Regency, Not Rupture in Pakistan (Open Thread)

(h/t Archer, who called for this thread in the comments on “Erm”.

Also as fair warning to the Commentariat, Flame Threads will be put down and any violator will have fines ranging from mass comment deletion to revocation of Author Rights. Say what you like but tread carefully in how you say it since I did want to write on White Intellectuals hogging the “South Asian” space after Indosaurus’s excellent piece on the Great Gandhi but this just tumbled out)

Pakistan’s Interior Minister, Mohsin Naqvi, told an Islamabad seminar last week that the country’s 80-year-old governance system has “collapsed” and that Pakistan needs new provinces. A day later the DG ISPR called on the parties to consider an “administrative reset.” This week Naqvi assured the press that Shehbaz Sharif will serve his full five years; while standing by every word about the destroyed system, and reprising, for good measure, his claim to the biggest scam in Pakistan’s history: judges, bureaucrats, politicians and bankers, all implicated, an inventory that conspicuously omits one institution. The scam has an address, One Constitution Avenue, a two-decade property saga Naqvi has been prosecuting in public since May; the individuals remain nameless, naturally.

Naqvi is a Husayni Sayyid, the surname is the pedigree, claimed descent from the Tenth Imam, which makes us cousins by caste, and at present the unluckiest good Shia boy in the Islamic Republic: sent out to fly the Deep State’s kite and left to absorb the fire alone.

The PPP demands his resignation; Khawaja Asif suggests he reset his own ministry first; Raza Rabbani reminds everyone that the disease is constitutional violation, not cartography.

A Coup is surplus to requirements

My read: there will be no coup, because the Army no longer needs one.

Since the May ’25 war, a war Naqvi lists among the government’s achievements, “won” and all Asim Munir carries the Field Marshal’s baton under the Twenty-Seventh Amendment: the rank permanent, the immunity lifelong, the command secured to 2030 and extendable. He enjoys a genuine measure of popularity at home and a working line to Trump abroad (though the diplomatic dramatics are not his monopoly; Shehbaz has cultivated that relationship with some skill of his own). An institution in this position does not send tanks to the PTV building. Coups are expensive: they cost legitimacy abroad and deniability at home.

What Rawalpindi has learned is that informal supremacy is fragile and formal seizure is expensive; constitutional guardianship is the durable middle. The Twenty-Seventh Amendment is not a retreat into shadow, quite the opposite: supremacy made juridical, public, permanent.

The Iranian lesson

Iran is the model here not for its theology but for its architecture; a guardian centre embedded in the constitution, an elected state kept on stage to absorb blame and supply legitimacy, power that never again depends on winning anything.

Once the throne is legal, the day-to-day hand can withdraw from view, and in this the Army has a tutor the Pasdaran never had: its own ISI. Authority formalised, operations deniable. Visible power depreciates; hidden power compounds.

Four instruments:

(1.) The constitutional squeeze. New provinces, “administrative resets,” and the six months Naqvi reportedly allowed for the system to be sorted out, which Archer read it as a notice period served on the civilian administration. On deeper reflection it is not a paranoid reading. Redraw the map, dilute the Punjab and Sindh dynasts, all under colour of law. This is a measure I support and wrote on in my Princely piece.

(2.) The cockroach revolt. Naqvi invoked the cockroaches as a warning, not a recipe, the dismissed young uniting to overturn an order that offers them neither merit nor work, and Aijazuddin already has a column on the breeding of them.

Rawalpindi has summoned crowds before, and the Faizabad judgment recorded whose hand was on the tap. A Dhaka-style reset is far easier to encourage than to end, ask Sheikh Hasina, which is why this stays Plan B.

(3.) The Imran card. Only one institution can bring Khan out of Adiala, and it would do so on its own terms but the true objection is not that crowds are unsteerable. It is that Khan may be impossible to domesticate a second time; the card may no longer belong to the hand that holds it. That the establishment can afford to keep him inside, and keep the option open, is itself the measure of its confidence.

(4.) The formal coup. Least likely because least necessary. Why seize what you already hold?

