of humiliation.” But what will happen when the Talented Tenth of the Dalit leaders (who are still forming) start to read/interpolate their true history? Just as African Americans, and their just cause, is the original sin of American society (they even fought a Civil war over it) in much the same way Indian society will have to eventually reckon with its original Sin. Hopefully not violently but holistically and humbly.

One of the Dalit girls made a beautiful point when she was back in the segregated corner of her village; she internalised that this was her place her Dharma (I used that word). When she went to school (they spend vacations at home and otherwise board at school) she realises that’s not true. A colourist and a classist society saps the self-esteem of the lowest because they aren’t able to articulate their issues against the status quo since no one is othered as a “different race.”

Racial Othering is sometimes necessary

This “othering” of the African Americans (probably unique in history) for so many centuries essentially made them the standard bearers for civic and racial equality within societies. Gandhi advocated for Independent India (where the upper castes could continue in the paternalistic mould of the British) not for Equality of races in the British Empire.

Pakistan’s shibboleth

In some ways I have greater hope for Pakistan because it is suffering so much adversity that we have been in existential crisis for the past 70years. The gamut of opinion is very broad in Pakistani society except for one taboo topic, which is Islam. Until people can mock and examine Muhammad in his entirety; Pakistan will never free itself from its own shackles. But that’s a different story for another time; much as Hindus like to conflate caste and Pakistan, this is not Pakistan’s defining problem. Yes there are Pakistani Dalits (in equally if not more miserable conditions) but our national ideology and founding is built on a specific narrative; the Central Asian & Arabian heroes who carved out their outpost in Hindustan. What Pakistan must ask itself; what is it without Islam?

And India’s will be, what happens when the oppressed become informed about the system of unofficial slavery that held it back.

58 thoughts on “Why it is very sad that racism arose in the US but not India-”

  1. The Aryans came into this mix and probably never even mixed with the ASI directly.

    this is not true. in the swat valley steppe ancestry increases ALONG with ASI (AASI). i think the indo-aryans moved beyond the limes of IVC zone very quickly, and were instrumental in produce “AASI reflux” to the NW (as you move east, there are brahmin groups who have more steppe AND more AASI than groups to the west, suggesting they moved fast without much mixing until they stopped on the Adivasi frontier).

    fwiw, my personal interaction with dalits indicates they are much more realistic about certain things that other indians (eg the genetic nature of caste/jati stratification).

  2. I ain’t the descendent of the one sided cucking. YDNA HM20 and mtDNA U8’bc 😉

  3. This by my Westernised aesthetic standard, where I like all types of beauty. Nonetheless by our Desi standards these Dalit children looked hideous because of their dusky skins and soft features.

    but you use indian idiom here. white ppl think ‘dusky’ as olive skinned. only indians use dusky to mean very dark brown. and the talk about ‘soft’ and ‘sharp’ features is something i’ve only heard from indians (south asians, whatever).

  4. \Gandhi advocated for Independent India ……………..not for Equality of races in the British Empire\

    True, Gandhi’s purpose was not reformation of the British empire and it was Indian independence. At the same time , as much as he was for Indian independence, he was as much interested in removing Untouchability from Hindu society and Hindu-Muslim co-habitation and mutual respect in a free India. You can’t fault the old boy for things he did not concentrate on. What he concentrated on, he did in good faith and was prepared to sacrifice his life for it.

    All the ‘dalit’ movements in India owe a debt of gratitude to him for raising their status without raising any tensions.

  5. Being against Affirmative action makes you racist

    This is the kind of blanket statement that only serves the purpose of virtue-signaling and debate-stopping.

    The way affirmative action is applied in India is often through the blunt instrument of quotas or reservations. The reports I used to hear about (this was back in the 90s, perhaps things have changed now) involved qualification scores for the reserved seats that were an order of magnitude lower than that for “general” seats (e.g., in a case I read, a “general” student getting 700 out of 1000 points in an exam failed to qualify whereas an SC/ST student getting 50 got through.) Does this sort of process serve anyone? Does it serve society?

    Where affirmative action indisputably serves a purpose is where one can pinpoint blatant discrimination in a selection procedure on the basis of caste or race or what have you. Where qualifications are layered on other qualifications, starting from childhood, it is less clear to me that reservations at a higher level (ostensibly to make up for denied opportunities at a lower level) serve a useful purpose.

