Open Thread: India, Israel, US & Iran

What is going on? We haven’t been following the Middle East for the past month and a half. India-US relations seem to be shakier?

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Kabir
1 month ago

Trump promises the US will ‘take control’ of Iranian oil and gas markets as more strikes on Iran announced

https://www.dawn.com/live/iran-israel-war#2006898

“At some point in the not-too-distant future, we will be taking Kharg Island, and other oil infrastructure points, and assume total control of their Oil and Gas Markets, much like we have with Venezuela,” he adds in a post on Truth Social.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago

The Drumpf administration has bungled a lot of things, and the structural damage done to US-India policy is …non-trivial to say the least.

I do not view the current situation as too bad though, India has ‘weathered the storm’ without excessive damage for the most part, and the incoming administration is going to have to end up offering GoI a lot of olive branch sweeteners.

The newfound US-Pak …bonhomie, as manufactured and fake it might be, is a safety barrier against Munir getting too frisky in JnK or elsewhere in India. GoI, just by pretending to play along with ‘Track 2’ initiatives, can continue the status quo as the geo-economic and political realities continue to tilt in India’s favor.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago

This Egyptian Muslim girl (https://x.com/ReemAmirIbrahim/status/2064458073528291330) claimed ‘her ancestors’ built the pyramids, which has sparked a twitter war decrying her as an Arab. Whites, Jews, Black Africans and even Copts are up in arms.. but modern DNA proves her correct.. Muslims Egyptians are direct descendants of Ancient Egyptians which only slightly higher foriegn DNA than Copts.

This reminded me South Asian culture battles, where Indians keep denying direct genetic link that Pakistanis have with IVC and Vedic Hindu pioneers, which predated anything the Indians have in their own history.

Apparently, humans are all the same everywhere when you remove universalist religions like Islam & Christianity. They all devolve to ethnic tribalism since in the absence of a universal message, that is all that is left.

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S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

She is ‘Arab’ by linguistic identity but its not her ethnic origin. It’s like calling an Irishman Englishman. It’s still very surpising that even seemingly intelligent people make this mistake in treating various disparate groups as a single ethnic group just because they speak one language (and Arabic isn’t even one language)

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S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

How much did that effect genetic admixture of the native population? There may be areas where entire populations got replaced (this happens quite frequently in the neolithic and as late as the early Iron age (Steppe Aryans changing the genetics of North India).. but populations have generally stayed put in the Old world in the past 3000 years.

Modern Muslim Arab Egyptians are 80-85% directly related to Ancient Egyptians who built the pyramids, this is only slightly lower than Egyptian Copts at 90%.. which can be explained by Copts being more Endogamous than Muslims. The same dynamics plays out among Paletsinians.

Agni
Agni
1 month ago

I’m fed up of this never ending war. I hope Iran gives the US the bloody nose it deserves.

But for the Indian govt to issue a demarche to the US envoy is serious. Not sure how much the US thinks threats will have others bend. Its acting like a pirate in the Persian Gulf. Ammunition isn’t limitless and fatigue has already set it. This current nonsense is unsustainable.

Trump’s got Venezuela in his pocket and is now eyeing Iran to get a complete control over non-Russian oil. What a megalomaniac.

The petrodollar needs to collapse. But with the Gulf beholden to the Yanks, not sure how it can happen unless BRICS does something for alternate currency. And the Gulf countries need to unite and throw the US out of their land. Maybe then it might work.

https://www.npr.org/2026/05/06/nx-s1-5800887/how-the-petrodollar-regime-came-to-be-and-what-losing-it-would-mean-for-the-u-s

Bhumiputra
Bhumiputra
1 month ago
Reply to  Agni

it is a weasly worded demarche. That weasely mea spokesperson even gave justification that 2 of the vessels being under sanctions. One of the UAE companies has contradicted that it was under sanctions. These were not UN sanctions btw and most sanctioned ships face onboarding/seizure and not direct missile hits on the pretext of AIS being turned off. India’s MEA and MOD are institutionally captured :-(.
If ever people had doubts on how few thousand brits conquered and ruled the sub-continent we are seeing a live replay.

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  Bhumiputra

That is just so disappointing 🙁

And couldn’t agree more on your last point…

YYZ
YYZ
1 month ago

It should open the eyes of all the BJP RSS types who want to cozy up to Americans.

There will be a big terrorist attack in India within 6 months which will make Pahalgam look acceptable. Let’s see if Modi bends in front of his American masters again.

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YYZ
YYZ
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Do I have to spell it for you?

US rewarded Pakistan after the last attack. What’s stopping Pakistanis from doing it again? Infact they already tried but security agencies were lucky.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  YYZ

The Americans in general do not like or respect Indians, they never have and future is not likely to change their opinions. I have said this before (and many people were offended and cited statistics that this wasn’t the case) but one needs to have a good understanding of American society and politics to see it. The recent anti-India hate campaign is proof of this. Indians also do not have the ‘chaaplosy’ (diplomacy) to woo the Americans to their side.

