Quaid, Modi, and the Operation Sindoor

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On Pakistanโ€™s second birth, Indiaโ€™s rising nationalism, and the politics of martyrdom

Thereโ€™s a strange irony in history: the founder of Pakistan and the “strongest” Prime Minister of India may ultimately be remembered for the same thingโ€”giving Pakistan life.

Muhammad Ali Jinnah birthed the state. Narendra Modi may have revived its soul. Because nothing steels a national identity like resistance. And nothing immortalizes a cause like martyrdom.

Blood in Pahalgam, Resolve in Islamabad

When civiliansโ€”childrenโ€”are killed, as in the recent attacks in Pahalgam & Bahawalpur, the horror doesnโ€™t demoralize. It clarifies. It creates martyrs. And martyrdom sanctifies. Pakistan, often in search of a purpose, just received one. What makes this even more striking is the dynamic behind it. Modi may need Pakistanโ€”not as a partner, but as a perpetual foil. A pressure point. A mirror. A justification.Every strong nationalism needs its adversary:

  • Israel has Hamas.
  • The U.S. had the USSR.
  • India, increasingly, needs Pakistan.

Nationhood hardens in opposition. This is what the “failed” projects of Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia lacked: no existential other. No enemy, no glue. Even the most successful Willensnationโ€”Switzerland, a country built by choice, not ethnicityโ€”engaged in intense nation-building during the 1960s. Its wealth today isnโ€™t just neutralityโ€”itโ€™s the compound interest of skipping two world wars. But in todayโ€™s world, Dubai may inherit Switzerlandโ€™s darker mantleโ€”as the future capital of hot money and global shadow finance. Meanwhile, across the Atlantic, Canadaโ€™s national identity has paradoxically strengthened in Trumpโ€™s wakeโ€”a quiet rebellion through civility, as if to say: we are what he is not.

The Strategic Misstep?

Operation Sindoor. Suspension of the Indus Waters Treaty. Visa blocks. High Commission closures. Are these pressure pointsโ€”or accelerants? The danger is that such moves only validate Pakistanโ€™s siege narrative. And that narrative fuels its resilience. You canโ€™t bomb a martyr complex. You can only confirm it.

The Bahรกโ€™รญ Parallelโ€”and the Palestinian Lesson

Every time Iran cracks down on the Bahรกโ€™รญs, the Faith grows stronger. Martyrdom is a spiritual accelerant. Suffering spreads belief. Palestinian nationalism survives not through diplomacy, but death. What Israel kills, it cannot erase. In both cases, to die for something is to give it permanence. Pakistan, through its dead, now has a cause. And Modi may have gifted it another hundred years.

For the past decade, Pakistanis have wrestled with a dominant narrative of failureโ€”lagging behind India economically, diplomatically, and institutionally. That reckoning is now giving way to resignation. Instead of competing, Pakistan is recalibratingโ€”absorbing the asymmetry and turning toward China as its long-term guarantor of relevance and resistance. Itโ€™s not parity through progress, but parity through proxy.

The Great Sorting: Muslims, Non-Muslims, and the Civilizational Divide

Across the globe, weโ€™re witnessing a retreat into civilizational silos and intense dehumanisation of the “darker-skinned alien”:

  • Trump doesnโ€™t rail against white Latinosโ€”only the brown ones.
  • Europeans are more suspicious of African or Arab migrants than Slavic ones.
  • Muslim identity is increasingly positioned as an eternal โ€œother.โ€

Even in India, the integration of Muslims is no longer assumedโ€”itโ€™s questioned. And yet, Indian Muslims remain one of the most remarkable cases of minority integration anywhere in the modern world. They are a test case. A fault line. A hope. Letโ€™s hope they stay that way. Letโ€™s hope they remain so. Because South Asia cannot afford another partitionโ€”not on land, not in hearts.

Final Reflection: Architects and Martyrs

Modi builds. Jinnah built. But martyrdom sustains. The tragic truth is this: every time you try to stamp out a people, you immortalize them. What you kill becomes sacred. What bleeds, blooms. And so, we end up with this:

India, the architect. Pakistan, the martyr. One laying bricks. The other absorbing bullets. One rising. The other surviving. And bothโ€”locked in a dance older than their flags.

