Six years ago, I wrote an outraged post on BP when a British historian casually claimed that โthe British created Indiaโ (we had a very thriving commentariat then); a breathtaking erasure of one of the worldโs oldest civilizations.
Today, reading Francis Pikeโs piece in The Spectator, I feel the same cold disdain. Pike repeats the same old colonial fantasy: that India was a โpatchwork of principalities,โ and that Nehru and Gandhi โinventedโ the myth of Indian unity. Letโs be clear: this is not history. Itโs imperial nostalgia dressed up as analysis.
โIndiaโs first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, and Mahatma Gandhi both propagated the myth that India had always been a unified country.โ
โMore reflective commentators knew that this was hogwash.โ
โIt was the British whoโฆ for the first time introduced the rule of law and a democratic form of government.โ
This is colonial gaslighting at its most refined.
Civilizational Memory vs. Imperial Amnesia
There has always been a deep, unbroken sense of India as a civilizational unit; from the Indus Valley Civilization to the Mauryan Empire, the Gupta age, the Chola naval dominions, and the Mughal synthesis.
Religiously, philosophically, and culturally, Bharat has been an interconnected civilizational space for over three millennia, a เคถเคพเคเฅเคค เคชเฅเค of enduring memory. The British did not โinventโ India. They exploited the political disunity of the 18th century, much like every other empire before them. If anything, the British benefited from Indiaโs pre-existing cultural and trading networks, they didnโt create them.
The โStateletsโ Lie
Pikeโs language, โa patchwork quilt of 562 principalitiesโ, is deliberately misleading. Yes, there were hundreds of princely states at Partition. But many of these were massive โ Hyderabad alone was larger than France.
Even smaller states like Travancore and Mysore had rich, ancient political traditions that far outstripped the newly formed nation-states of Europe. To compare the sophisticated kingdoms of India circa 1700 CE to the tribal polities of ancient Germania circa 100 BCE โ as the previous British writer did in 2019 โ is simply a bald-faced lie.
The Real Irony
Pikeโs piece sneers at Nehruโs vision of a unified India while openly mourning the loss of Muslim supremacy in the Subcontinent:
โThe Westโs courting of Modi is seen as the continuation of the subjugation of Muslims, symbolized by Britainโs ousting of the Mughal Indian empire.โ
Ah, so now British colonialists are concerned about Mughal loss? The Mughal Empire collapsed well before the British seized control โ and it collapsed under its own contradictions. The deeper truth: Indiaโs unity is a civilizational fact, not a colonial invention. Itโs Britain that is an artificial union โ one that barely holds together Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland.
Final Thoughts
These tired colonial narratives reveal more about the fragility of our island’s self-image than about India itself. When your conquerors cannot even narrate your history without inserting themselves at the center, it tells you everything about the shallowness of their victory โ and the depth of your endurance. A Britain struggling to remain relevant in a post-imperial world must tell itself that India is a British artifact โ because to admit otherwise would be to acknowledge that history has passed by. What I wrote five years ago seems sadly to remain true now.
These jokers are trying their best to stay relevant. Unfortunately for them, nothing is permanent but change. These old fossils are withering away with time as they should.
Ultimately, only civilizational states survive the rigour of time. The Chinese, Persian and Indian civilizations are testament to that. I think the large population and area also may have mattered. Contrast this with the virtual annihilation of not just the native American cultures in North and South America, but also their peoples.
I don’t think Persia is a civilisation
Out of curiosity why not?
It deserves a whole post ๐
but in essence Islam is a civilisation like the West. Persia is a cultural subset, like the Anglosphere or the Francophone world.
If the Arabian world is the “Anglosphere” of Islam (the dominant cultural axis), the Persianate world is like the Francophone world, a bit of a has been power but culturally refined.
I feel South Asian Islam is a bit like Eastern and Central Europe; Western but not sine non qua
Persia existed prior to the advent of Islam. Islam is an ideology that was spread primarily by the sword. It also piggybacked upon the Persian empire’s culture which subsequently made it’s way into India via the Mughals. Similar to Christianity which piggybacked upon the Ancient Greek and Roman civilizations and usurping their holidays and framework. So just as Western civilization has a very non-Christian base, the so-called Islamic civilization has a non-Islamic Mesopotamian-Persian base. My two cents ๐
I’ll properly reply to all comments later on this evening. Just got to Asia (Dubai) so need to recalibrate!
it surely has but it is VERY intertwined with Islamicate mores. think of Asceplauis’s snake
England was a mixture of squabbling “principalities” too before the Vikings (Danes) invaded and tried to colonize the country. The notion that a country has no legitimacy today unless it was “united” in primordial times is tired nonsense. (I blame 19th century German Romantic nationalism for this.)