The civilians will comply, because they must. The PML-N and PPP of 2026 are not the mass movements of the 1990s; they are heritage brands with shrinking congregations, and the young have gone to Imran. Parties that cannot win the street need the garrison more than the garrison needs them. Yet it is a bargain, not a surrender: office, patronage and protection from the street flow one way; a lectern, an election and diplomatic cover flow back. The hybrid persists because each side holds what the other lacks. Consent of the weak, convenience of the strong.

Regency, not rupture.

Let a thousand Lotus flowers bloom on Mother Indus; sincerely, and not as the Chairman meant it. (RNJ may keep pining for his desi Deng in the meantime.)

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Kabir
1 month ago

Nothing has changed in Pakistan. Every civilian government serves at the pleasure of Pak Fauj. This is going to remain the case.

Pakistan is a national security state.

The Sharifs understand this. That’s why they are not going to displease the Field Marshal in any way. Otherwise, Bilawal Bhutto is waiting in line for his turn as PM.

For PML-N, the most important thing is paving the way for Maryam Bibi to become a future PM of Pakistan.

I’ve heard that Mohsin Naqvi is the Field Marshal’s brother-in-law. So he is very close to the establishment.

I do agree there is no longer a need for a formal coup. The new model is the hybrid regime.

Since this is an open thread:

This post is incidentally doing very well on Substack:

https://kabiraltaf.substack.com/p/great-south-asian-novels-in-english

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Read this detailed and very interesting article in the Print today. Gave an excellent insight into how things possibly run in Pakistan.

@Indosaurus, this will interest you as well.

https://theprint.in/diplomacy/imran-called-him-viceroy-pakistanis-see-him-as-munirs-man-the-rise-rise-of-mohsin-naqvi/3006715/

Indosaurus
1 month ago

I like this idea of Pakistan copying Iran’s governing framework. It makes quite a bit of sense, Iran is now the established success model for the Islamic world, the torch bearer. They might be at odds with Arab govts, but for subcontinental muslims they are clearly in the influence seat.
Iran’s system though, has a clerical elite voting amongst themselves which ensures competent leadership with long term foresight and mission sanctity. (Putting Khamenei’s son in was a bit of a reflexive decision IMHO)
How does Pakistan allot this top job? If it is battle prowess and sharp elbows to the top, the results are not going to be the same.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Let’s just put the Chief of Army Staff in charge and be done with it.

This is basically what we have now. So we may as well formalize it.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yes, but how does he get selected? Seniority is not a great system. I am sure there is more to it in the backrooms.

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

That process may not ever be visible to anyone outside of the top circle.

The pulls and pushes of politics also determines the choice of certain BJP CM’s, a process cloaked in opacity?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

The PM appoints the COAS based on a shortlist. This is my understanding.

Anyway, we have a Field Marshal for life. He should just rule Pakistan. Obviously, I’m being a bit tongue-in-cheek.

What we have in Pakistan is a managed democracy or “hybrid rule”. It doesn’t matter who the individual COAS is, all decisions on foreign policy (especially India policy) are made by Pak Fauj. Anyone who doesn’t like it quickly finds themselves in deep trouble.

Whether one likes it or not, Pakistan is a national security state. Our neighbors on the east and the west are hostile to us. Pak Fauj is the only institution capable of protecting the motherland and the ideology of Pakistan.

The civilians can go on foreign tours and play at being in power. They are not really running the show and they should get that idea in their heads.

The irony is that it was “Operation Sindoor” that cemented Asim Munir’s status in Pakistan and led to him being made Field Marshal for life. Not exactly what the Indian government had planned. Such actions will always have a rally around the flag effect.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Our main concern is national security.

Economic growth is not everything.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I genuinely don’t think people on this site want to engage with me on serious literary topics.

It’s absolutely fine.

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0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

All the hem and haw in Pakistan seems to be about the military being dissatisfied by the size of its budget and find creative ways to restructure the budget to give it an even higher portion of it. Every thing else seems like window dressing.

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yess!! If only that were the case, it would make for one powerful subcontinent!

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

There was a book review that was posted on BP by Omar Ali:

“https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/07/26/book-review-the-quetta-experience-a-study-of-attitudes-and-values-within-the-pakistan-army-by-david-o-smith/

Some interesting points from the review and the book:

“New generation that has been fighting against the militants for the last two decades sees internal security as existential threat to the country and India as a secondary threat.”