    Clearly, as a society, we are not doing right by our kids, and more so kids from underprivileged backgrounds. But that’s the place where we need to expand and equalize opportunity, and not by trying to make “reparations” to selected adults.

      1. You need affirmative action to create leaders?

        Rahul Gandhi has been rejected as a leader despite his pedigree. What kind of affirmative action created Malcolm X?

        Perhaps you need to engage honestly with what Numinous wrote instead of more virtue-signalling blanket statements. 🙂

      2. // Yes because it creates leaders? //

        B.R. Ambedkar emerged as leader because Indians themselves were churning internally & hence while many upper caste platforms & people opposed him many helped him in very many ways.

        For e.g. – Shahuji Maharaj who helped financially to educate him or his school teacher who educated him when caste networks were getting formed & more & more appeals were getting made along caste lines.



        Have you looked into how Ambedkar’s Brahmin wife was treated after his death ? What was the need for her to marry Ambedkar & why Ambedkar’s followers treated her the way they did ? Like accusing her for his death.


        If you need Quotas to create leaders you are only creating socially dividing monsters like ‘Bahubali’ or ‘Strongmen leaders’ not actual leaders who want to transform or reform the society.

    1. Razib I thought you favored large scale affirmative action based on socio-economic characteristics?

      This has long been my position. In every country in the world.

      In addition I think the world (including educational institutions in Latin America, North America, Asia, Europe, Australasia) needs to provide large scale temporary affirmative action based on very high concentrations certain historically sub-saharan African based DNA haploid group admixtures. Perhaps more than 60% of a weighted average. Enough to rule out most black Americans (since they are too bi-racial or mixed to qualify). This needs to be phased out completely by date certain. Especially because of how DNA editing and CRISPR will soon allow for cheap changes to DNA.

      I think it is incredibly important that all Palestinian education institutions provide large scale raced based affirmative action to ethnic sub-saharan Africans (from all over the world.) Arab League as a whole too.

      1. anan, yeah, i’m not going to back a world-wide policy on anything 😉

        and no, i don’t favor large-scale SES aa necessarily.

        1. Razib, granted I am not a deep expert. However from what I have studied “mismatch” is a smaller problem for Socio-economic AA than for other types of affirmative action. Far smaller in countries such as India. This is a difference I have with your good friend Heather Mac Donald. {I still deeply admire and respect her and would unreservedly defend her from the post modernists and cultural marxists.}

          We need Socio-economic AA to keep the post modernists and cultural marxists from becoming too popular. If they do . . . then . . . .well lets not hope that happens. Plus practically there is no other way to stop non socio-economic based AA. In India, Europe, Latin America, Australasia or North America.

          AA is implemented far more extensively in India than the US. By a “HUGE” margin. And it is harming India.

        2. “I think it is incredibly important that all Palestinian education institutions provide large scale raced based affirmative action to ethnic sub-saharan Africans (from all over the world.) Arab League as a whole too.”

          Razib, can you endorse this 😉

          Not asking you to endorse demanding reparations from Palestinians for slavery! Don’t want to risk your life. 😉

    2. The ermine robes are usually red..

      My post has to be read in context to India and what I think my UCs conceive about caste.

      Most diverse societies has an original sin that it needs to somehow reckon with. The solution is usually a push-pull mechanism, both the society and minority have to adapt to each other somehow.

      1. By constantly diving people into UC and LC and making policies on that basis , you end up with , surprise , surprise UCs/LCs

          1. Even in the US , any affirmative actions are not legally enforceable like in India across the boardand based only on ‘race’ – however defined. Actually the American Anthropological Society calls ‘race’ fictitious category.

            The British elite may talk endlessly about past ‘sins’ like slavery and racism, and there is NO reservation in any British university or place of work.

          2. Only in USSR and China , there was a negative reservation for children from ‘kulak’ or ‘landlord’ families and preference in education/jobs for children of proletarian families. We know how USSR ended up and China has given up most of communist policies for the 30 years to forge ahead.

