The day before yesterday, we published a general interest piece on the Philippine birth rate. Within a day it had drawn over a hundred comments and stopped being about the Philippines at all. It became, in turn, a debate on female autonomy, a referendum on Islam, a quarrel about civility, and a meditation on why human beings have stopped reproducing themselves. This is what Brown Pundits does that almost no other space on the internet can do, and it is worth pausing to say why, and to say plainly where we stand.
The diagnosis and the cure
Qureishi proposed, with complete seriousness, that the only solution to collapsing birth rates is to restrict female access to contraception, higher education, employment, and political representation. We disagree with every word of that cure. Restricting half of humanity from education and public life is functional enslavement, whatever euphemism of “policy” it travels under, and we said so in the thread.
The ecumene does not breed any longer
But we will not pretend the diagnosis is wrong merely because the doctor is. Birth rates are plunging everywhere, faster than any demographer predicted, and the $300 billion South Korea spent on subsidies did not move the needle. Q is right that this is not a money problem. He is wrong about what kind of problem it is.
The fashionable answer is that women got free and chose otherwise. Our answer is the opposite: everyone got less free, and women are simply the first to act on it. People are voting with their wombs. They are refusing to manufacture children for a world whose only offer is endless consumption, a working (waged?) life that begins at twenty-five and ends at sixty-five, and a retirement of warehoused loneliness. Marx called the failure to see one’s own condition false consciousness. The modern consumer is the Ye Olde Peasant with better teeth and a credit card, and somewhere the peasant knows it.
On the day of the trillionaire
We write this on the day the verdict came in. Yesterday SpaceX listed on the Nasdaq in the largest IPO in history, valued at nearly two trillion dollars against expected 2026 revenues of twenty-two to twenty-four billion, roughly ninety times revenue, for a company that lost 8.7 billion dollars between the start of 2025 and this March. Elon Musk became, on paper at least (he cannot sell a share for a year), history’s first trillionaire, worth more than the next four richest men combined.
Hold the two facts together. The same week the Philippines confirms its women have quietly gone on reproductive strike, the apex male of the species is crowned with a fortune larger than most national economies. Musk laments falling birth rates while embodying their cause, and this is a claim we can demonstrate, not merely assert. The man has fathered more than a dozen children by multiple mothers while ordinary men exit the reproductive market altogether, and the data on that market is now an economics literature.
Tinder is more unequal than the Global South
A notorious quantitative study of Tinder computed a Gini coefficient of 0.58 for male desirability, more unequal than 95 percent of the world’s national economies, with the bottom 80 percent of men competing for the bottom 22 percent of women. Hinge’s own engineer found male attention concentrated far more steeply than female: a Gini of roughly 0.54 against 0.38. And economists at the St Louis Federal Reserve have shown that online sorting by education and wage has measurably widened household income inequality itself. The marriage market is not adjacent to the wealth market; they are the same market, and Musk sits atop both simultaneously, which is precisely the point.
Beware the Meritocracy
The divides within humanity are now of a scale not seen since hereditary aristocracy, except that the meritocracy is cleverer than the aristocracy ever was. It knows how to defuse revolution. It does not send in the cavalry; it sends in the algorithm, the subsidy, and the side hustle. The patriarchy was never really about all men ruling all women. It was always about a few men ruling everyone, with the rest of the male sex as its unpaid enforcers. Note what that sentence does, because we will hold it to account later: it defines patriarchy as concentration, the rule of the few, which is simply inequity wearing its most intimate face. The oligarchy of the boardroom and the oligarchy of the marriage bed are one structure observed at two scales.
A word to the Saffroniate
In the thread, our commenter 0M-3 argued that Islam is uniquely regressive towards women, and Kabir replied with sati, and the two of them re-litigated 1947 in miniature, as our Commentariat is contractually obliged to do at least once per fortnight. We pushed back on the Islam-is-uniquely-patriarchal line and we will state the reason here.
bell hooks
bell hooks observed that despite every gain of the feminist movement, patriarchy as a system remains intact, and she insisted that patriarchy had no exact culture or nation. We would extend her: it has no religion either.