Itโ€™s remarkable how the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty laid the foundational architecture of a modern South Asiaโ€”an integrated Muslim minority, restrained Indo-Pak conflict, and a functioning democratic order. That legacy is now routinely dismissed, yet its scaffolding still holds.

And above them all stands Mahatma Gandhiโ€”a man who saw through the fatal contradictions of Partition and gave his life resisting them. While Jinnah founded a state and Modi is reshaping one, Gandhi tried to transcend both. And in doing so, he became South Asiaโ€™s most enduring moral compass.

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Nivedita
Nivedita
7 days ago

If you haven’t, highly recommend reading Pakistan or the Partition of India by B.R.Ambedkar. And why this is an endless war. Primarily because of the nature of the ideology that Pakistan espouses.

Nivedita
Nivedita
7 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Whether we like it or not, objectively this is a clash of ideologies. There is no live and let live mindset in the state religion of Pakistan or the others that follow the same ideology for that matter. And till that persists, this will be a never ending war. Actually Gaurav Lele’s post on the end of the Mahabharata war is very apt. It was a pyrrhic victory of Dharma over Adharma and the parallels today are pretty much the same. Let us all rise against Adharma: non-violence is the biggest Dharma; so too is violence in the service of Dharma.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
7 days ago
Reply to  Nivedita

non-violence is the biggest Dharma; so too is violence in the service of Dharma

So are you claiming violence against Adharma is Dharmic. i.e. the Dharma

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
7 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I would like it to be a full scale war between Pakistan and India.

Modi’s India thinks it can dictate to neighboring countries.
Time to be shown reality

Kabir
Kabir
7 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

There will definitely be a response to India. PM Sharif has already stated that he has given the Pakistani Army a free hand to strike India in a comparable fashion to the way we were struck today. Pakistan Army would lose all credibility if they threw up their hands.

India must learn never to turn their evil eyes on Pakistan. We are a nuclear armed country and are perfectly capable of giving as good as we can get. It would have been foolish for India to take such a step without planning for escalation.

India should have shown the evidence regarding their allegations that Pakistan was behind Pahalgam to the international community. PM Sharif had called for a neutral probe. Unfortunately, India didn’t take that option and chose to kill Pakistani civilians. Now they must be taught a lesson so that they never even think about breaching Pakistan’s borders in the future.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Naah.

If Pakistan retaliate, India will escalate further. And can keep on escalating.

There is no “sem2sem”.

And further up the escalatory ladder goes worse for Pak. PAF can win a few dogfights against IAF but a full proper war against the entire might of the Indian complex. Lol. 1 month at max.

India just bombed the Pakistani mainland w/o crossing the border. Imagine that but instead of terrorist mosques, military infrastructure.

The Indian navy pummeling Karachi dock while Pakistan’s coast guard of a navy is blown apart.

BLA/TTP wreaking havoc.

And Pak with only 15 billion USD in reserves.

The higher-ups in Pakistan agree and they have de-escalated by selling the “5 Rafales down” story to the Pak awaam who have digested it wholly.

Kabir
Kabir
6 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

We have not de-escalated. We are going to counterattack India at a time and place of our choosing. PM Sharif and DG ISPR have made that clear.

You all attacked us at 9 places. We should attack you at 18 places. Only then will you learn never to turn your dirty eyes to Pakistan.

As for “terrorist mosques”, you killed Pakistani women and children. Our PM is clear that the blood of each and every Pakistani will be avenged with Indian blood. You are dealing with the Muslim world’s only nuclear power. Don’t ever forget that.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

oooooo

“Time and place of choosing” “Muslim nuclear power”

Bring it on, brother. Time for a reality check like the Israelis gave the Arabs in 1967.

Last night Pak tried to use drones and India’s S-400 killed them off completely.

Today India’s drones entered Pak and even military places.

No amount of kanging will change the fact that India has 12x the economy of Pak and 10x the military budget. This is China-Indonesia level but even worse cause of Pakistan’s geography.

Kabir
Kabir
6 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Please try to mess with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Don’t cry when we bomb Delhi.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Bro, we are messing with you everyday. Our drones have reached Rawalpindi, Lahore etc.

Your army is only good for beating up PTI party members.

