Yes they are Paki pedos & keep Hindu Temples, “Hindu”

I’m proud of what Sajid Javid has written and I agree with him.

Speak clearly, speak plainly. The ringleader and one other fellow of this pedophile gang was Sikh (apparently he converted to Sikhism to hide his identity) but the rest were Pakistani. One could have tightened the term to Punjabi rather than Asian as it unfairly castigates “model minorities” such as Gujarati and Hindus (and Bdeshis in this case).

I’m fighting a twitter war backing Sajid; one must clean the Augean stables that is the British Muslim community. Sajid is an “assimilationist” whereas I am an integrationist. However on this issue we find important common ground to battle the BritPak community of the shame it brings on all of us associated with it.

My most popular ever Tweet:

Also the British Muslim/Pakistani community cannot lock up their daughters in hijab and prey on the daughters of other communities. UNACCEPTABLE!

In other news..

Does India’s almost fascistic drive for national purity (the ongoing desecration of Allahabad) stem from the Brahmanical obsession with “pollution?”

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Why are non-Hindus interfering with Saribmala. I see the petitioners are a Muslim lady (Rehana) and a Christian (Mary).

The post-modern (to quote Anan Sahib) hyper-liberalism is creating ordinary Hindus to feel threatened thereby pushing them to the right.. it’s the same reaction in Britain where the left claim it’s racist to have “closed borders” making their ordinary vote bank (the white working class) to flee to the Right.

I agree with the Coloniser’s sentiments; let the Hindu Temples stay Hindu but on the flip side keep Allahabad in its original name..

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      1. Is it really, at least beyond woke upper classes? I think you might be blinded by your integrationist desires. Even America demands cultural assimilation (except for a leftist minority nowadays), and we have a far longer history of stable multi-ethnicity.

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  1. Who exactly is defending pedophilia? Though I don’t really think the ethnicity of the perpetrators is the most relevant thing. Why does this group of criminals get to represent the entire Pakistani community? There are sex offenders in every ethnic group.

    On Sabrimala, it is my understanding that the Supreme Court of India has ruled that women have to be allowed into this temple even if the deity is celibate. The government of Kerala is simply trying to implement the decision of the highest court in the land, which they are legally bound to do.

    It’s hard to take people who use terms like “urban and academic Naxalites” seriously.

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    1. “Why does this group of criminals get to represent the entire Pakistani community?”

      I suppose it is better if these pedophiles represent the entire Asian community instead.

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        1. Actually it is quite relevant if one is genuinely interested in understanding and tackling this problem. This is not an isolated incident. British Pakistani men have been involved in similar crimes not only in Bolton but also in Telford, Rochdale, Rotherham, Huddersfield, Oxford, Newcastle and other places. British Pakistani men are prominent in these scandals far in excess of their proportion in the general population. The investigations into these incidents were inhibited in many of these places for fear on the part of the authorities of seeming racist. So yes, the identity of the perpetrators is both pervasive and highly relevant.

          Here is Maajid Nawaaz on this issue with his usual intellectual clarity (possibly because he is not from SOAS):
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YxGpHGAqGM

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          1. I’m not going to deny that there are problems in the community. I’m not familiar enough with the specifics. However, it does seem a bit racist to me to emphasize the perpetrators’ ethnic background, whether it is to call them “Asian” or “Pakistani”. A group of criminals don’t represent an entire immigrant community.

            Your dig at SOAS was not really necessary but OK.

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  2. >I see the petitioners are a Muslim lady (Rehana)

    What the tweet omits is that the Muslim lady used to be a member of the VHP.

    >Fathima said she reached Pampa police station with her partner, filmmaker Manoj Sreedharan, around 1.30 am to seek police protection. “When I told them my name, they were suspicious. Then I explained that I was not a stranger to Hinduism. I told them my other name — Surya Gayathri,” she told The Indian Express.
    Born into an orthodox Muslim family, Fathima at one point joined a VHP-run centre in Kochi to learn Advaita, a Vedantic doctrine that identifies the individual self. She said she joined the three-year course to know more about Hinduism at a point when she was fed up with “intrusive cultural norms and dress codes imposed” by her religion. “When I explained all that, the police officers promised me help.”
    (https://indianexpress.com/article/india/sabarimala-women-temple-entry-rehana-fathima-5409974/)

    Imagine spending 3 years at a training camp learning about Hinduism alongside members of the most rabid and violent branches of the RSS, only to end up being labelled a non-Hindu out to get Hinduism by some Sanghi tech support guy in Bangalore.