I second this
In actual fact, Britain did not “oust” the Mughal Empire. They ousted the Marathas (and some others) who had ousted the Mughals. The British just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
The Marathas were ousted in 1803-1805 in the 2nd Maratha Anglo war, and the third few years later just ended them. Their ‘rule’ was brief and did not have any legitimacy in most areas oustide their core region (which is why they never dared to dethrone the Mughal emperor) The British took India from the Mughals for Queen Victoria. Both Hindus and Muslims fought to restore the Mughal Empire in 1857, not the Maratha confederacy.
hmm it’s interesting how most of the Princely states are either Maratha or Rajput or maybe Nepali.. not very Muslim
Which further supports the fact that the British took power from Muslims not Hindus. They did not allow any major Muslim princely states, outside of Bhopal or Hyderabad that had a longer history of supporting them including 1857. Most other Muslim centres of power were directly colonized by the Raj such as Bengal, Awadh, Delhi, RohailKhand and many in Punjab, and the states annexed.
I guess the Mughals did maintain some nominal overlordship?
sure, why then does India vote on basis of caste and religion, and essentially made all this quite permanent in its census now. There is no India that is a political union that treats all people equally before law, there isnt even common law for all.In fact in 70 years, caste and religion are more important now than ever in determining its future.
I think the homogenisation of the Indian body-politic may be tough.
One has to make a distinction of being anti colonial, which is a moral position and also being objective. Otherwise one is just being woke . It took 75 yrs since Indian Independence and India has abandoned meritocracy, never observed common law for all, no free speech. No equality before law= no political unity= no real country. Because people are behaving like that, so it is like that. So it is perfectly right for british to say this. So, your argument is being proven wrong by Indians themselves. No equality before law means no country.
This is very harsh. Has India been perfect? No. But I think India did a decent job as an Independent nation. Was free speech in India perfect? No. But free speech existed to a large extent. India’s history as a democratic nation is quite impressive, much improvement to be desired, but still preety good. Compared to most post colonial countries, we never saw coups and suddenly power captures in India. So many countries in Latin America, Africa or even some of our neighbours have seen sudden coups and power grabs. India,’s democratic institutions survived.
Also no nation is perfect. The West for example is not perfect either. Thanks to political correctness, free speech is compromised. And the West is getting more and more autocratic with time. Just look at Communist Starmer’s UK.
It is not harsh, you are naive young person, but older you grow, the more you will value the idea of common equality before law. And comparing with those who did worse is not a real argument.. Determination of a country is political unity or it is endless contestation and eventually comes to power grab by some over others.
This is garbage. There is a difference in between a unified civilization and a unified nation. Did the British created India as a nation. Yes. One reason for that is for the first time in Indian history not only was the Indian subcontinent more or less unified but India became part of a much larger Empire (largest in human history) which included Nigeria, Kenya, Australia etc… So India was just a part of much larger Empire. This was first time something of this sort happened in Indian history.
Europe was a common civilization but it never became politically united. Same with South East Asia.
English doesnโt seem like your first language but you may want to improve your tone if you wish to keep commenting here?
English doesnโt seem like your first language but you may want to improve your tone if you wish to keep commenting here?
What exactly is the tone.
And why should it be first language.
China is doing far better than India, and no one cares about English as a first Lanuage
My apologies. English is not my first language, yes.
Ashoka’s rule pretty much covers the subcontinent except for some regions in Tamil Nadu/Kerala. Mughal rule at it’s peak is similar. It’s pretty much India+. What the excitable people on the internet tend to call Akhand Bharat transcends that too.
Conceptually the idea of Bharat as a nation/empire is pretty old and the idea of one ruler having suzerainty over it is quite old too. There even is an Ashvamedha yagna designed to designate you as such.
Wikipedia is a pretty good resource, have at it. A little history knowledge isn’t a dangerous thing.
I hope you know what is the Ashvamedha Yagna and the role of the Queen (mahesi)
Grow up.
Because you asked
The chief queen ritually called on the king’s fellow wives for pity. The queens walked around the dead horse reciting mantras and obscene dialogue with the priests.[14][29] The chief queen then had to spend the night beside the dead horse in a position mimicking sexual intercourse and was covered with a blanket.
(Some versions say the Queen had sex with the horse)
The best-known text describing the sacrifice is the Ashvamedhika Parva (Sanskrit: เค เคถเฅเคตเคฎเฅเคง เคชเคฐเฅเคต), or the “Book of Horse Sacrifice,” the fourteenth of eighteen books of the Indian epic poem Mahabharata. Krishna and Vyasa advise King Yudhishthira to perform the sacrifice, which is described at great length. The book traditionally comprises two sections and 96 chapters The critical edition has one sub-book and 92 chapters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvamedha
Your point is?
Because you asked
Clip clop, clip clop… Up jumps the
Apparently You have English comprehension problems,
So once again Because you asked
The chief queen ritually called on the kingโs fellow wives for pity. The queens walked around the dead horse reciting mantras and obscene dialogue with the priests.[14][29] The chief queen then had to spend the night beside the dead horse in a position mimicking sexual intercourse and was covered with a blanket.