It survived the transition from paganism to Christianity, from Christianity to secularism, from the Mughals to the Raj to the Republic. Religions change, empires change, languages change. The patriarchy survives everything, because it does not live in scripture. It lives in inequity.
Corporatism is Patriarchy on Steroids
This is the same thesis we stated at the trillionaire’s coronation, now at a global scale scale: the rule of the few over everyone is inequity in the bedroom, and inequity is the rule of the few.
One primal form, Empire & Patriarchy, and every ideology subsequent has been merely its tenant. Misogyny is downstream of disproportionate economic power, which is why the most feminist societies on earth are not the most pious or the most atheist but the most equal. To the Saffroniate using Q’s thread as ammunition against Muslims: it is simply an excuse to indulge in some good ole phobia.
Empire wins through severance
Why has no government anywhere reversed the decline? Because the disease is structural and the structure is imperial. Empire, in its modern corporate form, wins by severing people from land, kin, and continuity, and a severed people does not reproduce.
Consider the ledger of severance. In 1776 the United States declared independence and proceeded to entrench slavery and prosecute genocide on a continental scale; the public relations came later. The French Revolution, the Russian, the Iranian, the Chinese: each promised liberation and delivered mountains of corpses before delivering anything else. Indian independence arrived welded to Partition, and Partition to Bangladesh, each severance bloodier than the last.
The Celtic Case
Compare the two Celtic destinies. Ireland won independence the hard-nosed, bloodied way and is today a partitioned republic functioning as a holding pen for American corporations, Dublin a tax address with a parliament attached. Scotland never seceded, and by perpetually threatening to, converted its oil into autonomy and concession after concession. Nehru, had he taken Dominion status instead of demanding the clean break, might have spared the subcontinent its great wound, though we concede the British Empire judged its colonies by their whiteness and may never have offered India what it offered Ottawa and Canberra. Independence is a romance; leverage is a strategy. Empire understands this perfectly, which is why it always prefers that you secede, fragment, and start from zero.
Why does Africa grow cocoa while Switzerland grows chocolate brands? Because capital is permitted to migrate north and forbidden to settle south. The Global North hoards; the Global South remits. A species organised this way produces trillionaires and not children. That is the whole of it.
Releasing the ghost of Patriarchy from BP
The thread also taught us something about ourselves. Brown Pundits works because it is a community space with a light-touch admin team and a ferociously strong Commentariat, where Indians and Pakistanis who inherited the schism still sit at one table, observe the occasional ceasefire, and produce signal where the rest of the internet produces noise. We let Q’s comments stand, with an admin note, because a space that cannot examine an offensive argument cannot defeat it either. The Commentariat dismantled it in public view far more thoroughly than deletion ever could.
The Female Admin Team
But our 2026 reader survey told us the one thing the thread confirmed: women are badly underrepresented here. We are not in the business of growth; this has never been a paid-for enterprise. What we can do is this, and as of today it is policy. The Female Admin Team holds final adjudication over gender threads, with full authority to edit, note, or remove. And we will deliberately elevate, commission, and amplify our female contributors, because the best answer to a patriarchy that survives everything is a space that refuses to reproduce it.
The patriarchy survives empires. Let us see if it survives an empowered Commentariat.

True, massive gender disparity and it also revealed that this blogs readership and commenters are overwhelmingly Hindu, upper caste, Indian/Hindu nationalist, privileged and old (considerably older than the average South Asian) – which explains the disconnect a lot of the contributors here have with reality.
I think its great you’re at least making efforts to minimize the gender disparity on the admin side. Hopefully these are genuine people and not Larpers/Dhurandars/Nurse “Shazia Banos” with ulterior motives, as someone on this blog was hinting at.
the Editorial team are very established and well-vetted.
tbh we do need a balancing Editor from the Cresceniate so maybe you should consider.
the point of the Editorial-Admin team is that we actually don’t need help in “moderating” (ceasefires are very effective), it is to extend our blindspots.
so there may be comments about the Cresceniate that we aren’t able to clock as offensive that are worth adding expanded notes to.
