I’ll do a larger post sometime later (maybe tomorrow) but a quick rebuttal of some points raised by Kabir in his latest post regarding caste.
Kabir mentioned this about privilege.
All the Pakistanis on BP are privileged given that we are all English-speaking and all of us have foreign citizenship (I assume).
All the Indians on BP are also privileged in that they are able to converse in English.
Notice the difference. The Pakistanis had to go abroad to live/study. The Indians didn’t. I don’t know about most Indians here (maybe they would like to enlighten) but I have spent my entire life in India. I have only gone abroad on vacation. There is no Pakistani equivalent here.
And that is telling.
India is better than Pakistan on all socioeconomic metrics. And I can link charts, data etc here but real world examples like this are more telling.
Sujatha Gidla, a Dalit was able to get education in some of India’s best educational institutions and make it to the United States where she could write a book in English. Unlike in Pakistan, one need not be a descendant of “doctors and lawyers” to be able to go down that path.
Again, I am not denying the existence of discrimination against Dalits (or for that matter Muslims) in India.
But the fact that Dalits (and Muslims) have dissenting voices as well as a visible presence in India speaks for India’s relative egalitarianism vis a vis Pakistan.
In fact, I would say caste is even more pervasive in Pakistan than India due to the complete denial by the privileged castes (as we can see here) and the complete invisibility of it. Kabir has multiple times spoken of his Iranian ancestry as well as EK of his Kashmiri Brahmin ancestry so they are very much “Ashrafs” speaking about “Ajlafs” and “Arzals”.
Poetry by Iqbal is fine and dandy but that doesn’t change the reality on the ground.
All those Muslims exist on the Indian side too where they receive affirmative action (as they should). What is called as “biradiri” is basically “caste”.
Kabir did make this comment about “proper Muslims”.
Proper Muslims (Arabs) don’t have caste.
First of all, it is good to see the acceptance by Pakistanis that they are not “proper Muslims”.
Secondly, since they are not “proper Muslims” but “Hindu Muslims” maybe time for them to examine their faults?
