Tag: Indian History
de-propagandizing the Aryan invasion debate: a rebuttal to A. L. Chavda’s rebuttal
Sometimes you fall into things. Indian population genetics is not a major interest of mine that looms large, but I know a fair amount about the topic, and people seem to be looking to me to say something about recent developments. I have admitted that I am close to completing a major article in an Indian publication on the topic. It will in broad sketches resemble Tony Joseph’s piece in The Hindu, but there will be some differences. Because I am a geneticist with some knowledge of this topic I will avoid the minor errors which occur within the piece because the author is not a specialist (nor are the editors). Second, I’m going to take a less strident tone. Joseph’s piece read like a brief for the prosecution. But science is not a lawyerly endeavor. Being wrong is something scientists accept, embrace, and reject only in breach of their values, not as a matter of course.
As noted by readers this is an emotional topic. A friend informed me that Sanjeev Sanyal positively passed around the Swarajy piece which attacked my character by relying on social justice warrior and Leftist critiques. I tweeted at Sanjeev taking some objection to this behavior, as we had been friendly (I had dinner with him in New York City a few years back). Today I see that he unfollowed me on Twitter. Such is life (an Indian friend who is Facebook friends with Sanjeev apparently objected to his posting that article due to its attack on me, and he deleted that comment).
But I have to stand by what is true. So I’m going to respond to another piece,
100 Years of Marxist Revolution..
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/books/review/victor-sebestyen-lenin-biography.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/16/books/review/martin-amis-lenin-russian-revolution.html?_r=0
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/247342/sickening-cost-of-lenins-revolution
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/books/review/12-new-books-we-recommend-this-week.html?_r=0
http://reason.com/archives/2017/11/01/communism-turns-100
You are right that the Marxists of the early 20th century can be excused to some degree because the results of Marxist revolution had not been seen at that point. Those who sympathized with arguments like Edmund Burke’s argument against the French revolution were already opposed to it (as, obviously, were those whose privileges or perks were directly threatened by it) but that line of argument is dense and/or subtle and there are equally dense and subtle arguments against it (in theory), so yes, it is understandable that many good and intelligent people could be tempted by it then, but we expect their descendants to know better now.
This HAS happened to some extent. It is not as widely popular an alternative as it was in the 1930s. But even after it has been repeatedly tried and has repeatedly failed, the fact that so many good and intelligent people are STILL tempted by it may have more to do with the fact that it also aligns with some deeply rooted quirks of human nature. i.e. like other religions, it is fated to remain a part of our social life. It appeals to enough of our nobler AND baser instincts to remain an attractive meme; not for everyone. But for enough people. Something like that.
The same could, of course, be said for other persistent ideologies. The rise of a particular ideology to dominance may be contingent, but baseline persistence is more or less guaranteed.
Not a very original observation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/29/100-years-100-million-deaths-later-communism-still-has-converts/
Not all Aryans are Indians, though most Indians have Aryan ancestry
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Not exactly, partly true, later shunga dynasty supported buddhism as well. One has to look at the same sources that , the first state sanctioned genocide on basis of religion infact happened under Ashoka . so it was ashoka who used violence, then new empire that displaced them also used violence and since buddhist sangha was associated with mauryan empire a lot, they too suffered probably, but then again, the next generation also supported buddhism. Later period of attack by mihirakula was defeated by other hindu kings who were praised by buddhists in their writings. Infact, ambedkar writes buddhism disappeared because of coming of Islam.
“There can be no doubt that the fall of Buddhism in India was due to the invasions of the Musalmans. Islam came out as the enemy of the ‘But’. The word ‘But’ as everybody knows, is the Arabic word and means an idol. Thus the origin of the word indicates that in the Moslem mind idol worship had come to be identified with the Religion of the Buddha. To the Muslims, they were one and the same thing. The mission to break the idols thus became the mission to destroy Buddhism. Islam destroyed Buddhism not only in India but wherever it went. Before Islam came into being Buddhism was the religion of Bactria, Parthia, Afghanistan, Gandhar, and Chinese Turkestan, as it was of the whole of Asia.”
decline of buddhism
HINDU-MUSLIM CONFLICT IN INDIA: A “PRE-COLONIAL” VIEW
Ajay Verghese of US Riverside is one of the up and coming political scientists who specialize on South Asia. His earlier book “The Colonial Origins of Ethnic Violence in India” (Stanford University Press, 2016) argued that the geographic pattern of mob-violence in India has its root in the Colonial era but in a surprising way. He argued that religious or communal violence (Hindu-Muslim usually) is associated with the former princely states (the Maharaja, Nawab states), while tribal and caste violence is associated with areas under direct British colonial rule.