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    1. I sometimes wonder what possesses Muslims to join groups like the VHP. Wanting to learn more about other religions is a good thing. But joining right-wing extremist groups in that religion is another thing entirely.

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          1. Isn’t that what they call Stockholm Syndrome?

            Westernized South Asians who are westernized under colonial rule , thats just savages who got civilized under benevolent western rule (includes me).

            Stockholm syndrome used for good Swedish who were mislead by the evil Germans.

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      1. May be for the same reason they join ISIS and go fight in Syria or wear Antifa masks and beat others up.

        People do a lot of crazy things in their youth.

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      2. I think Mir and Kabir are overexcited about this whole thing. The attached Indian express blurb about VHP-run vedanta center is possibly incorrect. Her facebook https://www.facebook.com/rehanafathima.pathoos?ref=br_rs seems to refer to Sivananda vedanta yoga center. Secondly, a muslim in Kerala, Karnataka or Madras visiting a vedanta or yoga center is not like far out. VHP is not running some armed camps to indoctrinate people in the south.

        She is many things, a BSNL tech, living with a Hindu guy, acting in a Malayalam movie about trans people, and in general, her own thing. She reminds me a bit of Arundhathi Roy. I am stunned by , your comment, Kabir.

        The women of south India have changed dramatically in the last 30 years. More power to her and them. Zach, I recommend you and the missus read the facebook feed with translation turned on. She is our kind of people.

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        1. What’s there to be stunned by? She has a right to do whatever she wants. I just find Muslims joining right-wing Hindu groups to be strange. As Zack said, it’s like colored people joining white supremacist groups. But then, some people do want to join their oppressor.

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    2. Rehana Fathima being a Muslim or not is a red herring. The RSS itself has held several contradictory positions on the issue of entry of women into Sabarimala.

      A fair way to characterize the debate would be between enlightenment influenced universalist Hinduism vs local traditional Hinduism.
      Here’s a good Twitter thread detailing it: https://twitter.com/teasri/status/1053693428289232897

      Then there’s also the point of judicial over-reach and interference of state in religious matters. The debate will go on for a while.

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      1. Fair point.

        Kerala implemented the Dali entry proclamation in 1936, with Tamilnadu following it in 1939. I think that the female entry will be quickly implemented, with BJP also in support, as the RSS/BJP u-turn is no more than a week ago.

        If I had been Pinarayi, I would have come out vocally against this just to force BJP and congress into supporting female entry. However, Mr. Vijayan has more serious matters on mind now.

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          1. We are literally opposite to each other in all aspects of Hindu, Tamil and Indian polity and society. I imagined me to be younger and cooler but then I realized I went to high school with older Lalchand generation.

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          2. @Vijay
            I wouldn’t jump to conclude I am ‘literally opposite to ‘ you in matters India as I don’t have a full range of opinions from you except you have a vague ‘anti-Hindu’ opinion which I don’t mind as long as it is not racist.

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  3. Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the communists and their move away from Vedic values a big reason why Kerala has such high literacy rates and HDI compared to the rest of India? Would never want communists in charge of a country, but in backwards regions at a sub-national level (where they can’t build gulags or fuck up the food supply), Marxism can do some good.

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    1. Communist rule in Kerala has been interspersed with phases of moderate Congress rule. This might be one reason that’s helped them avoid the fate that befell West Bengal.

      Also, while I am happy they have done well, I do not think their model of economic development predicated on social welfare but little industrial production is suitable for the rest of the country.

      Especially for landlocked plains up-north.

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      1. Definitely not ideal in the long-term, but it seems better than the model followed by most other Indian states up to the present day.

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        1. It’s not a good model. Look up the rates of emigration. People are desperate to flee in search of a living. Literacy in India is defined as ability to read and write once own name (essentially sign one’s name). No more. Even then ‘literacy’ was higher in Kerala compared to the rest of India much before communists came to power. And as already mentioned, almost half the time since 1947 was spend under non-communist rule.