Army’s attitudes and values have changed very little in the 37 years of this study, and there is no reason to expect they will change appreciably in the future”

I am therefore very surprised at how successful Munir has been able to take over the all power structures within Pakistan without much visible murmurs from within the army. None of his recent predecessors showed this kind of ambition. He seems to have gone further than even Musharraf.

How has the army, which has changed very little in 37 years, allowed this is interesting..

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

The COAS became Field Marshal because of “Operation Sindoor”. India should have realized such an episode would cause a rally around the flag effect.

Whatever dissatisfaction there was with the COAS because of the treatment of IK and the PTI has lessened significantly.

He’s now all in all in the country and the Fauj as a whole is in a stronger position.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

He became field marshal because of Pahalgam.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

India likes it this way! Another five years or so will be wasted by the likes of Mohsin Naqvi!

Imran was the real deal, Atif Mian was the real deal. India wants Pakistan to play militarily in Afghanistan. India wants Pakistan to double down and commit its budget for decades on military. A Shareef with economy and budget to spend on roads and rails would have been too good for Pakistan. You know what else India wants: a Bhutto PM of Pakistan, Imran dead and Shahbaz exiled.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kishore Kumar

I am not sure that India or GoI …wanted to strengthen PakMil’s clench on the Pakistani state. But you are probably not wrong in that its not really undesirable.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago

the bearded maulvi will take over is longest running feint in Pakistan’s foreign policy. Fool Indi(r)a once, shame on you …

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Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

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Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

None of his recent predecessors showed this kind of ambition.”

“I am therefore very … seems to have gone further than even Musharraf.”

This is not true, Kayani immediately comes to mind. Both come from poor families. The defining feature of Munir is his lower middle class Pak-nationalist islamic upbringing. To Bajwa and his own colleagues, Munir was preferable over the even more ambitious Faiz. Also, when Imran sank due to missteps with Ukraine and Saudia, Faiz had to go down with the ship.

Bajwa and Kayani both got their 6 years. Only Raheel Sharif took the well paying job in Saudi Arabia rather than the extension.

Bajwa’s father was a Lt. Colonel, in social standing Bajwa can probably be compared to Musharraf whose family was well off too. Both of them kicked Nawaz Sharif out.

Raheel Sharif comes from a family of decorated military officers infact two Nishan-e-Haider, Pakistan’s equivalent of Param Vir Chakra. He had a legacy to preseve and not much left to prove.

Raheel laid the groundwork for Pakistan’s 8000 troops, a air defense battery, and a fighter squadron protection Damman, KSA on the Persian Gulf facing Iran. There is also chatter of Pakistani troops deep inside Yemen overlooking gulf of Aden.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

some of this spilt out into the open with the ouster of that tea sipping jernail who finds himself imprisoned now.

Kabir
1 month ago

General Faiz worked against the interests of Pak Fauj.

That’s why he is in the situation he is in. One man is not bigger than the institution as a whole.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

I think……its a sad state of affairs when educated citizens of Pakistan are unable to have clarity on the illegitimacy of totalitarian misrule and embrace it instead of condemning it.

I … do not wish to get into an argument with you – we clearly have strongly differing views on this. Cheers.

Kabir
1 month ago

Pakistan is a hybrid regime. This is reality. What’s the point of “condemning” it?

We are a national security state and we will always be one since we are surrounded by enemies on all sides.

Cheers.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

I ….appreciate you having a discussion with me on a topic that you are …sensitive on, without it descending into …silliness. Seriously.

Kabir
1 month ago

As long as you don’t become personally nasty to me. There is no compromise on that.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Faiz and Muneer were on …competing opposite sides in the back room. Faiz clearly lost. If he had won, you would have to be saying something similar about Muneer.

Let’s not pretend otherwise.

Kabir
1 month ago

Asim Munir is the legitimate COAS. General Faiz was not.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who goes against Pak Fauj.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

You yourself said that ‘COAS is appointed by the PM’. Well, Imran was elected PM when he attempted to appoint Faiz as COAS no?

