A toxic cocktail of American narcissism and Indian American self-righteousness

Like many of you, I’m monitoring what’s going on in the Indian subcontinent. I’m not saying much because I don’t know much. No value to add.

But then this showed up in my timeline, and I honestly could not believe that the confluence of characteristics we’ve been talking about recently might lead to such bizarre self-obsessed comments:

I see this person’s comments in my timeline way too often. Best case scenario is that she’s some sort of ideological grifter who knows how to push buttons. But this indecent.

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17 Replies to “A toxic cocktail of American narcissism and Indian American self-righteousness”

  1. I have a feeling that soon our brown woke will outrun (or perhaps already have)even the white /black ones, and the white/black ones will no longer be “woke” enough for our brown woke-ers. I mean Sanders is already feeling the heat now . Soon our brown woke-ers will be the only game in town 😛

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  2. My brown blood is boiling!

    More seriously, I recall discourse being more nuanced and informed than this just a few years ago. Who started this WOKEness nonsense? Can we find one or more people to pin blame to? What about Ta Nehisi Coates?

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  3. Looking at the desi next gen democratic politicians/ campaign managers , i think it would be soon be time for Communist party of India to contest in USA. I mean they are hardly pulling up trees in India.

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  4. Is it possible that sairo rao is blaming India for practicing white supremacy and white colonialism?

    Bizarre as this sound, this is a real question. I am completely confused.

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  5. Start watching from 4 minutes in:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2WeWgcSMk

    I can’t figure out what the above comments mean.

    Racism always hurts the racist. The person at whom the racism is directed may or may not be harmed by racism. In many cases the person at whom racism is directed benefits from the racism directed towards them.

    This is my understanding of eastern philosophy. Does anyone disagree?

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  6. Looking at this Rao’s tweet alone I cannot see anything problematic. I see #3 as an extension and elaboration of #2. And I would agree with her. We can see similar situations in Africa with colonizers’ overall heritage including borders drew by the ruler. Considering that she has political aspirations we can understand some degree of her theatricality. Couple political points here or there can’t hurt.

    The problem is somewhere else, I could (as a witness) elaborate extensively but just briefly. It is a movement incompatible with the stream of contemporary civilization, anachronistic, rigid, intolerant, anti-intellectual, anti-national, anti-individual, anti-historical, anti-artistic, anti-scientific, anti-rational, anti-economic, anti-common sense, horde-collective, screaming, brainless, characterized only by turning the ass toward the clouds.

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    1. Milan, both India and Pakistan are very powerful exception countries that transform the world via their choices.

      Anyone who does not recognize this is incredibly disrespectful, foolish and wrong. Many European ideologies (of which marxism and post modernism are only some) tried to colonize the minds of darkies with inferiority complex to damage self confidence and keep darkies “weak”.

      item 3 is incredibly offensive to Asians, Pakistanis and Indians.

      Many members of the deep state see themselves as the fulcrum upon which the world turns. They see themselves as influencing events all over the world.

      The deep state organized many terrorist attacks and Jihadi Islamist militias in Bosnia and Kosovo. Of course Zawahiri (a proxy for deep state) fought there. But he was not alone. Many Pakistanis fought in Bosnia and Kosovo. The Deep State and Saudi Arabia organized a media campaign to demonize Serbia in global public opinion. Serbia has still not been able to clear her name from all the false charges.

      [Serbia “DID” make mistakes in the 1990s and I do not support these mistakes. However the Arab League, OIC, Turkey did make many misleading allegations against Serbia that much of the world believed.]

      The Deep State has not done and is not doing these things for the English, white supremacy and white colonialism.

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      1. Just a quick one…
        White supremacy mentioned in the tweet is not any ‘white’. It is not Russian, Italian, Scandinavian, Irish, Polish, Serbian…it is Wasp supremacy. I mentioned earlier to articulate some movement which will request from Wasps (English) to recognize (without apology) their genocides conducted in the past. If there are few of you ready I am happy to draft something and later iteratively enhance this request. We can make it wider (e.g. contact Shashi) and push to make it global to include as many as possible, especially those who were affected victims in the past.

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        1. Milan, are you sure that your definition of “white” matches hers?

          Many post modernists and marxists call the Dalai Lama and other practitioners of eastern philosophy “white supremacists” .

          Many post modernists and marxists also have a lot of rage against Russians, Italians, Scandinavians, Irish, Poles and Serbians.

          Most people in the world–especially Asians–see England as weak and declining. Why would Asians care about criticizing a weak declining power? Doesn’t it make Asians look like a strong bully beating up an old sick weak and not so bright retiree?

          We are discussing actions taken by the great great grandparents of English people. Grandchildren are not responsible for the crimes of their grandparents.

          The main global interest in England today is to stabilize England and slow the English rate of decline.

          One of the largest way the English people have hurt the world is via their promotion of marxism, post modernism and fabian socialism. They are still trying to keep the “darkies” down via colonization of the mind. Any ideas on how to persuade the English to stop doing this?

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  7. I do agree with everything what you say (only I don’t know about Serbian mistakes in 1990). I understand her statement as intentions by English, US and some others to enforce white supremacy through self-declared exceptionalism. They did this openly during the colonial era and they continue to do now in a hidden way through deep state and various other ways.

    One of these ways is through the interpretation of history, including ancient. We wrote so many comments about these falsifications. How many time I mentioned Oxbridge/Harvard scholars and their intention to interpret history in their way. The fact is that English openly propagated their supremacy during their ruling in India, Africa, Asia, North America. I wrote what Churchill was talking about Indians. I believe that this tweet says about this (I don’t know her other work) i.e. she writes about neo-colonialism (see Venezuela) and neo-white supremacy (i.e. attempts to enforce white supremacy in international and geopolitical relations). My impression is that she did not assert that this thing exist (as a political aspirant she probably tries to be politically correct) but we all should take care that this ghost from the past does not come back as everyday politics.