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    2. Conmunism in Kerala or in India had never Vedic values to move away from. They were under the thumb of Soviet communism from day1.
      Having said that, late EMS Namboodripad, octogenarian Marxist leader was born in a vaidik family and he described how he rejected orthodox Hinduism or any religion for that to become a Marxist.
      It can be reasonably argued that multi culturalism is a failure and works against cohesive society by raising false expectations.

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    3. High literary in Kerala is due to many factors, communism is not one of them. They are parellal – I would hesitate to call it correlative – phenomenon.
      While Kerala has some very rich plantation owners in tea coffee or spices, most wealth comes from remittances from expats in the middle East . If Marxist waited for industrial workers , they would never have got a footing. Rural land distribution and rights of the agricultural workers is where their appeal lies.

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    4. Traditional Hinduism too places much emphasis on education. In fact on Vijayadasami day , children are given ceremonious introduction to education by making them write letters in local languages on rice paddy spread on the floor. This is known as Vidyarambham. Me too started school like that. In Kerala , communists also celebrate Vidyarambham.
      Last Friday was Vijayadasami and start of education for many children.

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  4. Does India’s almost fascistic drive for national purity (the ongoing desecration of Allahabad) stem from the Brahmanical obsession with “pollution?”

    Is it a political hindu project ? Yes.
    Does the renaming more sense? It is neither here not there since the renaming is to a older name of that place. Its not pulled out of nowhere unlike some other renaming of the places. Calcutta was built by the British (Mughals didnt built Allahabad) and yet it didn’t took then much time to rename it. It is not condoning the act, its giving some context. Some of my family members still used to call it Prayag, even before the renaming.

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  5. This is to address some of the comments here about hinduism/vedanta/enlightenment etc made here, twiter and the other article about Hindutava by Annan.

    I am frequently surprised by how much difference there is in “web” hindutva/hinduism (including this blog) and on the ground Hinduism/Hindutva. Let us be very very clear the ethnicity and traditions from which on the ground hindutva is driven. It isnt driven by high level intellectualism which has been professed here/ twitter etc. Its driven on the ground by Hindu conformists/ conservatives of North Indian stock. There is nothing problematic about it. But let us be at least honest about it. In India because every “hindu” community is so large that they feel what they profess is real “Hinduism”. I have met Bengali “hindu” and Tam Brahm who possess no electoral power back in their own state go on and on teaching others about Hindutva/Hinduism. The hindutva world does not run for better or for worse on Tukaram/ Adi Shankracharya/ Vivekanda/Charvaka. Had it been then Arya Samaj would have been bigger than RSS. It runs on Ram /Hanuman and for females(Durga). It projects masculinity(again not a value judgement) and not on “enlightenment” values/intellectualism. Its not run by hindu “free thinkers” like the ones we find over the internet. The web space is not projecting the real face (positive or negative) of the movement on how its conducted on the ground. Please lets separate what we want and our own projection over the movement and our analysis on what the movement really is. The day some other “Hindu” movement (led by Slapstick Teasari and Annan) becomes bigger than the current one i will happily accept that.

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    1. // The day some other “Hindu” movement (led by Slapstick Teasari and Annan) becomes bigger than the current one i will happily accept that. //

      LOL. Any movement led by patita (fallen) brAhmaNa-s like me is never going to be “Hindu” anything. My hope is in Indian constitutional morality – a plug&play version of Enlightenment liberalism – to reform Hindu discourse. While future is unpredictable, I am hopeful of India’s Hindus’ ability to fix their pathologies.

      As Pratap Bhanu Mehta states in his essay on Enlightenment:

      The Indian state thus not only aims to reform Hindu practices but has also, in some sense, been authorized to do so by Hindus. In the Indian context, therefore, it is legitimate for state institutions such as the Supreme Court and the Lok Sabha (parliament) to concern themselves with reforming or eliminating invidious socioreligious practices such as second-class treatment of “untouchables”. Faced with the challenge “Who shall decide?” Hindus in effect answered: “We all will, and the federal Republic of India will be our means.”

      https://cup.columbia.edu/book/religion-the-enlightenment-and-the-new-global-order/9780231150071
      [pgs 188-189]

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        1. You are not the first (nor the last) naysayer.