Now its documented history that in response, PakMil orchestrated a legislative ‘coup’ and imprisoned both him and Faiz.

The ‘legitimacy’ of how Muneer ascended the Pakistani…Raj gaddi will be determined by history. I’m going to be …..selectively quiet on this, for the time being, so as not to ‘hurt your sentiments’.

Kabir
1 month ago

Oh please! Imran Khan was brought to power by the Fauj and he was removed by the Fauj.

Anyone who thinks that the Fauj doesn’t run Pakistan is delusional.

Imran’s problem was that he got too big for his britches. And now he’s paying for that.

Any PM who gets too big for his britches will be summarily removed.

Also by the way, IK was removed by General Bajwa not by Munir.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

of course Immy was ‘brought to power’ by PakMil. But you as a patriotic Pakistani are able to happily digest such unconstitutional and clearly illegal meddling by the military. That is the tragedy that in my view, Pakistan has to overcome, in order to shift the probability of it ever crawling away from the cliff edge it perpetually finds itself in.

We can agree to disagree.

Kabir
1 month ago

The point is that all the pro Imran people are fine with him being brought to power because at that time the Fauj was against Mian Sahab. But they are not fine with him being removed the institution.

Pak Fauj has always and will always rule Pakistan. That’s the reality.

We have enemies on all sides and the Army is the only institution protecting the ideology of Pakistan.

And also it’s not like the pro Imran people are pro democracy either. They just want their guy as PM. Otherwise, a truly pro democracy person would have been appalled when Mian Sahab was removed.

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

>We have enemies on all sides and the Army is the only institution protecting the ideology of Pakistan.

It is hard to deny that the Pakistan Army and its forcing of policy choices onto the Pakistani state, is the reason why Pakistan has ended up with ‘enemies’ on either side of its border.

Kabir
1 month ago

Afghanistan didn’t accept the Durand Line in 1947. India and Pakistan went to war over Kashmir in 1947.

But sure let’s blame Pak Fauj for everything.

We are in a hostile neighborhood. National security is above everything.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

India has China and Pakistan to deal with. And is dealing with them with …better results than Pakistan has no?

Its one thing to support Military totalitarianism if it actually gave Pakistan ‘good results’. But PakMil has given Pakistan – dismemberment and perpetual addiction to IMF bailouts. Not to mention a colossal failure in its Afghanistan policy.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago

Afghanistan needs mowing for the forseeable future. Pakistan is arming, housing and training former Afghan army personnel and an assortment of groups who are temporarily taking over district headquarters in Afghanistan.

Long term solution is implementation of Sharia law in Pakistan (pun intended) as is clearly the will of devout muslims of Pakistan we sample in this forum.

Pakistanis have their head up so many butts at once it would make for an awesome spy movie franchise. Name is Rabet, Yakub Rabet …

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Indosaurus
1 month ago

I know we are never going to change your mind on this.
But, just consider a hypothetical.

There is an army which legitimises it’s rule over a worried populace as a protector of the state in a ‘bad’ neighbourhood.
If the neighbourhood turns ‘good’ the people will feel safe to revolt and overthrow the army ruling them.

What does the army do now? Does the neighbourhood turn better or worse?

This is a pure hypothetical, let us call the state Prussia, to make things easier.

Kabir
1 month ago

It is because of Pak Fauj that Pakistan is a nuclear power. This is why India can never ever think of creating another Bangladesh.

Pak Fauj is the only reason why we still have an Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Pakistan is an ideological state. You somehow keep forgetting that. It is Pak Fauj that protects the Ideology of Pakistan (Two Nation Theory).

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

What Pakistan needs is a less militant way to stir the pot and keep their claim over Indian Kashmir alive. This will keep the millennial and older Pak nationalists engaged till they die of old age. At the same time it will free up Pak army to pursue other hobbies.