Kabir
Kabir
5 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

We have nukes and we are fully capable of using them.

Don’t start something that you can’t finish.

I’m not your “BRO”. I’m your enemy.

A Doval
A Doval
5 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

ooooo atami takat sooo scaryyyyyyy

Go on use them.

We have nukes too and way way better delivery systems.

Pak even dares to use one, Pak is finished as a country.

It’ll be Fallout Karachi.

Quietly take the missile and drone strikes like a good girl.

Last edited 5 days ago by A Doval
Suresh
Suresh
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Whole world knows Pakistan was behind it (just like they were behind Mumbai 2008). The Islamic extremist groups behind it are openly based in Pakistan like JEM and LET, and the Pak army even went to their recent funerals publicly. India have identified former Pak army commandos as part of the attackers. It is only Pakistanis who are in denial over it. Claiming it is a false flag is laughable, no Hindu nationalist is going to force people to recite the kalima and check circumcisions before killing Hindus. You can try and shift blame all the way to the Kashmiris, but the Pak army has a lot to gain domestically from instigating conflict with India.

Kabir
Kabir
6 days ago
Reply to  Suresh

If India is so confident that Pakistan is behind the Pahalgam incident, then why not present the evidence to the international community? Presumably, if the evidence suggests that Pakistan is guilty, there would be international pressure placed on it to punish those responsible.

Bombing mosques and killing women and children is not going to make Pakistan cooperate. It’s just going to make Pakistan counterattack you and possibly lead to a full-scale war.

The international community is now calling for both countries to de-escalate and refusing to blame Pakistan. So India did not really achieve anything from this (beyond satisfying your own domestic audience that Modi is a macho man). If Modi is macho, so is Asim Munir, who will now teach the enemy country a lesson.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Paki idiots like this still think of the “international community”.

Paijaan, we are one of the big boys of the “international community”.

Asim Munir might be macho but he lacks the capability.

Please come to teach a lesson.

We’ll show you what a 12x GDP differential looks like.

Kabir
Kabir
5 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

The International Community means the UK, the US etc.

You are our enemy. Why should we trust a single word that comes out your mouths?

A Doval
A Doval
5 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

UK just signed an FTA with India.

US is gonna sign one and is shifting manufacturing to India.

You think they are gonna side with you over us?

You can trust or not trust. Doesn’t matter. You are irrelevant on the international stage – a country with an economy smaller than heavyweights like Colombia, Romania, Bangladesh etc.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Sri Lankan should just keep quiet and should just look to be a nice spot for Indian tourists and for Indian cricketers to inflate their averages.

You are basically a small Indian state. Remain that way. THAT is the reality.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
6 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Yeah, over the centuries Indians have tried to take over the Sudras in Lanka.

Keep trying. Last time India tried the Sneaky Way and got your nose thumped. Those who India trained beat you and killed 1,200 soldiers (the biggest loss to India). Then went on to Indian soil and killed the ex PM, Rajiv Gandhi

Why do you think SL has invited many Chinese Investments

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

No amount of kanging for the Chinese gonna change SL’s geography.

Now be a good ravana and make me a hopper.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
6 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Why dont you be a nice boy and do a Ashavameda Puja for India

Or better make latrines for the millions who shit on the street.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Naah, they are shitting in your mouth, Ravana.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Mr Ajith Doval
Doing Ashavameda Puja for India
Or pouring milk on Sudra Lingams

A Doval
A Doval
5 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Chup Ravana.

Go make some hoppers and lick my lingam

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Mr Ajith Doval
It it is your Indian women folk who worship BBC

A Doval
A Doval
5 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Nah, SL women worship BIC.

Lots of Indians go to Colombo and have fun.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Mr Ajith Doval
Its Indian women who worship Sudra BBC.
Do you want me to post a few photos.

A Doval
A Doval
5 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Hehehe yeah sure.

Post photos of your daughters enjoying BIC.