            Apart from that no modern, industrialized society has got across the board reservations based on birth and birth certificates for education/jobs going for many generations.

  6. i think author is confused about Varna and Jati, these are two different terms. Affirmative actions like reservations are becoming a menace in India by dividing people into reserved and non-reserved. Old caste based divisions are limited to marraiges only (metropolitan cities) except in some thoroughly backward areas. what we need in India is rapid urbanisation, it has shown that urban areas are way better in dealing with caste problems than villages. One more thing; even dalits discriminate between themselves on the basis of their caste to my surprise.

    1. Ironically, leftwing activists (we used to have one here not so long ago, wonder what happened to him/her) claim caste based reservations are another way Hindu society is being appeased to the detriment of other minorities. A case of “Heads I win, tails you lose.”

      1. I do get from where he was coming from.

        He was implying more towards landed OBC communities like Jats, Nairs, Patels etc getting some form or the other support from the state. Another example would be the recent UC poor quota. The difference is unlike muslim/christian community, hindu “appeasement” (if we can call it that) is more diffused and targeted towards specific community and if taken as a whole would amount to the Hindu community getting similar quantum of benefits from the state as their muslim/christian counterparts.

        1. The true measure of who is being appeased is whose electoral support is being courted.

          Appeasing Jats doesnt do anything to make non-Jat Hindus happy or more likely to vote for the appeasing government. In fact just the opposite. Whether the group being appeased is BC, OBC or UC makes no difference.

          Mondal proved that SC reservations piss off non-SCs. Ditto for OBCs or whoever else.

          1. ST reservations piss off SC’s as well, especially since the former are allowed to keep their benefits even after conversion.

            This is a pretty serious issue in a lot of districts in Odisha.

  7. 1. South Indian Christians are having it both ways. On one hand harvesting souls and telling the world that people are converting to escape caste system and keeping ‘dalit Christian’ identity as a weapon. There are demands for reservations ( affirmative action) for Dalit Christians.
    2. Casteism in Christianity and Islam needs to be understood.

    1. \South Indian Christians are having it both ways\
      You have forgotten one more way . Christian run institutions come under ‘minority’ category – so they can reserve up 33% or 50% in staff, teaching staff and students for their co-coreligionists. This is apart from caste based reservations which are extended to them also. All the while making conversions promising no-caste earth and heaven and dissing Hinduism and brahmins for caste.

      This sweet spot is not available for others.

      1. “This sweet spot is not available for others.”

        This sweet spot is available to Muslims but instead of building institutions that help the society (in addition to co-religionists) they want to double down on useless Madrassas.

        No one can help a community that doesn’t want to help themselves.

          1. I’m not complaining about minority appeasement here.

            I am just saying that the asymmetric safeguards that a lot of communities crave for are already present.

            Some of these communities (or maybe only one) just don’t want to/don’t know how to make use of them.

    2. You are quite the bigot “Brown”, first of all the easy way you just target all South Indian Christians and idiot that you are or most likely just want to easily ignore to assuage your worldview is that not all South Indian Christians are dalits.. I see nothing wrong with a dalit Christian demanding reservations, does the majority hindu society suddenly treat him different? They still know what background he comes from, he doesn’t suddenly enter a Christian bubble that protects him from the atrocities of the larger society and institutions, he deserves to get that reservation, as any dalit hindu, Buddhist, sikh and muslim. And despite the fantasies to help justify hindu casteism, casteism in Christianity does not really need to be understood as nothing less than society’s cultural influence causing some tribalism, but nothing to do with Christianity and really less of a problem even with “intercaste” marriages. Now if you’re so worried about caste reservations, convert the majority of society to a egalitarian religion like Christianity, Buddhism, Sikhism and I bet you your caste problem will greatly decrease, This anti-Christian disinformation campaign and bigotry is really get out of hand here on Brown pundits.

  8. “The stories of the Hindu epics are not their stories but those of the glorious Aryans (the Vedas and Sanskrit are the language of their racial conquerors).”

    > who were these guys? which genes they had? where they came from? did they have the caste system before they came? what was the name of their language? are they apearing in mahabharata (at least as guest stars)? what is their relationship with ‘northern people’ who came to china at about the same time?