          (I am hopeful because of certain special features of the structure of the Indian Constitution. If that structure is gone, then all bets are off)

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          1. Hello Slapstik,

            Could you indicate to me what the special features of the structure of the Constitution of India that you mentioned in your comment above are? Only if this knowledge is kinda okay-to-share, and not-awfully-demanding-touching-wood type of a thing in your mind. (I feel very afraid to talk about it but still tempted to know about it; I never say touch wood or such things but I have my own little superstitious rituals that ensure the averting of bad fate (or the fear of it in my mind) which I will certainly follow on reading your reply comment, if you write one.) Otherwise okay. I most certainly understand.

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  6. I already made this comment on the earlier deleted post, but Allah would be glad to not have his name associated with the town. I visited with parents recently, but did not have the guts to step into the pungent and smelling river water. Between 1984 and 2005, this must be the only state that has gone backward and even less waste management, sanitation and hygiene than any other city. I welcome you to go junction station, civil lines (e.g. MG marg) or Johnstonganj, and I promise you that you will be glad that the city was renamed.

    Channeling Jaggu, I suggest the opposite, renaming all the places to be more representative of the present status; New Delhi to New Jahannum representing the air quality in October and weather in May; Varanasi as Shaitanabad; Patna as Jahilabad.

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  7. VijayVan
    Traditional Hinduism too places much emphasis on education. In fact on Vijayadasami day

    The logic and facts are against that broad claim.
    a) If traditional Hinduism places emphasis on education then all of India should be literate.
    b) Hinduism emphasizes education only for the twice born. For the non twice born, filling the ears and cutting the tongue was the penalty for even listening to scriptures.
    c) High literacy and HDI are mostly in the southern states, where European/Christian influence had much inroads for the longest period.

    Note: Lakshadweep Islands have a 92.3 literacy compared to 93.9 in Kerala. In comparison Maldives is 99% literate. So the geographic size is not the issue.

    High literary in Kerala is due to many factors, communism is not one of them. They are parellal – I would hesitate to call it correlative – phenomenon.
    Rural land distribution and rights of the agricultural workers is where their appeal lies.

    The Indian state that comes closest to Sri Lanka in HDI and Literacy is Kerala.

    My opinion for HDI and Literacy (which seems to parallel Kerala)
    a) Universal education in 1943 (we got (not fought) universal franchise in 1931)
    b) Land reform in 1973 by Sirima Dias Banda…, (SWRD’s widow). 50 acres of dry land (or 25 acres of Paddy land) per family (i.e. husband, wife and children below 18).

    One point about Sri Lankan society, it is not accepting of extreme inequality. If someone becomes extremely rich, the neighbors/society doesnt rationalize it as his/her karma/luck. More likely plotting to change that situ, legally or otherwise.

    The joke the best exemplifies
    A visitor to Hell was taken around. In each pit full of fire there were people trying climb out. A Devil was stationed at each pit and used a pitchfork to push those trying to escape. At one pit there was devil with a pitch fork. To the visitors quizzical look, the Devil said, “Aah, thats Sri Lankans, when one is about to get out the others pull him back”.

    Yet at the time Sri Lanka received independence from Britain in 1946, the literacy rate in the country stood at a mere 57.8%, with female literacy being 43.8% while male literacy was 70.1%. But thanks to changes brought about to the education system in the aftermath of independence, in the form of the C.W.W. Kannangara reforms of 1943 which introduced the system of free education and the ushering in of a system that did away with the earlier two-tiered education system under which fee-levying ‘English medium’ schools catered to the country’s elite, while a system of ‘vernacular schools’ catered to others.

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    1. That there is a deep disconnect between what Hindus profess and practice is very well known. The definition of literacy that leads to the numbers shown in Wikipedia is not precise, as Brij Kothari has shown in evaluating literacy in India

      “A recent study by ORG-CSR (2003) conducted in rural villages across five states – Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, and Gujarat – confirms the low skill attainment levels of many literates in India. To share some key findings on reading, print awareness, writing, and functional aspects of ability with the written word in Hindi: 68.2% perceived themselves to be literate.