(Some versions say the Queen had sex with the horse)
The best-known text describing the sacrifice is the Ashvamedhika Parva (Sanskrit: เค เคถเฅเคตเคฎเฅเคง เคชเคฐเฅเคต), or the โBook of Horse Sacrifice,โ the fourteenth of eighteen books of the Indian epic poem Mahabharata. Krishna and Vyasa advise King Yudhishthira to perform the sacrifice, which is described at great length. The book traditionally comprises two sections and 96 chapters The critical edition has one sub-book and 92 chapters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvamedha
I hear that with old age it get’s harder and harder to get going. Sometimes you have to resort to extraordinary kinks. Some people age gracefully, for others while the libido dies, the frustration mounts.
Now how about you regale us next with anecdotes about Sinhabahu, how he was born, and his inbred children.
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regale us next with anecdotes about Sinhabahu, how he was born, and his inbred children.
Sinhabahu was an Indian
Queens having sex with a Horse is glorified in the Mahabharata
So the evidence suggests Bestiality was an in thing for Indians, Just like drinking cow piss and eating cow shit
Thwap thwap thwa.. Oh dear, I see the poor under bridge goat lover can’t get it up.
Here, why don’t you read about some light pegging on your favourite site.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hambantota_International_Port, the bits about debt-trap diplomacy are especially good with China featuring prominently. I hope this provides some relief.
What has Queen Draupadi having sex with Horses to do with Hambanthota,
Or did the Draupadi peg you before having sex with the Horse.Or the Horse peg you before having sex with the queen
Because you asked.
Decided not to take it ant further ??
Aside from highlighting your infantile sex, poop and pee obsession, which is fun, I am pretty amazed at who you think you are mocking here. Your ancestors were converted or assimilated into that ancient aryan horse culture steeped in ritual and sacrifice of which we are left with mostly just the stories. Your more recent ancestors then converted to the religion of the latest conquerors of the subcontinent. This is your history whether you like it or not, warts and all. Cutting your nose to spite your face comes to mind.
Hambantota however is all yours, alone. Tell us again how the Chinese make great partners, I can’t get enough of that.
Just to remind you you were the one who brought the
There even is an Ashvamedha yagna designed to designate you as such.
So I guess you are the one from a “infantile sex, poop and pee obsession” culture. Even better culture where bestiality is idolized.
“who you think you are mocking here”
You are just some anonymous keyboard warrior.
Just a reminder my countrymen, the Tamils of Sri Lanka gave you chaps the worst drubbing India got.
All your skirmishes with China are nothing compared to the loss you had from the LTTE
They came into your soil and assassinated Rajiv
Every time I see or hear a Tamil I feel a great deal of warmth and camaraderie. The natural feeling is to embrace the person. Poor Rajiv had felt the same. By the law of averages there are bound to be one or two perverts I suppose.
On the yagna itself, clearly the purpose of the ritual has nothing to do with sex.
–> (Some versions say the Queen had sex with the horse)
You edited this in and are self-referencing. Fertility rites are always symbolic and don’t really involve actual acts. This is as much your culture as it is mine (btw the Lankans were still practicing animal sacrifice long after mainland India gave it up).
Hambantota though, no thoughts? You keep self gratifying about how 70+ years ago the Chinese exchanged rubber for rice. Hambantota port loans are still ongoing.
Every time I see or hear a Tamil I feel a great deal of warmth and camaraderie
I am 75% Tamil, but against separatism
This is as much your culture as it is mine (btw the Lankans were still practicing animal sacrifice
Not my culture. The Majority of Sri Lanka is Buddhist and has been so since about 300BC.
NO ANIMAL SACRIFICE.
This is genetically mostly the First peoples out of Africa. Culturally not contaminated by a culture where a Queen has sex with a horse. (Note Indus and first peoples out of africa did not use horses for whatever)
As you keep harping on the Chinese
from 1952 Rice Rubber Pact
R. G. Senanayake: “We noted on the Chinese side the absence of the spirit of bargaining and haggling on comparatively small points. On the other hand, they gave us the impression of being large minded and forthright in their dealings”
Cant say that of Indians, cannot be trusted and always haggling.
Anyway good for you, keep researching Sri Lanka, eg Rice Rubber Pact
I am 75% Tamil, but against separatism
Correctly Tamil speakers. My direct male ancestor was from Kalinga, Invaded in the 12th Century
Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience. Should have remembered this before engaging.
converted or assimilated into that ancient aryan horse culture steeped in ritual and sacrifice of which we are left with mostly just the stories. Your more recent ancestors then converted to the religion of the latest conquerors of the subcontinent
So you agree your ancestors engaged in animal sacrifice and queen having sex with a horse.
I did not bring it up, you xperia2015 proudly brought up those topics.