JAAC in PoK is offering lessons right now: agitation over Kashmir statehood, share of electricity produced in Kashmir, even law-fare over Indus water treaty or mobilization of army to the border to threaten the Chenab-Bias link tunnel. Do anything but the terrorists …

This will be followed by years of negotiation and an agreement that would be near-identical to the original IWT, maybe restoration of a couple of weekly trains across the border, Gill and Suryavanshi setting Gaddafi stadium on fire, the good old days … if you do it fast enough you may even get to claim that Pakistan negotiated restoration of statehood/370/domicile … and that it fought all along for Kashmiri people …

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kishore Kumar

yeah I think GoI is …likely saving the ‘restoration of statehood’ card as a sweetener for Pak to claim in future negotiations.

Indosaurus
1 month ago

💯 generic sweetener. Can be used anytime, one time only.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

There is a nice growing list of …carrots that GoI has fabricated out of sticks.

  1. Restoration of IWT – with tweaks.
  2. Statehood for JnK
  3. Restore trade and medical services access for Pak citizens
  4. Restore cricket ties including IPL participation – this last one may sound trivial but it really isn’t.
0M-3
1 month ago

Some of those carrots I hope never get used especially restoration of trade. That’s just asking to subsidize the opposing military.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  0M-3

They can be, as long as the terror pipeline is irreversibly shut down.

I don’t care if the Pakistani military profits from trade, and steals from the pakistani state – that’s Pakistan’s internal issue. But yes, trade access should be used to incentivize a shift away from terrorism.

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

True, agree.

Kabir
1 month ago

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By Leighton Woodhouse

https://unherd.com/2026/08/the-slow-death-of-substack

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Substack is monetized though. There is the opportunity for some people to make a lot of money from paid subscriptions.

Also there are literary magazines on it like “Republic of Letters” which feature different writers.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The point is the monetization. That’s the bottom line on Substack.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago

hahaI love how a random joke finds itself worked into this post 😀

On the current “system” reform in Pakistan – this is a…..replay of a dance we’ve seen many times before in Pak. Its ultimately all about $$$ and ringfencing the damn civilians going forward. With ‘smaller administrative units’, future Bhuttos and Sharifs will find it harder if not logistically impossible to build patronage networks and political strength from the ground-up.

The Pakistani military has decades of experience of ‘winning’ against their competition for ruling Pakistan.

Kabir
1 month ago

You do realize that Punjab (for example) cannot be split without the consent of the Punjab Assembly.

Good luck trying to get that through a legislative assembly which has a PML-N majority.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

PakMil does not have to go through with the threat to actually split up the provinces. Their real concern is the budget, and secondly, perpetuating and solidying their vise grip on Pakistani ‘politics’. Merely a threat of system re-organization is sufficient.

Besides, the ‘details’ of the system “reform” can be …negotiated in the back-rooms.

Kabir
1 month ago

Mohsin Naqvi had to walk back what he said.

It was a trial balloon. Pak Fauj saw it wasn’t going to work and therefore walked it back.

Provinces are not going to be split.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago

Pak army is the Brotherhood of Iron. Their young put heads on the line to hold the country in balance and check the Waderas. It gives confidence to Mojahir clerk and the Punjabi farmer. That a Kayani born to a subedar, a Munir born to a school teacher rules, gives Pakistani lower classes a hard on. Ditto for Musharraf and Bajwa the salaried upper middle classes.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago

Pakistan needs more provinces and Field Marshal Asim Munir has decided that it must be done. If he manages to create more provinces, all his sins on the domestic front will be forgiven as the demand for more provinces and better administration is a popular one that resonates with the common people.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

This is…….the exact opposite of what Kabir is claiming re the popularity of ‘more provinces’.

Indosaurus
1 month ago

I think it’s happening. The army does seem keen on it, they’re just letting the idea settle into the populace a bit.
On the face of it, it doesn’t seem too bad. Just that the implementation will be used to do a lot of sharp elbowing and King Kong has massive guns.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago

It’s popular everywhere outside of Sindh. It’s not popular with the political parties though who rule the provinces as their personal fiefdoms.

However PMLN government is fake, since they got wiped out in the real elections to PTI backed candidates and were only ‘handed’ the government in the ‘morning selection’ after giving some big concessions to the Army. Everyone knows it including themselves this is why SS is the PM and not NS.
Therefore if PMLN doesn’t play ball, they can be sent home packing.