      Based on their reading of an extremely simple paragraph from textbooks at 2nd to 3rd grade level, the field surveyors classified the sample as: 12% who can read with ease, 36.3% who made mistakes or read with a range of reading difficulties, and 51.7% who could not read at all.
      Faced with a square block of Hindi text printed centered on a square piece of paper with no other graphical indicators of beginning, ending, or page orientation, 37.4% could not hold the printed matter in the proper orientation for reading. After this was shown (or known), 42.5% could not point to the end of the text. Half the sample could not move their finger to delineate the left to right direction of print and a nearly equal proportion could not move from the end of one line to the beginning
      of the next line immediately below.
      Only 37.5% could write their full name correctly, 15.1% could write it partially or with mistakes, and 47.4% could not write it at all.
      Reading the bus board, one of the most common encounters with print in village life, was, by their own admission, not possible for 51.9%. Self-reports on other functional aspects inform us that 56% could not read a newspaper, 54.8% could not read letters, and 56.7% could not write a letter themselves”

      The idea that Sri Lanka is an exemplar in improving education outcomes is also unclear since literacy in SriLanka was 57.8% in 1947! There are states in India that do not have such true literacy rates now.

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    2. Stockholm Syndrome has a wider meaning in Europe. It means a special psychological state when victims start loving his/her oppressor or torturer. It can be collective, for e.g. within a nation which was occupied and terrorised by invading power or, individual, if one person was constantly tortured in a relationship with other. It usually starts with initial resistance, continue with a submission when resistance is impossible and often can finish as a masochism and even feeling love towards a torturer.

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      1. Stockholm Syndrome is a misunderstanding. In eastern philosophy we deeply love and respect our enemies, evil doers and oppressors.

        This is not Stockholm Syndrome. This is culture, civilization, religion, spirituality, atheistic humanism or being a human being.

        Is Stockholm Syndrome better defined as getting an inferiority complex with respect to the enemy and becoming obsequious to them?

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        1. Orthodox Christianity also preach the similar – love towards all including our enemies, praying for our enemies, forgiving our enemies, ‘who throw rock at you, you throw back the bread’, ‘if you get slap in the face, turn your other cheek ’, etc. Some other religions have ‘eye for eye’ and ‘tit for tat’ but not Orthodoxies. My grandma was following the original Orthodox tenet. Even for the genocide which Croats conducted killing more than a million Serbs, Orthodox Church says – ‘We must forgive but we can’t forget.’

          Probably , my learning form past histories make me personally closer to the later, a bit modified, version – ‘who does bad to you return him double, who does good to you, return him triple’.

          Stockholm syndrome is not related to previous. It is an extreme, sick psychological state/relationship between a torturer and his victim.

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    3. “a) If traditional Hinduism places emphasis on education then all of India should be literate.
      b) Hinduism emphasizes education only for the twice born. For the non twice born, filling the ears and cutting the tongue was the penalty for even listening to scriptures.
      c) High literacy and HDI are mostly in the southern states, where European/Christian influence had much inroads for the longest period.”

      I think this is due to swallowing ‘white man’s burden’ to civilize the whole world especially the benighted heathens, hook, line and sinker. This comics cartoon view of Indian social history is at variance with the studies done on education in India on the eve of colonialism
      There are lot of data available which shows that village schools in India provided numeracy and literacy skills to much of the populations except dalits . In the south , the percentage of non-brahmin students was more than that of brahmins. In the south all shudra castes were equally literate/numerate in their mother tongue as brahmins .
      OK, the Colonial government reorganized education in India – that done to strengthen colonial rule . In the process , traditional methods of education completely disappeared .

      On the eve of colonialism , perhaps India was more literate than Europe. When soldiers were recruited for 1st World war in western countries, many of the recruits were illiterate. Literacy in India was no worse than in western countries.

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    4. Education and literacy are not the same. Learning letters was a highly specialized endeavor. 73% Brahmins were illiterate (in ANY language) according to the 1931 census. But they were certainly all educated in a traditional sense. Scriptural transmission occurred verbally. Likewise all castes were educated in a host of skills. It used to be not always necessary to learn letters to get an education.

      Also, Travancore and Cochin had the highest literacy rates (~25%) in 1931. Both were Hindu princely states unlike the presidencies that were under direct Imperial rule.

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  8. Fraxinicus wrote: “Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the communists and their move away from Vedic values a big reason why Kerala has such high literacy rates and HDI compared to the rest of India? Would never want communists in charge of a country, but in backwards regions at a sub-national level (where they can’t build gulags or fuck up the food supply), Marxism can do some good.”

    Can you elaborate?

    Vedic values focus on melting the heart of people, improving mental health broadly defined, improving intelligence broadly defined, improving physical health broadly defined. They would be a good idea but have been sparsely applied in recent centuries. Islamist rule and Shariah greatly reduced the sway of these Vedic learning communities–which then only catered to a small part of the population. This is the same population whose descendants now socio-economically succeed around the world.