BP expands through precedents and protocols; that’s how we run a VERY tight ship but in an extraordinary free-wheeling vessel.
by allowing the Female Admin Team to assess Q’s comments, it allowed them to be aired and create conversational pathways.
also it allowed us to shut down the suggestion that abuse was the correct response to them.
our concern as well is that Islamophobia does get masked a fair bit in the name of liberal ideals, which is why we think you might be a good addition to the Editorial team (to smoke that out)..
Thank you for the offer, I appreciate your efforts at trying to mitigate these blindspots but I think Kabir or Furqan Ali would make much better candidates for this. I’m content with remaining part of the commenteriat class.
True, massive gender disparity and it also revealed that this blogs readership and commenters are overwhelmingly Hindu, upper caste, Indian/Hindu nationalist, privileged and old (considerably older than the average South Asian) – which explains the disconnect a lot of the contributors here have with reality.
Sampling bias? Going by XTM’s comments, less than 5% of the regular readership seems to have bothered to fill out the survey. I haven’t been keeping close tabs lately so happy to stand corrected.
Yes but even so even if it Upper Caste men who read and engage with us; we aren’t particularly fussed ..
Diversity for the sake of diversity makes no sense; the Commentariat make BP what it is..
If Elon Musk is the peak male of our species then we are officially cooked.
Most human societies have been patriarchal even before we had civilization, a movement barely 70 years old should not be judged because it has not been.able to dislodge something that has been a.major part of our species.
Patriarchy is not end of males in all forms of power but an equality of outcome between men and women, this is already a reality in much of the world and will become more so in the future.
Our own vembu is shaping as an ” elon musk” of India by venting out extremely non popular, anti “progressive “, opinions.
May be because he is in constant jaghada with his wife?
jaghada?
Estranged,
What is the context ..
Vembu by virtue of his wealth has advocated early marriage for girls, return of Indian Americans back home to kick start india. Etc
> return of Indian Americans back home to kick start india
Surely, this is not a right wing position?
the Indian Subcontinent needs to sort out its traffic problem first
As a relatively recent émigré, this is so true! The human capital wasted every single day is a crime against humanity.
Well yes – India is a paradise waiting to be reborn.
We are lucky that we go to Chennai so our hack is a one hour flight to Colombo for a getaway.. that way we get that exotic feels since SL is more real than Maldives, Bali or SE Asia..
We prefer to be in core Indian Subcontinent as much as possible.
SL is more real than Maldives, Bali or SE Asia.
I know what you are trying to say but this is quite broad. Bali is fascinating if you go to the non-touristy parts. I recently spent some time in the Great Besakih temple complex which is a 3 hour drive from the airport. It was so beautiful to see local priests performing Vedic chants without any of the paraphernalia (and plastic) that has become the defining image of Indian dhams today. I am not quite a religious one but sitting in one of the pujas gave me a glimpse of the relaxing power of the ancient word, something I’ve never felt at any temple in India.
Part of me couldn’t help but imagine if Dharmic society in the subcontinent back then would’ve felt similar a few centuries ago. Even as an Indian, I find our historical and religious cultural places to be too much of an assault on the senses.
I agree with you.
Quite a few of our religious places have become very regretfully commercial (the more famous ones worse off). The beauty of simple Vedic chants as you mentioned is far more pleasing to the senses and the soul.
Maybe, but most of Elons problems are because of his mid life crisis and extremely detachment from people around him due to his money.
Vembu or anyone else are not as far gone.
it’s fascinating how threads need so much massaging to come to life and then at other times just bursts into life.
what is interesting though to keep BP stimulating; we need more “far out ideas” rather than consensus. no one comes to BP to read the mainstream view.
there is something we wrote in our newsletter
https://brahm.beehiiv.com/p/partition-s-impact-on-india-s-regional-quadrants
the cost of Partition to the 5 main regions of the Indian Subcontinent.
Confederations are the way forward as the way of the Nation-State comes to an end.
