a discussion of things brown….
very nice podcast, shorn of alleles, phenotype etc. this was a relief. abhinav asked good questions. one thing i could not pick up was that you said indian females were attracted to steppe males as they resembled v d …… abhinav clearly did not pick up your joke about u p brahmins being less smart that iyers. in all a good podcast.
…resembled Hrithik Roshan
Iyers need to be smart. Their survival depends on it , being the island of Aryans in the vast Desert of Dravidians. UP Brahmins have no such issues.
The link got frozen during the answering of question re AMT/OIT. I am not sure if during this interruption was mentioned a great recent transformation of AMT/OIT into IT but the general audience could not hear this. It was interesting an observation that Aryans were good looking with remarkable moustaches and probably pretty attractive to local girls. Razib stopped short of saying if they brought something else except their genes, for e.g. the language wasn’t mentioned at all. He was also, understandably, reserved to say everything he knows about the current situation in US where, it seems, the terror just started. Kafka is wanted to explain the process. I would be interested – if, for e.g., Texas separates from the rest of US, does it mean that BP blog will also split on Texan part and the rest of the world part?
Abhinav’s questions were remarkably free of statistical interrogatives apart from that one question on sample size. So here goes –
1. Do you consider members of a jati to be a tight fit for a retrospective cohort (genetically)? Especially when the social beginnings of a jati are well established (both traditionally and also stemming from modern research).
2. Are there any F-test studies that have conclusively established the cohort-ness of a jati? Modern genetic studies keep sampling on the basis of jati with the assumption of ergodicity.
3. Akin to the supposed proxy of the Steppes component for the spread of IE languages, is there an equivalent for the Dravidian languages?
4. Is there really nothing differentiating a UP Brahmin from a Tamil Brahmin? Would it be impossible for you to guess the state from a sample? They live 1500 kms apart in climactic conditions so different that I am surprised that there has been no drift.
hey dumbshit, i explicitly say they are different in the interview. FUCKING LISTEN.
if you google ‘tamil brahmin genetics’ you immediately come up with this post https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2015/08/18/tamil-brahmins-are-alien-and-native/
it depends on the jat, but lots of them share enrichment of medium length IBD segments and exhibit no population stratification. so yes. depending on which one. e.g., patidars seem to count in this fashion, so do kammas and iyers.
Are there any F-test studies that have conclusively established the cohort-ness of a jati?
do you fucking read any genetics papers? you ask questions but your questions indicate you don’t bother to read anything, or you’re an illiterate moron.
no. though brahmins in south india all have enriched steppe & speaking dravidian languages.
if you keep asking questions are easy to answer trivial google, i will ban you for excessive midwittery.
this is not an opening for a discussion, i’m telling you how it is
Nice. This is an excellent, near perfect, layman intro podcast to South Asian genetics.
Going to spread this around to brown non-nerds since many people are curious about our genetics.
I wish the criticism of woke stuff at the end was left out, as it doesn’t add anything to the genetics but will reduce credibility in the eyes of some ppl.
Also Razib eluded to this by saying “it doesn’t follow that nothing is from India” but would have been good to mention explicitly that modern Hinduism is very likely a synthesis. Since that’s what Indian people are curious about in a political sense.
Great conversation. I like the fact it gave a simple but broad overview of South Asia and the synthesis of the people there. Also loved the shout-out to Bihari Ashrafs!
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