    India’s development model has so far been based on Du Bois’ talented tenth. The vast majority of the Vedic values that remain in India (little though it is) caters to the talented tenth.

    Why was the south more socio-economically developed in 1947? I think because they weren’t as touched by Islamist rule and shariah.

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    Fraxinicus, the large majority of a societies’ socio economic success is generated by the upper middle class–here defined as those with a large measure of physical health, mental health and intelligence. Some countries such as Singapore have been able to increase the percentage of the population that are upper middle class. Some countries such as Haiti have a small upper middle class.

    The percentage of the population that is upper middle class and the success of the upper middle class significantly drive nationwide and worldwide per capita GDP and per capita wealth. Since the upper middle class pays most of the taxes and provides most of the donations to charity . . . the upper middle class pays for most social services.

    Poor people–here defined as those with limited physical health, mental health and intelligence–are deeply dependent on the rest of society. Poor people are not oppressed since no one wants to oppress them and no one thinks they can benefit from oppressing them. Poor people are regarded as irrelevant in society.

    Poverty or poor people don’t benefit from lower inequality; and benefit only slightly from economic growth.

    I believe civil society needs coordinated intervention to facilitate poor people becoming lower middle class (or middle class or upper middle class).

    What do you think marxists are good at? Helping the:
    —upper middle class?
    —middle class?
    —lower middle class?
    —poor?

    I can’t think of any example where marxists have been good at helping any of these groups. How have marxists been able to increase the marginal product of labor of any of these four groups of people? Rather marxists appear to shrink the percentage of the population that is upper middle class and reduce their per person success. Marxists appear to increase the percentage of the population that is poor and dependent on subsidies.

    How do marxists benefit anyone?

    Kerela marxists are cultural Marxists and not economic Marxists. In practice they are pro business. Is this the cause of confusion?

    West Bengal use to be relatively affluent in 1947. Now it is not. Do you think Marxists have done a good job in West Bengal?

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  9. I don’t really know anything about West Bengal. Marxist economics are obviously bad, except for establishing basic heavy industry. But the social aspects of Marxism have done a lot of good (making genders more equal, raising literacy, expanding access to basic healthcare, killing off backwards religious superstition). Normally the good is outweighed massively by mass murder and starvation, but in Kerala it looks like they isolated only the good parts of Marxism.

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    1. I don’t think marxists are good at education. They brainwash people with post modernism and cultural marxism–which damages critical thinking and career/business outcomes. Shouldn’t education be focused on improving physical health, mental health and intelligence?

      ” killing off backwards religious superstition” This is what happens if people blindly semi copy others without understanding what they are doing and why. The only way to solve this is to increase mental health and intelligence and to make people more familiar with their own religion. How would you define religious superstition?

      We disagree that marxism makes genders more equal. In America post modernism and cultural marxism has resulted in a situation where there are twice as many female college educated black Americans than male college educated black Americans. This has been devastating to female college educated black Americans.

      Islamist rule greatly affected females relative to males. One of the ways was by introducing the blouse to India. Before Islamist rule Indian females (and I suspect Turan, Persian, South East Asian as well?) were not required to wear blouses. Abrahamic interpretations of modesty entered South Asia. Property rights in divorce, child custody in divorce, inheritance laws and much else was negatively affected. Education of females was also greatly affected.

      Before Islamist rule India had a vibrant culture of digambara; where females and males would not wear clothes and would focus on spirituality alone.

      Many of the great Vedic rishis were females (both married and unmarried). Many of the Vedic passages were revealed by females. Many of the great highly educated twice born were females. However, the status of woman had already started to diminish during the Mahabharata. Traditional Turan, Persian, SAARC, Tibet and South East Asian culture had a lot of “Durga” energy as our Saurav said. Elite matriarchal woman were very powerful and moved society forward.

      “expanding access to basic healthcare” This does not require marxists. However modern healthcare is highly incomplete. Especially psychiatry, lack of emphasis on exercise, stretching breathing, meditation. Modern medicine pumps people full of drugs with side effects verses improving long term health.

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      What do you consider cultural marxism to be?