Now go make me a hopper, ravana

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
4 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Your mother wife and daughters worshiping a BBC lingam

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A Doval
A Doval
4 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Your women with our men

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sbarrkum
sbarrkum
4 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Mr Ajith Doval

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A Doval
A Doval
4 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum
Kabir
Kabir
7 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Pakistan has every right to attack India in exactly the way India attacked us. They came in the middle of the night and attacked mosques, killing women and children. The Indian steps went beyond Balakote. You cannot attack Murdike, Bhawalpur, Sialkot etc and not expect a Pakistani response. The Pakistan Army will lose all credibility if we don’t respond in kind. India must have planned for an escalation. You don’t attack a nuclear armed country and expect them to just throw up their hands.

The entire Pakistani nation will now stand behind our armed forces (putting aside any internal disagreements we have). For the moment the only thing that matters is that India must learn never to dare to show their evil eyes to Pakistan.

Note that I am not at all justifying the Pahalgam operation (nor am I calling it a “false flag”). However, India showed have presented credible evidence to the international community. Simply blaming Pakistan is not enough. Pakistan’s PM offered a neutral probe. Unfortunately, that option was not taken and India chose to kill Pakistani citizens. Now, they must learn never to cross our borders again.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Pakistanis don’t understand there is no “sem2sem”.

Indians are also at fault in propping up this delusion by “the greatest rivalry in cricket” and the Wagah dance-off.

They should be treated liek what they are – a ocuntry with a GDP smaller than many Indian states.

Any action against India will be met with an even more disproportionate action.

Let’s see who can sustain a war more – The 350 billion economy with forex reserves of 15 billion or the 4 trillion economy with forex reserves of 660 billion.

Pak already tried attacking with droens yesterday night and India’s S-400 repelled them all.

Today Indian drones are striking in the heart of Pak in Rawalpindi and Lahore. The entire PSL is being shifted. Their Chinese defense system couldn’t do jack shit just like it couldn’t on 7 May when Pakistan quietly took in 24 missile strikes.

Nivedita
Nivedita
3 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Not able to comment on your latest posts. Tech glitch?

Kabir
Kabir
7 days ago

War is not good for anyone. India had the option to take the evidence regarding the Pahalgam attack to the international community. It is understandable that they don’t trust Pakistan but presumably they trust the US, the UK etc. Unfortunately, India chose to cross the international border and kill Pakistani civilians. They must have planned for Pakistan to respond in kind. Pakistan Army would lose all credibility if they let this Indian attack go unanswered. Prime Minister Sharif has already announced that he has asked Pak Army to attack India exactly the way that we were attacked today.

India must realize that it is not Israel and Pakistan is not Hamas. The Palestinians don’t have an army, navy or air force. Thus, Israel is able to bomb them to smithereens. Pakistan is the world’s only nuclear-armed Muslim power. Engaging such a power militarily is a far different matter.

At this moment, the entire Pakistani nation will stand behind our Army (regardless of whatever political differences we may have). The most important thing at this point is to teach India that they can never again turn their evil eyes towards Pakistan.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Blah blah blah.

Pak establishment know their power vis a vis India even if the awaam is chutia.

Establishment has already de-escalated selling their awaam the “5 Rafales down” as retaliation.

brown
brown
7 days ago

what was navy’s role? because this was one of the red lines which had to be crossed.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
6 days ago

Seems like 4 confirmed Indian jets getting shot down over Indian airspace, including one Rafale (possibly 2) is a big humiliation for the IAF, and it has created a lot of chatter on the efficacy of Chinese weapons system vs Western ones on military and aviation forums.

I get a feeling that Indians on the border with Pakistan (Punjab, JK and Rajasthan) don’t want this conflict but war hysteria was being pushed by Central & South Indian Hindu nationalists who are unlikely to suffer any consequences in a small skirmish.

They targeted and killed civilians in Pakistan and immediately put out a weakling statement that they don’t want escalation. Very unlikely this will be let go that easily.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

Naah that is not a weakling statement.

Just showing Pak their place. Like this is the pain we have caused you. Escalate further, there will be more. End it now.

And the Pak establishment HAS let go of it that easily. Cause higher up the escalation ladder it goes, the weaker it is vs India.

Their awaam has been sold the chooran of “5 Rafales down” (you seem to be one of them as well) and they seem to be satisfied with it.

There won’t be any response. The “5 Rafales down” has been sold as the response.

Pak establishment knows of their relative power with India globally, even though internet warriors might feel “sem2sem”.

