In the never-ending saga of BP, we may have just hit one of the more outlandish claims:
âLike I said, Iâm not defending his comments. I wouldnât have made them.
Regardless of any provocation, calling someone âsubhumanâ and âneanderthalâ is not onâespecially when those words are used by a Brahmin. Itâs casteist.â
Iâm fully in favour of interrogating caste. But the idea that the twice-born must exercise an extra layer of self-censorship before using a generic insult is excessive. An insult is an insult; attaching caste-specific moral disclaimers to ordinary online behaviour doesnât clarify anything. It just adds ritual guilt where none is needed.
I support the critique of caste bias, but my fundamental sympathies are with Dharmic civilisation; precisely because Dharma is pluralistic enough to allow a hundred flowers to bloom. That pluralism should extend to how we discuss caste, not collapse into moral policing tied to someoneâs birth category.
In my opinion (which you are of course free to reject), no one should ever call anyone else “subhuman” or “neanderthal”. Those should be absolute red lines.
Sbarrkum is correct that these words have a history. They have been used by upper-castes against lower castes as well as against black people by white people.
Ultimately, this is not my issue. I’m a Muslim. My religion doesn’t justify caste.
However, I will note that my comments have been edited for simply calling someone “stupid”. “Subhuman” is infinitely worse.
This blog needs clear and uniform standards for what kind of discourse is acceptable and what kind of discourse is unacceptable.
In the past, I took great exception to a non-Muslim commenter using the phrase “taqqiya” against me (the only Muslim on the blog). For sbarrkum to be called “subhuman” is something similar.
Why did you presume what my caste is? How do you know i am upper caste? And why are you consistently only taking note of my response while pointedly keeping silent about that guy repeatedly calling 1 billion people as street-shitters. And then you laughably advocate for “uniform standards”.
I have repeatedly said that I found sbarrkum’s comments distasteful. Please go back and read what I wrote. Perhaps you struggle with reading comprehension. Either that or you are deliberately making a false accusation about me “pointedly keeping silent”.
It’s a pretty safe assumption that you are upper-caste. All the people writing on BP are privileged one way or the other (including myself).
I stand by my argument that–no matter the provocation– calling someone “subhuman” and a “neanderthal” is absolutely unacceptable. I also stand by my argument that there should be uniform standards.
Anyway, you’ve decided to leave BP. That’s your choice. No one has forced you out. It was repeatedly clarified to you that you can delete comments on your threads rather than getting into the mud with people.
You are a liar and a hypocrite. It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that you have a very different standard to the unhinged racist bile your fellow bigot was spewing vs my response. You couldn’t even provide a simple yes/no response to whether that racist stuff from him crossed your redline or not. You are a moral coward. that’s all there is to it.
Why are you fixed on a yes/no response? I wrote that I considered his remarks distasteful and I wouldn’t have made them. Does that sound like a defense of his remarks?
For the last time: I think sbarrkum crossed a line and that you crossed a line as well.
Anyway, you’ve decided to leave BP so we don’t need to keep re-litigating this.
It’s kinda amusing that you think you are being too clever and no one is noticing your pathetic attempt at gaslighting and your blindingly evident hypocrisy.
But beyond that, you are just a colossal, humorless bore (I’m surely I am not the first person saying that). Your responses are lame. Your attempt at high-horse mounting has all the elegance of a rat scampering back to its hole. At least that other fellow was fun to insult – he would come back with his simian shit-throwing antics.
So I will now take leave of you. Glad we wouldn’t have to cross paths again.
What part of “I considered his remarks distasteful” is gaslighting or “hypocrisy”? I am being entirely reasonable. You are the one throwing a tantrum. You seem to think you are a lot smarter than you actually are. My educational qualifications are out there for the world to see. The same cannot be said about you.
“At least that other fellow was fun to insult”– I refuse to get in the mud with you. I’m sorry that’s not fun for you.
