Pakistanis must give up “tit for tat”

Kabir Bhai writes:

My understanding is that “Vande Mataram” is a hymn to the mother goddess and thus goes against the monotheistic nature of Islam. It also comes from an anti-Muslim novel.

If Majlis is a group that includes both Indians and Pakistanis, then its logo probably shouldn’t refer to an Indian nationalist slogan which Pakistanis shouldn’t be expected to be comfortable with. Many Indians wouldn’t like it if the logo included “Pakistan Zindabad!” or something like that.

Then it is perfectly logical to change the name “Majlis” to Assembly or something neutral. The point is that Islamicate culture never seeped into the Subcontient through peaceful trading routes.

It was accompanied by violent conquest and if we have to ask Indians/Hindus to accept Islamicate culture, with its extraordinarily bloody history, then we have to accept the difficult bits of Indian nationalism.

I find Pakistanis are always focussed on “retaliation” and are the masters of cutting off their nose to spite off their face. Then they complain as to why their country is teetering on bankruptcy and not thriving (Survival is not enough).

In real life though I simply will never accept any alteration to the traditional logo, no matter whatever some Pakistani says. It is a matter I will simply not compromise on..

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8 Replies to “Pakistanis must give up “tit for tat””

  1. Shouldn’t this logo be negotiated? Surely the goal of the organization is not to make potential members uncomfortable. It would also probably depend on how many people are opposed to VM.

    Same with the name change, which there is also nothing wrong with in principle.

    Foisting Indian (and Hindu) nationalism on Pakistanis doesn’t seem like a smart idea. But then this is a voluntary organization and not a matter of life and death.

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    1. Yes but then if we change it to “Assembly” it basically negates the whole point of resurrecting the organisation

      South Asians need to learn on what horse trading is all about..

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  2. \I find Pakistanis are always focussed on “retaliation” \

    That is only selective. Saudi Arabia executes and imprisons hundreds of Pakistanis , for example 62 Pakistanis have been executed over 5 year period on drug smuggling charges alone.
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1871278/1-60-pakistanis-executed-saudi-arabia-drug-smuggling-five-years/
    Not a whimper of protest at any level , government level or jihadi level, forget about ‘tit for tat’ .

    Only when it comes to India , all the all the t4t juices will be pumped up.

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  3. // difficult bits of Indian nationalism. //

    It came into existence because of lack of reconciliation by Muslims & outright dismissal about Bloody history of Islam in Indian subcontinent which is still happening.

    I am not arguing for Indian nationalism but rather i am trying to ask for serious reconciliation from all sides.

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  4. “Pakistanis must give up “tit for tat””

    Forget “tit for tat”

    Another Terror Attack on India Will be Extremely Problematic: Trump’s Latest Warning to Pakistan

    https://www.news18.com/news/world/us-tells-pakistan-to-act-against-terrorism-says-another-attack-will-be-extremely-problematic-2073665.html

    “The Trump Administration, the official said, has taken sort of a “zero tolerance policy” on the issue of safe havens to terrorists.

    “The terror terrorist attack on February 14th on India was a demonstration that Pakistan’s continuing provision of sanctuary for any terrorist group is not acceptable,” the official said.”

    Time is running out for Pakistan.

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  5. “It (Pakistan) has much to lose by continuing to harbor terrorist and criminals” said US President Trump.

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