A Doval
A Doval
6 days ago

I’ll tell you an anecdote.

In the summer of 2023 leading to the ODI World Cup, Pakistan had become the no 1 ranked team by playing weaker teams. Pakistanis were full of confidence that they were one of the “favourites” for the World Cup and would smash India and India would not be able to respond.

Over the next 2 years not only did they lose every single game against India (by huge margins) they kept getting kicked out in the first round of tournaments by the likes of Afghanistan, USA etc while India lost only one match in 3 tournaments, winning 2 of those.

Only now has reality set in there is no “sem2sem”.

Similarly Pakistan being the “only muslim nuclear power” blah blah don’t matter.

What matters is India is the 4th largest economy in the world (soon to be 3rd) growing at a super fast rate. UK has signed an FTA. US and EU are in talks.

Pakistan meanwhile has a smaller economy than the likes of Romania, Colombia etc.

India is geopolitically significant. Pakistan isn’t.

This entire operation had the blessing of USA and the western world that’s why India targeted only terrorist hideouts and not military infrastructure to act as a deterrent and give Pakistan an off-ramp.

Despite the frothing of Pak nationalists, Pakistan (after being told by daddies USA and Saudi Arabia) seem to de-escalated with their response for their awaam being “5-6 Rafales down”.

Any attack by Pakistan would invite economic sanctions by the rest of the world as well as even more escalation by India. Mind you, winning a war is way more difficult than winning a dogfight.

Pakistan would do well not to do any more mischief in coming years when India will have become stronger and the response will be even more pronounced.

Pak nationalists might not like it but their establishment is already making these noises.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 days ago

I guess the winners will be the arms dealers. Need to buy more. Expensive stuff war,

China, the US and Russia are watching closely, also given the weapons being pitted against each other:

A top Chinese-made Pakistani fighter shot down at least two Indian military aircraft on Wednesday, two US officials have told the Reuters news agency, marking a major milestone for Beijingโ€™s advanced fighter jet.

One US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there was high confidence that Pakistan had used the Chinese-made J-10 aircraft to launch air-to-air missiles against Indian fighter jets, bringing down at least two.

They argue that New Delhiโ€™s actions are more symbolic and aimed at addressing its domestic audience rather than tactical advancement in the so-called โ€œfight against terrorโ€.
“This is all a domestic theatre,” said Ajai Sahni, executive director of South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP), a platform that tracks and analyses armed attacks in South Asia. “The Indian strikes [in Pakistan] have no deterrent value.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pakistan-claims-it-killed-50-indian-soldiers-fresh-border-clashes

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sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 days ago

Pakistanโ€™s military said it had shot down 25 Israeli Harop drones

The Indian source told Middle East Eye the drones were made in Israel and supplied to the Indian military by the Adani Group, a multinational company founded by Indian billionaire Gautam Adani, who has been close to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for decades.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israeli-made-suicide-drones-launched-india-against-pakistan-some-intercepted

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
5 days ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Chinese mo-ck India with a special song about Rafale Jets being shot down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ozlIUcNPk

Kabir
Kabir
5 days ago

On his latest post (Pakistan is showing restraint) X.T.M writes that the Pakistani public is not rising up against the military.

On the contrary, the Indian aggression against Pakistan has brought the whole nation together behind the armed forces. Even the PTI is standing behind the Army (despite the fact that Imran remains jailed). Pakistani media is calling for the blood of the innocent children killed by India to be avenged. TV anchors note that we are Muslim and are always ready to embrace martyrdom in the cause of God. Pakistanis are unfollowing Indian celebrities on social media.

The nation is going to put pressure on the army to counterstrike India. If they do not do so, the Pakistan Army will lose credibility. We may have been able to swallow the initial attack of “Operation Sindoor” and tell ourselves that shooting down 5 planes was enough. However, India’s action of sending in drones into Pakistani cities has only further escalated the situation. Now, there has to be a firm response.

If Modi wants a definitive India-Pakistan war, Pakistan is ready to give it to him.

A Doval
A Doval
4 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Blah blah blah blah

Doesn’t change the reality of India having a 12x GDP, 10x military budget, 5.5x the population, 40x forex reserves vis a vis Pakistan.

And that is discounting Pakistan’s poor geography.