PPP however would not agree to divide Sindh since they lose their cash cow Karachi. They will play their cards but I think AM is dead set on creating more provinces now.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

This might be a good idea. It is an experiment worth trying. Unlikely that it will go through though.

How are the smaller provinces of Pakistan doing right now? A cursory reading shows that the size of provinces in Pakistan is correlated with gdp per capita and hdi.

Would smaller Pakistani provinces be the Nepalese, and Indian kind? or would they be the Iranian, Afghan, or Myanmar kind? It is **very** expensive to maintain so many secretariats and assemblies and executive, judicial, bureaucratic paraphernalia.

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S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  Kishore Kumar

I don’t expect more than 10-12 provinces. 2 in Sindh, 3 in Baluchistan, 3 in Punjab, 2 in KP, perhaps GB and AJK as seperate provinces as well.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

One of the first things that the CCP did after invading and annexing East Turkestan, is split it into 2 provinces. India has arguably had some degree of success after ‘administrative reorganization’ of JnK.

PakMil obviously wants to take a page from this book, and apply it to Balochistan. Pakistan already did it in a way, by splitting off Gilgit Baltistan ages ago (and giving away Kashmiri land to the CCP).

Besides, an overall ‘system reset’ will also provide a fig-leaf to its belated copy-cat Article 370 style changes with PoJK.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago

PoJK is overpopulated and complicated enough as is. They could split away Baloch south and make a union territory in Balochistan with capital in Turbat with a SEZ in Gwadar, just like India did with J&K and Ladakh. Then offer statehood after 20 years of peace talks.

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0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  Kishore Kumar

It is **very** expensive to maintain so many secretariats and assemblies and executive, judicial, bureaucratic paraphernalia.

It could be done in a phased manner where the high courts of certain provinces remain in their original state. That’s what happens in India where the number of high courts is 25 but the total number of states is higher at 28. It does increase the burden on the bureaucracy and executive thought. But in another sense it also gives the govt more opportunities to give out doles such as govt convoys for more top bureaucrats, judges, etc.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  0M-3

Yeah, they made a constitutional court of Pakistan which is more supreme than the supreme court. Helps with job creation and muddling everything. This is classic move of the Mojahir rentier class.

0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  Kishore Kumar

Why blame the Mojahirs when even the rest of the state is rentier and feudal.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  0M-3

Munir, Musharraf, Zia …

Jinnah, Liaquat, Bhutto …

Mojahirs, securing power by muddling things up, tying knots upon knots.

Local ethnicities are secure, grounded and enjoy life. Status quo, cherish what they have. There is a grace in how they conduct themselves.

Mojahirs otoh have stomach ulcers, aspirations, and schemes.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

That much of Lahore-Faisalabad-Rawalpindi-Sialkot people are Pakistanis is an accident of history. If there were no Muslim League and British plans, punjabis like Iqbal would have been writing poems to ‘Mother’ India.

Bulleh Shah, and Nanak, come to mind. Basant comes to mind. There is a sweet breeze that runs in Punjabi culture, turned putrid with Mojahir farts.

Sialkotis are the most industrious and confident people in Pakistan. Lahoris are a famously jovial people.

Nawaz Sharif’s mannerism, family, and business acumen would have fit right into Jullandhar-Ludhiana-Govindgarh. Think Jindals of steel or Munjals of Hero motorcycles.

This is in contrast with the Baluch sardars, … or the Sindhi waderas and Pirs, or the Pashtun tribesmen who are not as industrious and have built nothing, written nothing, and accomplished nothing.

Having said this, north Punjabis are gujjar, arain, rajput, territorial and greedy for land.

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  Kishore Kumar

Damn!! That’s crazy slander towards the baluchs, and pathans.

Not that I necessarily disagree though.

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  Calvin

Mojahirs made Pakistan, Majha-Potohar rule it.

Brains and Brawn, others are hanger ons.

Ask Sindhi Muslims or Pakistani Pashtuns what is special about their homeland and they say sufis! and expect you to be impressed.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

I have no issue with the creation of more administrative units. However, it must not be done on an ethnic basis. We don’t need to undermine the unity of Pakistan.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Aren’t you already ethnic units?