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      1. Marxism is the quintessential modern philosophy. A lot of postmodernists claim the label, but the fact that there are transgender lesbians who identify as Muslims does not mean that Islam is pro-LGBT. Cultural Marxism is just a buzzword, and even the people who use it seriously talk about it as a phenomenon in Western (i.e., not communist-ruled) countries.

        A lot of Marxist governments had a good record in education, especially STEM.

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    2. @Fraxinicus

      // isolated only the good parts of Marxism //

      Seen in isolation the good bits are not really Marxism at all though. It is like appreciating Adolf’s military Keynesianism, without the military.

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      1. Bit those good things were motivsted by a belief in Marxism, which despite its practical flaws, does direct people toward some good goals.

        Despite my distaste for Abrahamic religions, I can appreciate when a Christian or Muslim is motivated by their faith to devote their life to helping others.

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        1. @Fraxinicus
          // Marxism, which despite its practical flaws, does direct people toward some good goals //

          Yes, that is true. I do not dispute that. What I dispute is the tendency to look at that effect in isolation from the whole. Marxism (like Abrahamic religions) is sold as a coherent package, with internal causal structure, and its good bits do a useful function.

          We can moralize about these functions at our end. But it would be reductive to analyse them as occurring separately or even as add-ons to the overall ideology.

          So, if a polity does show all the “good” bits of Marxism and not much of its bad, it probably really isn’t Marxist. Indeed Indian Communism is a tamed mutant child of its dangerous parent. How that mutation came about depends on interesting features of post-Independence Indian history.

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    1. VijayVan,

      The Bible is pretty clear,
      a) Homosexuality is an abomination
      b) Women should be silent in Church
      c) Kill all men women and children of the enemy

      You can add Bible in front of each sentence and search to will get the proper reference.

      Obviously most Christians dont follow some or all of the above.

      But most Christians are pretty sure the Bible is the word of God and every word is true.

      So dialogues go like this

      me: Why does the Bible say kill the men, women and children
      other: Thats in the Old Testament, Jesus came and redeemed our sins.
      me: So the Old Testament is not true anymore, i.e part of the Word of God is false.
      other: You have to have to have faith and believe and God will reveal the truth.
      me: No faith so what happens
      other: wait one day God will reveal himself to you

      Okie dokes, I am still waiting and my time to go is approaching fast.

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        1. “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves” (Numbers 31)

          More of the same
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence

          You have to realize the God of Abraham is also the god of Ismaels descendants.
          Ishmael is the purported ancestor of the Arabs, the son of Abraham thru Hagar a slave.

          Re Israel, there is no solution. God has asked them to chase out the inhabitants and occupy the land.
          God tells Moses “Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them: When ye pass over the Jordan into the land of Canaan, then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their figured stones, and destroy all their molten images, and demolish all their high places. And ye shall drive out the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein; for unto you have I given the land to possess it.” and “But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then shall those that ye let remain of them be as thorns in your eyes, and as pricks in your sides, and they shall harass you in the land wherein ye dwell. And it shall come to pass, that as I thought to do unto them, so will I do unto you” (Numbers 33).[

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          1. Dont know man, sometimes i feel the privilege we enjoy makes us blind to the extent man can go. Clearly there is nothing which a man wont do . Sometimes i feel these people who wrote these stuff were psychopaths and mentally disturbed with no support system available to help them

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      1. There is a tradition of Biblical criticism that recognizes that it is a man-made scripture. The fact that the four Gospels disagree with each other on certain crucial details would seem to show that it is not the word of God, but rather of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (whoever they really were).

        The Quran, on the other hand, is taken by believing Muslims to be the unchanging word of Allah directly revealed to the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him). This may or may not be true, but it is the belief and makes it very difficult to question the text. The best that can be done by an Islamic scholar is to interpret a verse in a liberal manner.

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  10. Biblical criticism that recognizes that it is a man-made scripture. The fact that the four Gospels disagree with each other on certain crucial details would seem to show that it is not the word of God, but rather of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John

    Try making that argument to a strong Christian., they have the faith that it is the word of God.

    Thats pretty much true of any believer in God/God, rational logical arguments fail in the face of Faith and Belief.

    In Buddhas doctrine there are quite a few misogynistic teachings, not much violence though. But the Buddha is not an infallible god, he is just a teacher. In his words, This way worked for me, there maybe other paths too (to Nirvana, nothingness).

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