Pakistan’s major economic corridor in Punjab is right on the border and can be shut down by missiles and drones without India even crossing the border.

The Indian counterpart is basically Muslim J&K and Sikh Punjab which are hardly the economic engine of India and then uninhabited areas like the Thar Desert and the Rann of Kutch.

Karachi is right on the coast where they are defended by the coast guard of a navy Pakistan has (0 destroyers) while the Indian navy fields multiple aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, destroyers.

Other than that, rampaging freedom movements in Balochistan and KPK are underway by the BLA/TTP who are killing 5-10 Pakistani soldiers every day.

India also has massive industrial capacity for it’s military needs while Pakistani mostly imports. Example, India used its own drones and air defense vs Pakistan while Pakistan used Turkish drones and Chinese air defense.

Other than that, India’s economy means it is in the good books of most world powers including Pakistan’s abbus in the GCC.

So with such a massive handicap, if Pakistan is foolish enough to go to war with India, so be it.

Bluster is one thing.

Facts are another.

Munir can de-escalate and take the humiliation or escalate and take a greater humiliation.

Ultimately Pakistan will be humiliated. It is up to them to choose the degree of humiliation.

Kabir
Kabir
4 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

You can tell yourself whatever you want. The French have admitted we shot down your Rafales. The Americans have said Pakistan shot down at least 2 Indian planes.

Pakistan is not playing. You mess with us, we will teach you a lesson. We will avenge the blood of the children you killed. Only cowards kill women and children.

So far Pakistan has only been defending itself. You haven’t seen our offensive action yet. Your Hindutva regime is messing with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, not some third rate power.

A Doval
A Doval
4 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Hahahaha

Let us assume you took down “10 Rafales and 20 UFOs” as you have been “claiming”.

You do know a real war is not just dogfights?

How are you gonna compete against drones, artillery, navy, military industrial production, geography, forex reserves, international relationships etc etc which are orders of magnitudes better than Pak.

You are right. Pakistan is not a 3rd rate power. It is a 5th rate one with an economy behind the likes of Romania and Colombia.

Come on, show your offensive action.

Just hearing big words .

Need to give you a reality check like you got regarding your cricket team.

Kabir
Kabir
4 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

I’m done engaging with you. You are a troll.

Pakistan Army will show you what our response is. Don’t mess with the Muslim world’s only nuclear power.

A Doval
A Doval
4 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Muslims world’s only nuclear power is like being the best Pakistani swimmer lol.

The biggest Muslim economy is Turkey who is at no 16 and not even a 2 trillion economy.

The “Muslim world” ain’t shit.

I’d like to see what Pak Army’s response is.

An army responsible for the biggest surrender post WWII – 93000

An army who is only good for beating up PTI workers.

Bring it!!!

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
4 days ago

Smart Indian Muslim (Bihari) Boy

https://web.facebook.com/reel/1360449968335570

A Doval
A Doval
4 days ago

Pakistan has tried to hit India with drones for the last few days and failed. Today tried a missile which got intercepted.

India is now pounding airbases in Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Lahore etc.

Remember, just cause you can win dogfights doesn’t mean you can compete in anything else.

phyecho1
phyecho1
4 days ago

all this pakistan, pakistan, what pakistan think,s what pakistanis feel etc. There is an actual world that has been recording the details of whats been happening for last 30 +yrs. Soon china itself will tell pakistan to shut up. The world is evolving into a future where meatware(terrorists/jihadis etc) will be dominated by low cost machineware. and drones. This dominance of India due to its drone capabilities and logistical battle prowess is there for all to see now. India is tied to the world economically more, including gulf countries which dont want such instability. The world will converge to this reality that pakistan is irresponsible power. That it didnt till now has to do with Indian economy not doing well enough. As India’s clout will grow, it will make this case much better. Turn meatware(terrorism) fights turn to drones, machines instead. Nukes wont come into picture because there wont be an invasion of pakistan, its territorial security will be there. Pakistan has taught India and rest of the world that one can fight wars with nukes. But sadly for it, this barbarian logic that it taught gives it unique immunity is now known to all. There is no miliatry parity between pak army and Indian army. India will have munitions, technology to bomb pak miliatry out of existence, and then its capability to defend itself from BLA, iran, taliban encroaching will be severely degraded, India tried peace for 70 yrs, tried it with vajpayee bjp and congress manmohan even considered autonmy for kashmir with joint patrol of defense with pakistan, 26/11 has proved to all Indians irrespective of party color, the reality of the other side. They are treacherous snakes, nothing more.They will do jihad irrespective of whether one wants war or peace. So, it was decided that One will focus on increasing one’s economy, build diplomacy to all countries, to be more important to all countries than pak will ever be and leverage action against terrorism. Its over. Humiliation of pak army is imminent ; people of pakistan have a choice, get rid of terrorists and fanatics amongst their midst or face the wrath of the world realizing the meaning of this. Pakistanis and pakistan sympathizers can go cry and scream, World moves away from psychos.