Elon is richer than most of the individual countries of the Global South.
XTM you keep saying I am wrong about the kind of problem, but the entire post basically covers what I have been saying all along.
1) Females prefer top males (Hinge and Tinder data just provides further proof to what is obvious) because it is female nature to secure the best mate possible with the most resources to secure their offspring (they invest much more time and resources in a child and can only have a half a dozen) whereas males have less investement. So it is natural that the females would rather be in a harem of a king than be with a monogamous poor peasant.
All humans societies in the past everywhere in the world knew this, and the ones that were successful long term (survivor bias) were the ones that restricted & controlled female sexuality to provide a form a stability to peasant life otherwise the peasants would have revolted. We now label this as patriarchy but it was a better form of patriarachy than corporate capitalism:
2) Corporate capitalism is a form of Patriarachy on steriods as you said and you explained the ‘how’ correctly, but I think it won’t last longer than traditional patriarchies.. because just like a body that takes steriods, it overplayed its hand and will buckle under its own weight. The elite is too rich and too small to possibly induct millions of women into its harem, and peacetime has bulged the populations of peasant men who are looking for trouble (legalizing drugs and promoting videos games to pacify them will not work forever)
We agree with your diagnosis but disagree with the cure..
The sexual marketplace has to be played out but we agree that it actually doesn’t favour women (who have a womb) and men (who produce millions of sperm).
High status men will want high status women for wives but will “consort” with lower status women.
So divorce, which is actually very healthy, means that men can swap out.
Men can “slay” in a promiscuous environment but yes these are interesting discussion points.
We are happy to be enlightened.
The most incredible part of Q’s assertion is that women are unidimensional creatures with a single minded purpose to snag a “catch” and reproduce as much as possible with said catch.
Generalizing half of humanity furiously to zombies who exist only to fulfill a single biological need seems to be what he genuinely believes. That is in itself highly offensive. But no point flogging a dead horse.
yes that’s why we’ve deferred it to the broader Admin team.. it is offensive
“Women are uni dimensional creatures”
Before slandering me, at least cite where I said this.
People are driven by their biological imperative. Outline and explaining that biological imperative is not “asserting women are uni dimensional creatures”
All humans are driven by their biological Imperative, not just half of humanity.
Dont slander.
Backtracking now are we?
Its obvious that is exactly what you implied. Unless you’re now mansplaining away that I cannot infer what you very clearly said without spelling it out.
Banning higher education for women?
This is just a matter of policy. I did not advocate for ‘banning higher education for women’ – more like ‘severely restricting’ it (my actual words) with quota and removing funding that promotes it. There will always be a subset of women who really want it enough that they are willing to compete and sacrifice for it, most women enrolling in post secondary and post grad these days are not intelligent or capable enough but universities milk them for money as they too are in a business for profit nowadays. These women would be better off being a wife and mother.
This removes all the pretenders who see formal education a way to waste away their youth in being unproductive which in the long term is self-destructive.
In the modern age, if you love education, you can get it for free on the internet. You don’t need to waste your time getting a formal degree and be unproductive in your youth. Either work or get married and start reproducing. A formal degree to most women is just a certificate of achievemnent where nothing is achieved apart from an inflated sense of ego which they then use to remove half their potential matches in the dating/marriage pool and eventually end up forever alone, with a cat and unhappy, and a lot of free time which they fully use to misguide the next generation as well.
This is the policy aim the government dealing with TFR needs to achieve.
This literally makes no sense with respect ..
In fact it is FAR better for women to be educated (to the highest degree possible) than men..
True, just ask Afghan women.
Leta Setter Hollingworth empirically dismantled the popular early 20th-century myth that women were inherently intellectually inferior to men, proving that the average cognitive abilities and intelligence of both sexes are completely equal.
https://medium.com/rediscover-steam/leta-stetter-hollingworth-educator-psychologist-feminist-c3f7a299d6f6
XTM, we are living in 2026. This is not 2006. The internet is free, and education on any topic can be had for free, available to anyone with an internet connection which these days which is available even in the remotest areas of the developing world. People even have AI chat bots to explain concepts better than any teacher, in their very own language.