0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Balochistan isn’t an ethnic unit as it has more Pakhtuns than Baloch. Quetta is considered a Pakhtun city.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Yes, and this is precisely the problem. In my view, this undermines the unity of Pakistan.

We are all Pakistanis and we need to get over thinking of ourselves as Punjabi, Pashtun etc. We must all be Pakistanis first and whatever else only afterwards.

Right now, Punjab is ruled by a Punjabi party (PML-N), Sindh is ruled by Sindhis (PPP) and KPK is ruled by Pashtuns (PTI).

Administrative units should be created on a non-ethnic basis. For example, in China any city that reaches a certain level of population is automatically made a province.

I would have no issue with a Lahore province, a Karachi province etc.

The US has 50 states but everyone is American first. There is no serious talk of secession.

girmit
girmit
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

and a very grand one at that

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes, and that was the last time there was an attempt at secession.

My larger point was that the number of states or administrative units is not an issue. But everyone must identify with the country first.

There is no compromise on this.

Pakistan will never allow any challenge to the territorial integrity of the nation.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Don’t think it will be done with ethnicity in mind.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Do you need 2/3 majority from provincial and Central legislatures to legally make this happen ? If so, isn’t that hard?

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

Yes, provinces cannot be divided without a constitutional amendment.

Here is a good piece on this whole idea:

“Wrecking the provinces”

By Khurram Husain

https://www.dawn.com/news/2020929/wrecking-the-provinces

Let’s get one thing clear. None of this is about bringing ‘good governance’. Those are pious words that are always used to mask impious intentions. This is actually about wrecking the fortresses into which the democratic forces of the country have been forced to retreat. The democratic forces are the political parties, which with all their inadequacies and imperfections, are the only carriers of the people’s will in our society today. There are three main parties — the PTI, PML-N and PPP. Each controls one provincial government. Each is nourished, indeed kept alive, by the resources and powers of the provincial government they control. Without this control, their voice and presence in the country would shrink — much like the PML-Q shrank when it lost control of the federal government in 2008, and then made a spirited attempt to try and gain control of Punjab in 2022.

This is exactly the situation that the 18th Amendment and its associated NFC award anticipated. That is why the provinces were strengthened and endowed with ample resources. The idea was to build little fortresses around the country into which civilian, democratically based power centres could retreat when the inevitable reassertion of non-democratic power came. That moment is now upon us, and the interior minister’s words suggesting that the “system has collapsed” and perhaps a new federal structure is needed are the first major growl of non-democratic forces against these fortresses.

Archer
Archer
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Thanks a lot for sharing this.

My two cents: a large, diverse country like Pakistan cannot not be run in a top down manner by any one institution leave alone any one individual. What ever the flaws of the legislature and executive, weakening them will be a mistake.

I cant see how this act can be pulled off without great instability. If the intent is what this article says, then I would be very surprised if these long standing political parties (PPP,PML) and the most (PTI) will roll over just like that.

This would be an existential threat to them wouldn’t it?

I had my doubts about intent when Naqvi said everybody had six months to figure this out..

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Archer

I don’t think provinces are going to be split anytime soon.

I don’t mind the creation of more administrative units on a non-ethnic basis.

Like I said in another comment, China makes a city a province when it hits a certain population threshold. Lahore is a city of 11 million. It can certainly be a province. Karachi is a city of 20 million.

Certainly PML-N is against the division of Punjab. PPP is against the division of Sindh.

But the question is how much power any of these parties have when it comes to the desires of Pak Fauj. The PM knows he serves at the pleasure of the Field Marshal and will be sent home if he doesn’t cooperate.

Anyway, Naqvi had to walk back a lot of what he said. It was just a trial balloon.

Indosaurus
1 month ago

Btw, as a complete non sequitur.

Do you remember that ghost murmur CIA magic tech rescue of the US pilot shot down in Iran, where they used some supernatural tech with magnetic imaging to detect his heartbeat.
Well it’s 4 months now. The US never revealed the pilot, the rescuers, no tell all, no books, no heroic parades, nothing.