  9. What’s wierd to me about many Indian Christian communities is how they don’t just change their religion, they change their whole culture. They adopt white euro names, they refuse to wear desi attire even for functions, they’re eager to drop their mother tongue if it is no longer needed, etc. It’s kind of ridiculous. The ones I’ve talked to also talk about how Christians and Muslims need to unite against the Hindus and stuff like that. Once they’re in the diaspora they keep no touch with India except to criticize it for anti Christian stuff and caste. I respect Indian Muslims way more.

    1. Islam in India is at once profoundly native and also starkly alien.

      The language we gifted to India Urdu and her terrifying doppelgänger, Hindi, is a reflection of that.

    2. Hoju, have you noticed this among any specific indian christian communities? In my experience, malayalee christians dont do this at all. Telugu christians are indiscernible from their caste-mates. I’ve noticed it a bit amongst goans, perhaps, but only in the diaspora.

    3. Hoju, I use to understand India better in the past. In the past this was not a major issue

      Recently I have been told that some of the converts to evangelical orders behave like this.

      Still we should remember that India has many Syriac (including Matthews) Christians, Catholics (including the Benedictines, Camaldolese, Christian Ashram movement), Anglicans, Presbyterian, Methodists. They collectively probably represent over 70% of Indian Christians. They do not (based on my anecdotal observation and what I have read and studied) behave like this. I would ask Kushal for verification since he knows more than I do.

      Several Indian Christian ministers and leaders keep asking that they not be bracketed with the evangelicals. And they are right. We should not bracket them with Evengelicals.

      We should also remember that not all Evangelicals behave this way.

    4. I call BS. Wow I see a lot hate and disinformation being spread Indian Christians, the majority of Indian Christians still wear Indian clothes, Malayalees Christians celebrate cultural festivals of their area as well as the Christians ones (and those with a indian flair at that). You bastards are cowards as going after Indian Christians you can lie, target and even kill with impunity. Good Job Brown pundits!

  10. LOL, reading the comments, seems like what’s muslims are to N-India , Christians are to S-India.

    1. Saurav:

      “LOL, reading the comments, seems like what’s muslims are to N-India , Christians are to S-India.”

      Don’t understand. Can you elaborate? I don’t think it makes sense to think about “muslim” and “Christian.” Each are groups of groups. Many of the factions and tribes and Jatis can be treated just like other Dharmic paramparas.

      The south also has many muslims. Including among the middle class and upper middle class. In general the south is more orderly, disciplined and socio-economically developed. I “LOVE” south India.

  11. After reading countless such posts by disconnected desis on Brahmin privilege, and how just being born a Brahmin guarantees someone a charmed life, a reality check may be in order.

    Like all other castes, Brahmin kids struggle with maths and science too. (not every Brahmin kid is a Ramanujan).

    Brahmin teens in India struggle to get into good professional colleges too. No all of them make it. Many drop out after high school. Less than half of them have a college degree. (May be way less. I dont have stats, but I am certain.)

    Brahmin youth suffer from unemployment too.

    Brahmin adults also struggle with poverty, alcoholism, and low achievement throughout their prime years.

    Brahmins youth also exchange whatsapp messages with each other berating the quota system who holds them back, and how tough life is for them.

    Why am I so certain? Because unlike many of the diaspora commenter here, India is a lived reality for me, and I happen to be a member of many of these aforementioned whatsapp groups.

      1. Life *is* is hard for white kids in the entire US, and not just in appalachians, if they dont get a college degree or any professional certification, and don’t have any prospect of inheritance. With just a high school education, they are destined to flip burgers throughout their life. it is a fact.

  12. A Mallu Christian ‘atheist’ girl, albeit brought up in Delhi, walked out on me on a date recently. For the first time in my life (in over 100+ first dates).

    She was pissed that I wasn’t very concerned about the fact that anti-vaxxers in the US are getting a platform on Facebook and Fox News.

    She was:
    1. Extremely concerned about climate change but drove herself for a 1.5 km trip to our rendezvous point in breezy Bangalore weather.

    2. Thought it was important to know about debates on anti-vaxxers in the US but did not know that Bihar is a state in India and is not, in face, a sub-division of UP (true story!)