Honestly, your leaving this forum is not a loss for BP. Have a nice life.
that guy repeatedly calling 1 billion people as street-shitters
Many people in India Shit on the Streets, a National Shame.Less in some states and more in some states. There is a wiki on Public defecation by state. I am not the one who discuss the issues Its the Indian Media. Its a reality and a health hazard affecting poor children. Prevents brain development
Indians like to sweep both caste and public defecation under the carpet. Even more so Non Hindus are not supposed to refer to the those issues.
This no different from non Americans discussing racism, homelessness and the Drug epidemic in the US. I guess some Americans do not like outsiders discussing their National Shame. But its a reality.
Like I said elsewhere I will be writing about the history of Racism, Discrimination, Slavery and Genocide. Possibly later in the week. I dont expect it change a mindset, but at least you will be informed.
Read the article its pretty damming
https://theprint.in/india/governance/hindus-are-less-likely-to-use-a-toilet-than-muslims-in-india/44959/
Out of Topic
Analysis of why Trump agreed to release Epstein files
Excerpts
The MAGA civil war I posted about earlier this month has now spread from pundits like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro to U.S. Congressional campaigns, and once again Israel is the rock splitting the coalition.
The split with Massie has been out in the open for a while and itâs no secret that Trumpâs #1 Zionist donor Israeli citizen Miriam Adelson is behind the campaign against Massie.
Massie voted against Trumpâs Big Beautiful Bill and has been the ringleader pushing for a congressional vote to release the Epstein files.
In retaliation, Trump has been backing an anti-Massie Super PAC funded by (among others) âthree billionaire supporters of Trump and Israelâ: Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer, and John Paulson. The trioâs PAC is expected to drop $20 million against Massie in support of Massieâs challenger, Navy SEAL Ed Gallrein.
The other MAGA apostate fighting TACO MIGA Trump is Georgia Congressional Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG).
MIGA=Make Israel Great Again
But one thing the Times has doggedly refused to report on is the mounting evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was deeply involved with Israel.
One loathsome establishment figure the NY Times is not protecting is infamous former Obama advisor Larry Summers, despite the emails being released by Congressional Republicans
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2025/11/taco-miga-maga-trump-hasbara-massie-mtg-epstein-nytimes.html
The Term Sub Human is legally racist in the US (and maybe UK).
It was used by US Southern slave owners to justify Slavery as Africans were considered Sub Human
The Nazi justified genocide because Jews and Gypsies (Roma) were Sub Human
The Brahmins for 2000+ years called the Sudras and Dalist Sub Human and justified their preventing Sudara from learning to red and write (The same witth Slaves in the US).. Read the Laws of Manu for the codified atrocities prescribed for Sudra.
XTM i seem to get the impression you (and many other) dont have a wide knowledge of the history of Racism, Casteism (religion endorsed Racism),, Discrimination and Genocide
I will do a post by end of week on history of Racism, Casteism (religion endorsed Racism),, Discrimination and Genocide
I have plenty of time, but lazy and procrastinate
As I said, “Subhuman” should be a red line for everyone. It is not acceptable rhetoric–no matter the provocation. However, I would suggest that you not get in the mud with everyone. The remarks about open defecation were distasteful at the very least.
Sairav seems to have left BP and deleted his posts. That’s unfortunate. He was told multiple times that he could moderate his threads as he liked and delete any and all comments he found distasteful.
Going forward, I do think personal attacks–especially on caste and religion– should be completely off limits.
The bias of the admin is also a factor. This is not an accusation (lest it be read as such). Every blog has its own worldview. XTM himself admits he is much more sensitive to what is said about India than to what is said about Pakistan. The real issue people are facing is that BP has historically been tilted towards the discourse of the Hindu Right and now that is no longer the case.
I have to add, Defecating on the Streets and Caste is India’s national shame.
I am not the one pointing this out, it is written on Indian media.
Similarly some deny Caste exists in modern India, while the govt is going to take a caste census (next year?)
Hindus are less likely to use a toilet than Muslims in India
https://theprint.in/india/governance/hindus-are-less-likely-to-use-a-toilet-than-muslims-in-india/44959/