The whole story felt like a fabrication at the time. I think my piece comes closest to the truth. It’s a good insight into the fog of war and media fabrication at the very least.

https://indosaurus.substack.com/p/the-miraculous-rescue?r=1mp4jc

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

I remember reading this when you first shared it and yeah, lot of this makes sense.

Also, the sheer laziness and lack of ambition in Indian media is annoying.

Indosaurus
1 month ago

Yes, sry, it just struck me about the lack of a fox news puff piece in all this time. Also while media is celebrating the death of substack and blogs etc, scant attention is paid to how co-opted they are. The internet and information freedom, has a million issues, but this expose of how herd like and callous MMS is with the truth is a +.

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Kabir
1 month ago

“Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye sign tripartite defence agreement in Makkah”

https://www.dawn.com/news/2021248/pakistan-saudi-arabia-turkiye-sign-joint-defence-agreement-in-makkah

The agreement reflects the three countries’ “shared commitment to further strengthening their collective security and to promoting peace, security, and stability in the region and beyond, in pursuit of a secure and prosperous future”, the FO said.

“The agreement is intended to strengthen collective deterrence against any act of aggression, and stipulates that any armed attack against any one of the three states shall be regarded as an attack against them all.”

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

So the next time India attacks Pakistan (and unfortunately there will be a next time at some point) that attack will also be seen as an attack on Saudi and on Turkiye.

The next time there is a threat to Saudi it will also be seen as a threat to Pakistan.

0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

No it won’t. The last time Iran attacked Saudi it didn’t count as an attack on Pakistan.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  0M-3

This treaty was signed today.

It doesn’t apply to past actions.

What’s the point of a mutual defense pact if an attack on one country is not treated as an attack on all the partners?

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

This will be the last comment on this topic unless the conversation remains cordial and objective.

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Can we please not get into hypotheticals here? I see this as an opening for yet another flame war.

Last edited 1 month ago by Agni
Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Agni

It’s pretty obvious what a mutual defense pact entails.

What’s in it for Pakistan if an attack on Pakistan isn’t going to be treated as an attack on the other partners?

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yes, that’s fine. So what does this treaty in fact entail? What are the granularities?

Kishore Kumar
Kishore Kumar
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

‘What’s in it for Pakistan…’

Loans

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  Agni

“Mutual defence pact” is a euphemism for a mercenary rentier agreement.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

“The Gulf’s new security architecture takes shape”

By Baqir Sajjad Syed

https://www.dawn.com/news/2021269/the-gulfs-new-security-architecture-takes-shape

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  Kabir

Turkey was already provding a lot of support to Pakistan during Sindoor, and I think this just formalizes it. While Saudi is not expected to do anything more than provide funding and oil and use their diplomatic clout in Washington in Pakistan’s favor.

Indosaurus
1 month ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

So exciting. Is Pakistan part of NATO now?
Aggression on PAK will be considered aggression on Turkey, which is aggression on NATO and vice versa.
ipso facto Pak is in NATO.
woohoo.

0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

The alliance network is much more conditional that most states would like to admit. Furthermore, Pakistan doesn’t need the NATO, it already has major non-NATO ally status with the US which gives the US enough justification to enter any conflict it is involved in. The reality is this “alliance” add nothing to Pakistan and simply burdens with increased threats from Iran which can attack Saudis. Furthermore, we’ve already seen how the Saudi-Pakistan security pact essentially collapsed when the Saudis refused to assist Pakistanis against the Afghans and later the Indians, and the Pakistanis refused to fight against the Iranian when they fired directly on Saudi airports and ports.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  0M-3

Just to keep the chronology straight:

“Sindoor” was in May 2025.

The Pakistan-Saudi mutual defense pact was signed in September 2025.

We have yet to see how Saudi would act in the event of another India-Pakistan conflict.

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

Former federal minister Mushahid Hussain Sayed has already said that this treaty is against the India-Israel alliance.

“Second, this Muslim Defence Pact is [a] big blow to Israel and [the] ‘Abraham Accords’, as it would be an effective counter to Israeli expansionism,” Hussain added. “Third, it’s good for Pakistan’s security, given the emerging India-Israeli Axis, which has [the] backing of some regional regimes as well.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/2021276/historic-day-experts-politicos-weigh-in-on-makkah-defence-pact

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