Brown
Brown
4 days ago

it seems IMF loan to pay was approved by USA on the condition of cease fire.

Brown
Brown
4 days ago
Reply to  Brown

to pak

Nivedita
Nivedita
4 days ago
Reply to  Brown

Disappointed, we were at a pretty good place. Let’s hope that the maximum has been extracted from the failed terrorist state.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
3 days ago

The last part is important. Once the fog descends on the killing fields, the objectives that drove our country to launch a war get forgotten. Even erudite Indians get thrilled that Lahoreโ€™s air defence system has been taken out by an Indian drone (although BBC reports politely that there is no โ€œindependent confirmationโ€ of the Indian claim.) Nonetheless, yesterday afternoon, the driver of a car who was bringing me home from a lunch, said in jubilation in Hindi, โ€˜Sir, we are buggering them in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Karachiโ€ฆ they have nowhere to hide.โ€™ And he used an expletive.

https://www.indianpunchline.com/logic-and-reasoning-in-the-time-of-war/

Brown
Brown
3 days ago

ceasefire violated. trump, well trump

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
3 days ago
Reply to  Brown

By whom

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
3 days ago

Pakistanโ€™s Chinese J-10C Locked Communication System of Indiaโ€™s Rafale

https://web.facebook.com/reel/1410546233474787

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
3 days ago

Why Pakistan didnโ€™t shoot down Indian Israeli drones and allow them come close.

https://web.facebook.com/reel/639678948746256

xperia2015
xperia2015
3 days ago

In case you haven’t all figured it out there is a Troll on this site. It engages exclusively in rage bait trolling.
As a wise man once said (paraphrasing), don’t engage with the troll, it will bring you down to its level and then beat you with its experience.

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
3 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

In case you are referring to me sbarrkum I have been commenting and writing on this blogs since the days when it was Sepia Mutiny (that was from about 2007, about 18 years ago)

On this blog as author too same handle and I am not anonymous. There is a description at the bottom of my posts

No question if you make troll comments, I respond with same. As you say “it will go down to your level and then beat you with my experience”

If you dont like alternate views that I post you can intelligently debate its validity. Troll comments get troll answers.

Here is a comment from about 7 years ago
https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/04/18/semitised-iran-aryanised-india/#comment-8492

sbarrkum
sbarrkum
3 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

A post from 2018.(7 years ago)
About me at bottom of post

https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/06/01/lanka-and-kalinga/

A Doval
A Doval
2 days ago

In response to X.T.M.’s post “China: The Unseen Winner of the Indo-Pak Skirmish?”.
Till now there has been ZERO proof any downed Indian jets. Everythign is hearsay, rumours etc.

And even these do not corroborate with the “5 including 3 Rafales” claimed by Pakistanis.

These “unknown Frenchman”, “unknown Americna” at best confirm 1 Rafale.

Also IAF was not engaged in a direct fight. They went in and took out all of the terror infrastructure without disabling the AD. they were already fighting with a hand tied behind their back.

Operation Baniyan PAF could inflict no losses – whether on jets or military infrastructure when they went up against IAF in a direct fight.

Pure humiliation for Pakistan either way and shows them where they are at now.

xperia2015
xperia2015
2 days ago
Reply to  A Doval

Did your comment get axed? Mine did for some reason. Was marked as spam. The horror! God knows what pissed the mod off.

A Doval
A Doval
2 days ago
Reply to  xperia2015

No it’s there

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