    3. Hated cops because they ‘are a tool of the state to oppress the vulnerable’ but wanted anyone showing sympathy towards views that she considered ‘Nazi’ to be reprimanded (by way of forced therapy)

    4. Was against capitalism but worked at a VC-funded company

    5. Was for re-distribution but said that a particular example of a policy I quoted from a P. Sainath book (without mentioning him) was too ‘libertarian’

    I have a REALLY hard time taking desi woke bois and girls seriously.

      1. I usually try to avoid it but this girl told me that being apolitical is immoral. Lol.
        Fun experience.

        1. Lulz, Brats iz a boka deflowerer. Learn frm me bruvz, I giv lessonz for £200/hr for Kuffar-on-Kuffar action, but will make it free if u convert to one true Faith.


          Jagger Bin Shagger Al-Muslim

    1. Prats, how do you find time for 100+ first dates!

      If you go out on an average of more than 20 dates per partner . . . 2000+ dates!

      You must have a lot of free time 🙂 {Kidding!}

      I want your job!

      More seriously, you must be an amazing psychologist and listener by now. Helping more than 100 females through their feelings, anxieties, emotions, religion, spirituality, relationships (with girl friend’s family members and friends), financial decisions, career/business decisions, work politics. Not to mention said services for your many platonic family members and platonic friends.


      Post modernists and cultural marxists are a major threat to the world. We need to melt their hearts with love and respect.

      1. “If you go out on an average of more than 20 dates per partner . . . 2000+ dates!”
        20 dates per partner is too much. There’s a skewed power law distribution here with most of them at 1 or 2 dates.

        “You must have a lot of free time ? {Kidding!}”
        Bulk of it came a couple of years back when I was jobless. These days it’s more like 1 date in a couple of weeks.

        “Helping more than 100 females through their feelings, anxieties, emotions, religion, spirituality, relationships (with girl friend’s family members and friends), financial decisions, career/business decisions, work politics.”

        I am no superman but I try ?
        Mostly I just use these events to take notes for a novel I want to write.

  13. Since proxy Dalitioppression story telling is a big thing these days, here is one true story for your reading pleasure.

    Couple of years ago in my village in India (somewhere in N India, won’t divulge any more details), there lived a rich Jain merchant with some disposable money. As is the wont of some of these rich Jains, he decided to use this surplus money for charity, probably to get some preferred stock in the IPO of next life. So he opened a charity hospital (a small clinic really) in the village. A fresh MBBS graduate, who also happened to be a Dalit, was appointed as the doctor and overall supervisor of the clinic. A small paramedic staff was also hired for his assistance. Everything looked great.

    A few months later the do-gooder merchant, who was the trustee of the hospital, came to inspect his hospital during a night without notice. He found doctor sahab having a drinking party with his buddies in the hospital premises. Understandably, angry words were exchanged, and most unfortunately the situation escalated into a minor physical altercation between the trustee and the doctor. Police was called, and they separated both the parties.

    Next morning, as is the custom in our area, both parties filed their FIRs (first information report) against each other with the police. Normally it would just have been case of disorderly conduct by each person involved. However, since one of the person involved in the incident was a Dalit, the other person, (i.e. the good Samaritan Jain), was also charged with the crime of “atrocities against SC/ST”, which is a non-bailable offence.

    The end result was the do-gooder Jain was arrested by the police, and drunkard Doctor Sahab walked free! Needless to say, doctor sahab also kept his job.

    The story has a happy ending. Ultimately in the spirit of Indian bhai-chara, the case got rafaa-dafaa (settled out of the court). All parties went to their business amicably.

    Just to present a layered and textured picture from someone with boots on the ground. 🙂

    1. Yeah, I heard of a case recently (from someone close to me) where a Dalit laborer in a village tried to blackmail his employer (Brahmin farmer) with a similar type of offense.

      Not sure how well anecdotes represent data though. In India, we have a tendency to frame laws that go overboard in their severity, opening them up to all kinds of abuse. (There was a similar conversation surrounding the Nirbhaya rape case a few years ago where people seemed more interested in framing laws to inflict the most gruesome horrors on perpetrators rather than try to strengthen the law and order system to ensure that fewer women got raped and more perpetrators got caught and punished.)

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