So why is everyone pretending to live in 2006 still?
Nobody needs formal education from university professors, not even men. University is basically going to go the way of the dodo if they don’t reform. At this point it’s more of a networking experience, that comes with bragging rights in the form of an electronic document these days, but the value is diminishing day by day.
So why is society pretending that this matters? It does not.
The reason why I am singling out women here is because a lot of women use this outdated method to fish for mates. In an open dating market, a formal education is taken as a sign of educational attainment.. First women themselves want to spend most of their fertile period trying to get a formal education, and then the rest of their fertile period trying to attain a mate partner who is higher up the ladder (women just won’t marry down).
If you want to solve the TFR problem as a govt beaureucrat, this – right here – is one of the biggest causes of it that you can address. More than half the women in western countries are going to be single by 30. They have at most 5-6 years to produce a baby. They are not going to able to do it even if they want it. Who is to blame? Free or subsidized formal education is a big cause among others.
Remove or restrict this, and let’s see if 90% of women really pursue the free education avilable to them online. They won’t.
Education isn’t about learning per se
Do you have any female friends or acquaintances?
Besides who gave you the right to decide what women should or should not do?
Usually god gives this right, but if I am a head of a secular government, I still have the right to make such decisions. If neither is present, then according to Chairman Mao, power and rights flow from the barrel of the gun.
Which God?
No “secular” government ever gets this right. Just the regressive ones under “God”.
“Women hold up half the sky” is a famous quote by former Chinese Communist Party chairman Mao Zedong.
You guys are all overthinking this. What Q wants is a Harem. Kabir has enlightened us that up to 4 wives is legal in Pakistan. That should have satisfied Q but if he wants more then he is truly mad,..
Lol 😆
Chairman Mao won a war, his quotes on war and rights carry more weight. He was not an astronomer and clearly did not know that nobody holds up the sky, not men, not women. But lets assume this is an idiom used to motivate the Chinese women. In that context he is right, women do hold up half the sky, their job is to reproduce and bring forth the next generation of communists to carry on the revolution.
He is gonna act like he doesn’t want a harem like every other male with normal testosterone. And we have to pretend thats true.
Ok, now your argument is just ridiculous. On the flipside, it made me chuckle at its absolute absurdity.
The point that I believe OM-3 was trying to make was that one should be equally offended by the treatment meted out to women under the garb of religion, no matter what that religion be including one’s own.
We know that all religions espouse regressive attitudes towards women. I keep saying this, the degree and the level to which it is still enforced also matters. There will always be resistance to any change especially men giving up status quo in the pecking order sanctioned by religion. I don’t think its particularly contentious to say that certain ideologies are more rigid than others.
“Pakistan’s understanding of ‘My Body, My Choice'”
By Sophia Khan
https://apinksamosa.substack.com/p/pakistans-understanding-of-my-body
For context, “Mera Jism, Meri Marzi” is a controversial slogan chanted by the Aurat March activists.
My dad tells me that part of the problem with this slogan has to do with the Urdu word “Jism”. Unlike the English “body”, “Jism” in Urdu carries sexual connotations. Thus, when most people hear this slogan, they think of nudity and sex. Thus, when the Aurat March ladies chant this slogan people think they are asking for the right to have promiscuous sex–which is actually not at all what they are asking for.
But this is part of the trouble with uncritically adopting Western slogans while not accounting for one’s own cultural environment.
even if they wanted the right to have promiscuous sex; they should be accorded that right..
There I disagree with you.
That is not going to fly in the “Islamic Republic” of Pakistan.
Islam clearly frowns upon all premarital and extramarital sex. The only man a woman is allowed to sleep with is her legally wedded husband. Similarly, the only women a man can sleep with are up to four legally wedded wives.
Islam is very clear on morality.
In most societies, it is very important to know the father of a child. I wouldn’t want my property being passed to my wife’s illegitimate child for example.
Everyone can have the right to be “secretely” promiscous as long as they are not spreading that promiscuity onto others.