I have always thought colonial studies infantalizing. Yhe british drew a few lines
The reorientation of Indian nationalism
Resistance against a common political actor has played a defining role in the emergence of most nationalisms around the world. The wars against the ‘French’ turned England into a nation, even before any semblance of French nationalism emerging.
A millennium of exits from India
The last one thousand years has seen a consistent and substantial shrinking of the Indian world. There are three large scale processes involved in this folding. The first is the exit of the peasantry and warrior castes from India’s margins to the Perso-Islamic world. The second is the de-Indicization of South East Asia, first with Islam replacing Hinduism/Buddhism as the main religion in much of maritime South East Asia, followed by the West becoming the main source of cultural and political influence. The third is the exit of highly educated Indians (overwhelmingly upper caste Hindus) to the West, either physically as migrants or intellectually in terms of mindspace.
The development of a sophisticated, reflective culture in India and its culmination in literary and spiritual terms as the various Indian epics and religions was enabled by the complex intermingling of nomadic and settled societies and the abundant surplus of riverine India’s highly fertile land. Consider this, the pre-industrial population of Uttar Pradesh (47 million in 1871), was more than the population of all of Western Europe combined. But the last 1000 years has seen India contribute very little to the rest of the world despite its natural and intellectual riches.
As modern day citizens of the Republic of India become increasingly self aware about their customs, language and history, their mind will turn to why India remained subdued for such a long time. Notwithstanding convenient pronouncements about India’s ‘ability’ to ‘absorb’ various influences, it remains a fact that there are no Sanskrit or Tamil high words in Arabic, and there is no influence of Indian architecture or art on Persian expression. American and British courts do not refer to Indian law or judgements. The names of Indian scientists do not populate science textbooks. It is all one way traffic.
To be successful and worthwhile, reflection on this has to turn away from simplistic pronouncements about the cruelty of India’s various invaders and betrayals by self centred insiders to allow for an interrogation of the structure of Indian civilization.
What factors allowed for the growth of rule of law and democracy in medieval England,but prevented the same in medieval India ? Such institutions did not look on the horizon even in Hindu kingdoms of Kerala and Assam. Given Fukuyama’s contention that the appearance of these institutions is linked ultimately to Indo-European culture (does this explain the relatively smooth acceptance of democracy in India versus the resistance it got everywhere else ?), it is important to understand how little England got there before us.
What made the native Indian elites at the time of the Delhi Sultanate and the later Mughal Sultanate acquiesce to Persian as the official language ? One of the first actions of the Maratha Empire was the anointment of Sanskrit and Marathi as official languages. So if Indic options were available, especially Sanskrit, why did the Rajputs, Brahmins and Vaishyas not push for its position as the Sultanate’s official language ? After all the Turkic Qing dynasty in China maintained Mandarin as the official language. It is befuddling to imagine that they did not foresee the consequences this would bring.
The conventional response to such questions has revolved around caste as a dehumanizing and denationalizing force. But we know that caste did not play
The awakened Indian lives in an odious, depressing world today. A new generation of elite and middle class appears to have virtually no interest in India beyond superficial cliches. A lifeline was thrown to Indian civilization by Gandhi and the Independence Movement.
Indian Officers in the British Indian Army
Why the Steppe Theory of PIE Origins is likely to be wrong
In the last post by Razib, there is a lot of psycho-analysing being done by various commentators about what motivates Indians to deny AIT/AMT and support OIT. The underlying assumption being AIT/AMT is gospel truth. But is it so ? And if it is not, questioning the theory and bringing up facts that don’t support this theory should be looked at and discussed in a healthy debate.
Let me in the spirit of that debate share some pieces of evidence that massively undermine the Steppe PIE origin theory and also manages to indicate a possible SC Asian connection & migration to the steppe that is of the pre-Yamnaya stage.