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    1. Milan, she has a lot of criticism for Indians too:

      https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/01/18/how-to-avoid-offending-people/

      Honestly I don’t understand her world view.

      Deep State refers to Pakistani Army establishment. The Pakistani Army establishment doesn’t care two bits about England or America or anyone else. They have their own global agenda. Pakistanis think they are very powerful and wise.

      “One of these ways is through the interpretation of history, including ancient. We wrote so many comments about these falsifications. How many time I mentioned Oxbridge/Harvard scholars and their intention to interpret history in their way. The fact is that English openly propagated their supremacy during their ruling in India, Africa, Asia, North America. I wrote what Churchill was talking about Indians.”

      100% agreed. This is not “hard power” but very subtle “soft power”. We need to have a similarly very subtle intelligent response.

      ” she writes about neo-colonialism (see Venezuela)”
      Does she support Maduro?

      “and neo-white supremacy (i.e. attempts to enforce white supremacy in international and geopolitical relations).”

      What does this mean? There is no such thing as “white supremacy”. The rest has risen again.

      If anything the Europeans are free riding and not contributing enough towards the global commons. Europeans need to contribute more toward global public goods in close collaboration with the rest of the international community.

      “My impression is that she did not assert that this thing exist (as a political aspirant she probably tries to be politically correct) but we all should take care that this ghost from the past does not come back as everyday politics.”

      I don’t understand what this means. One of England’s and Europe’s largest problems is the growing caucasian dysfunctional lower middle class and underclass. We need to find a way to help them.

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  8. I did say that I was making my opinion only based on her tweet. I don’t know her other works and opinion about Maduro (I pointed on Venezuela as a case of neo-colonialism). At the end of the day she is not very important to spend more time on her.

    I think that you are very wrong about English that they are weak and declining and that their grandchildren are not responsible for deeds of their ancestors. Don’t forget that their genocides started in 1200es and continually lasted until today, generations after generations. They killed 100of millions, only 22 countries in the world have not experienced their aggression. Today’s generation also did their share (Iraq, Serbia, Libya, etc).

    They should acknowledge what their predecessors did to remove this hypothec from themselves. Until they do this, they will be guilty, too. I hope you don’t think – some previous generations killed 85 million Indians, but the today’s generation is ok, let’s forget those killed and move on. Those 85 m and millions of others were not killed by accident, there is an inherent logic and drive to keep repeating this. It seems that you and others are not ready yet to request a recognition for their past deeds. Pushing under carpet this thing will not be solved, it will be coming back and back again. All the best.

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  9. “I did say that I was making my opinion only based on her tweet. I don’t know her other works and opinion about Maduro (I pointed on Venezuela as a case of neo-colonialism). At the end of the day she is not very important to spend more time on her.”

    Understood and agreed.

    “I think that you are very wrong about English that they are weak and declining”

    I hope you are right. Some English people I know are pessimistic. Do you think Corbynism will decline? Corbyn might be the most dangerous prominent politician in a major global democracy since Hitler ran in 1933.

    “and that their grandchildren are not responsible for deeds of their ancestors.”

    I have not heard this perspective before. Can you make a case for this using Serbia’s pre Christian religion/culture/civilization? Can you make a case for this in Eastern orthodox Christianity?

    Is there a possible group karma at work?

    “Don’t forget that their genocides started in 1200es and continually lasted until today, generations after generations.”

    Agreed 🙁 What they did to the French in the 1400s was terrible. What they did to the Irish, Scots and their own fellow English people is too horrific to be believed. 🙁

    “They killed 100of millions, only 22 countries in the world have not experienced their aggression.”

    We are agreed.

    “Today’s generation also did their share (Iraq, Serbia, Libya, etc).”

    This requires stand alone discussions. Mostly English policy makers and many in their own military industrial complex have become stupid and incompetent. They don’t know what they are doing or how to do it. Increasing English capacity, competence and merit is very important.

    Serbia stands out from the other two. Why do you think the English disliked the Serbs so much in the 1990s?

    “They should acknowledge what their predecessors did to remove this hypothec from themselves.”

    I would rather they stop misbehaving now and stop trying to push post modernism, marxism and fabian socialism down the throats of everyone around the world. To a lesser degree I would like for them to stop backing Islamists against good moderate muslims.

    “Until they do this, they will be guilty, too.”
    Please see my request above. “IF” they stop misbehaving now, we can start having an open and frank discussion with them on these issues.

    “I hope you don’t think – some previous generations killed 85 million Indians, but the today’s generation is ok, let’s forget those killed and move on.”

    This is kind of my view. And kind of a non muslim pan Asian perspective. It is also an Asianized muslim perspective. We don’t like being angry at people who harm us. We want to love and respect them.

    “Those 85 m and millions of others were not killed by accident”

    True.

    ,”there is an inherent logic and drive to keep repeating this.”

    Yes. I want them to start by supporting global freedom of art and thought. And follow it up by discarding post modernism, Marxism and Fabian socialism. Then we can have open dialogue with them and resolve other issues.

    “It seems that you and others are not ready yet to request a recognition for their past deeds. Pushing under carpet this thing will not be solved, it will be coming back and back again. All the best.”

    England has become one of the world’s largest obstacles to freedom of art and thought. For there to be dialogue there needs to be freedom of art and thought. Dialogue, increasing intelligence and increasing mental health will result in understanding. Understanding will lead to adjustment. Which will solve the other issues you are mentioning.

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