Let’s not pretend promiscouity is not going to exist just because God said in his holy book that it is bad. A certain subsection of the people is going to be promiscous. But since promiscuity is bad for society, it should never be promoted or encouraged. So effective laws punish open promotion of promiscuity while allowing it to still exist undergound.
Aurat March in Pakistan is basically funded by western aid money.. or is a pet project of bourgeoius feminists who have been given too much leeway to promote open promiscuity.
I don’t think promiscuity is really the fundamental issue for feminism–in most places and certainly not in Pakistan. That’s also not really what “Aurat March” is promoting. Read Sophia’s piece linked above.
If I found out that my spouse (hypothetical at this point) was cheating on me even “secretly” that person would be out of the picture in no uncertain terms.
I agree with you on the importance of the traditional family structure. I’m certainly not a “feminist”. I’m a centrist–I try to have moderate centrist views on any issue.
But perhaps because I was raised in the US, I do think that generally people should be left alone to live their lives they way they want.
Promiscuity is a problem for the couple concerned not for the State.
Nice article. When women in the US ask for reproductive rights, it too is interpreted as the right to promiscuity and abortion; which is very untrue.
I read this absolutely horrific article in cnn:
https://www.cnn.com/2026/05/28/health/arkansas-miscarriage-abortion-ban-propublica
Men, clergy or the government simply cannot and should not have any say in women’s matters. These have significant repercussions immediately and down the line.
I think it is important to actually have a Pakistani woman’s perspective rather than just men speaking about women. Sophia’s seems like a centrist perspective.
The US (and the West more generally) is a very different culture than Pakistan. In the West, it is assumed that people who are dating will sleep together. In Pakistan, a woman is expected to be a virgin at marriage. No man wants to marry a woman who is not a virgin. Islam technically frowns on premarital sex for both genders.
I’m personally not at all against traditional family relationships. The man should provide for his wife and children. The woman’s primary responsibility is the home and rearing the next generation. But, I’m also not in the business of telling people how they should live their lives.
It’s also true that even if both partners work and are equally educated, the burden of raising children falls disproportionately on the woman. Some of this is just biology. Children tend to be emotionally closer to their mothers than to their fathers.
Pakistan feels very primitive tbh
“Primitive” sounds like a colonialist word. It’s a conservative Muslim-majority society. Islam is very clear about sexual morality. There’s not a lot of room for negotiation on this.
Even in India (which is obviously not an Islamic society) the normative expectation is that women will get married and bear children.
I guess all I’m saying is let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I’m liberal in the sense that I really don’t care what other people do with their lives. It’s not my problem.
But I can understand that a traditional family arrangement works for most people. If I were in the market, I would mostly be looking for a woman who could be a good mother. That’s the primary criteria. Part of being a good mother is being an educated woman.
I disagree with Q on restricting education for women etc. But I do agree with him that there is a biological imperative.
The duty to produce a new generation of Muslims is considered a fundamental one in Islam.
Not at all – getting educated UC Hindu women to have more than 1 child is rare!
India is nothing like Pakistan; in some cases it is light years ahead..
Once again, I don’t really care for India Pakistan comparisons.
But we are well aware that arranged marriages are still the norm in India. Marital Rape is not a crime in India (neither is it a crime in Pakistan).
India is not a Western feminist paradise of free love and open promiscuity. Not that that is necessarily the model that any society has to follow.
My mother and aunts are all doctors. They only have two children each. But it is the job of the woman to raise those children. It’s not the dad’s job. The husband’s role is to provide. Muslim women are not supposed to spend their own money (even if they earn). The husband has to pay for his wife and children’s expenses.
My dad helped us with homework etc but any real emotional needs were met by mom. I think this is normal in most South Asian families–if I can generalize.
Basically, I think you need to accept that Pakistan in particular is a very socially conservative Muslim country. People have a right to those views.
They have and others have a right to call them primitive
Then I can also call a lot of things Indians do “primitive”.
Shall we discuss dowry deaths?
“Primitive” is a colonialist word. One should be very careful about applying it to societies that one is not a part of.
This tendency to want to bash Pakistan is not productive.
As an aside, I was watching the recent Ind-Pak women’s T20 WC match last Sunday (Being held in the UK – catch a match if you can).
I noticed that some of the Indian women had tattoos, including the Haryanvi girl who was Player of the Match in the ODI WC final last year.
Tbh tattoos are super common in urban India nowadays, both genders.
Also another difference – some of the Indians had half sleeve shirts while the entire Pakistani contingent had full sleeve ones.
Now in cricket it doesn’t really matter but dressing does affect other sports.
I remember watching a group stage match of Badminton during the 2022 Asian Games where P V Sindhu’s opponent was a Pakistani woman.
She was wearing full length pants and that was affecting her mobility while P V Sindhu in her shorts did not have that issue.
Funnily as I was posting this screenshot, another video came up which made this divide even more apparent.
The restrictions are obviously not there on Pakistani men as can be seen in this image of a mixed doubles match.
Whatever sport Indian men have had some degree of success in, Indian women have too (sometimes more, sometimes less but it’s not zero).
Considering that more than 50% of medals in sporting events require female participation (women’s events + mixed events), restriction on women does limit sporting achievements.
+1
Excellent comment
We just drove past it and we are staying a few doors down.
Yes definitely want to check it out!
Check out Ind-Aus or Ind-SA. India will have to win one of those to get to the semis as the semi spots are between these three teams.
Australia are the best team there but then again India did defeat them 2-1 in a series a few months ago so who knows?
yes definitely want to go to the games.
it’s a 10 minute drive and love the atmosphere.
we just haven’t checked the prices yet, hopefully they aren’t prohibitive..
+1
To add to your point, even the non UC with no formal education (both men and women) recognise the implicit value in raising and educating the one or two they have instead of producing a little league of malnourished children.
It helps to not have a religious bogeyman undermine simple sensible decisions. The autonomy that this provides to living a more fulfilling life is obvious in the contrast between the two countries.
This has also had a domino effect on the minority in India because the change is that crystal clear. They are changing because they can see the improvement in the lives of others who started off just like them just in one generation.
Agni it’s important to remember that women in Pakistani society are barely allowed any degree of independence. Reproductive freedoms are several tiers away from women who are completely dependent on their spouses for not just sustenance but also for day-to-day activities like travelling (requires a man to drive you or take you places for the sake of safety). The first step towards liberations would be to make most spaces more open for women. I would argue even Iran is more liberal in terms of effective women’s right than Pakistan in that regard. Because women’s education isn’t even a debate in Iran in comparison to Pakistan where around 50% of women can be functionally illiterate.
We would say you are motivated by Pakphobia or Islamophobia but it is kind of true..
I don’t think people who have never even been to Pakistan can really be taken seriously.
Iran enforces the hijab. Pakistan doesn’t. There are women who go around without dupatta and no one can do anything to them other than give them dirty looks for dressing in an un-Islamic fashion.
Iran is a really low bar
It was just brought up in the comment above that “women’s education isn’t even a debate in Iran in comparison to Pakistan”.
Pakistan is not Iran or Saudi. There is no religious police. Benazir was PM twice. Maryam Nawaz is CM of the most populous and most important province.
If a woman can be the head of government then perhaps Pakistan is not as backward as it is being made out to be?
Even female participation in sports.
BB was insanely popular in Pakistan; anything but a puppet
Benazir led the movement for the restoration of democracy against General Zia. She first became PM after General Zia’s death in 1988. I don’t think one can make the argument that this was something the Americans wanted.
Benazir had been groomed to be her father’s heir. For example, he took her with him for the signing of the Simla Agreement.
Sir, there is a ceasefire. You are not supposed to reply to me.
The urdu word ‘badan’ is even worse lol
I think the hindi word ‘shareer’ may have been better but it comes with its own problems in a Pakistani context.
They could have just come up with a new slogan.
The point is that “Jism” suggests sex. And obviously most Pakistanis are not “feminist”.
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