They would have never targeted a Chinese vessel like this.

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YYZ
YYZ
1 month ago
Reply to  S Qureishi

> The Americans in general do not like or respect Indians, they never have and future is not likely to change their opinions

Preach brother. If anyone hates Indians more than Islamists, its the Americans. I have a theory about it but this site is probably not ready to hear the truth yet.

YYZ
YYZ
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Most people here don’t understand that victory in war is a political tool to serve national interests. They can’t think think beyond tactical military victories; they are easily convinced that India has won all wars against Pakistan; they can’t even make a comparison of current state of things with their own historical wars!

This is not an open-minded group.

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S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

No they dont like Muslims either. Their relationship with Muslim countries is also very transactional. It was always stupid of GCC countries to actually think that they could buy their way into security.

El Khawaja
1 month ago

The world cup kicked off today in North America and while south Asian countries failed to qualify yet again – Pakistan and the city of Sialkot in particular are doing south Asia proud again by manufacturing and supplying official match day balls. Pakistan has been making official match day balls for every fifa world cup since 1982. The Sialkot-Gujranwala area is a major global player and regional leader in sporting equipment manufacturing.

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El Khawaja
1 month ago
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Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  El Khawaja

Yes, from Sialkot. My mother was born and grew up there.

My grandfather was a lawyer there. Later, he moved to Lahore because he hoped to become a judge.

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S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago
Reply to  El Khawaja

I thnk this is all good, but I would rather have our team kick all those balls than get our balls kicked around.

Hopefully someone comptent takes charge of PFF, with a 48 team worldcup format, we have a good chance to make it if the govt really makes it a goal.

BombayBadshah
BombayBadshah
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I think some of the teams have Indian cheerleaders doing Indian dances.

I think Punjab has them doing bhangra.

YYZ
YYZ
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The best leather boots are made in India. I own hand welted boots from renowned Spanish and Japanese brands and my Bridlens are comparable in every way except price.

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Talking about shoes reminds me that Kolkata is still known for leather goods. Of course Shantiniketan is well known.

There was a very interesting documentary on the Chinese community in Kolkata traditionally involved in the leather and tanneries business.

https://youtu.be/ChKQvlhQ9d8?si=_HMmhcHVkHwJLzj4

Kabir
1 month ago

“Review: In ‘Main Vaapas Aaunga’, to love is to remember and to remember is to love”

By Nandini Ramnath

https://scroll.in/reel/1093401/review-in-main-vaapas-aaunga-to-love-is-to-remember-and-to-remember-is-to-love

Kabir
1 month ago

“A new book follows the figure of the yogini from ancient stone carvings to foreign museums”

By Irwin Allan Sealy

https://scroll.in/article/1093281/a-new-book-follows-the-figure-of-the-yogini-from-ancient-stone-carvings-to-foreign-museums

Kabir
1 month ago

“Can Tourism Become the Nuclear Deterrent in Kashmir?-II”

By Rao Farman Ali

https://kashmirtimes.com/opinion/comment-articles/can-tourism-become-the-nuclear-deterrent-in-kashmir-2

Kabir
1 month ago

In case anyone is interested, Himal Southasian is hosting a conversation with acclaimed Hindi-Urdu translator Rakhshanda Jalil on writing across languages on June 17 at 7 PM IST. This is part of Himal Fiction Fest.

The link to register is:

https://us06web.zoom.us/meeting/register/NKALuwbQSbSZ917N1WusNw?ref=himalmag.com#/registration

Kabir
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes

Kabir
1 month ago

“What Explains the ‘Rise’ of the Ottomans?”

By Doga Ozturk

https://ottomanencounters.substack.com/p/what-explains-the-rise-of-the-ottomans?

Kabir
1 month ago

“What a Time! What a Creature!” (a translation of a Tamil short story by G Nagarajan)

By Ashik Kahina

https://www.himalmag.com/what-a-time-what-a-creature-himal-fiction-fest-2026

The translator is a PhD student in the South Asian Studies department at Harvard.

BombayBadshah
BombayBadshah
1 month ago

A Pakistani who understands the huge gap between India and Pakistan.

I feel jealous of India when I see free Google student programs there? Benazir income support ki jagh yahn p kyu nahi invest kia ja raha?

https://x.com/PaataNahiYar/status/2065756389696524593

BombayBadshah
BombayBadshah
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I will do a bigger post soon. Just gotten busy with other stuff.

Last edited 1 month ago by Bombay Badshah
0M-3
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I actually wanted to do a smaller article on the Indus Waters Treaty and what the future of it might be. But honestly I’m trying to cover all the bases on it and I feel like its going to get lengthy.

Last edited 1 month ago by 0M-3
Kabir
1 month ago

“Izzat Majeed:Life, music and legacy”

By Tahir Kamran

https://www.dawn.com/news/amp/2007640

Izzat’s mother, Mrs Seeta Majeed, came from a prominent Indian family, and carried within her the quiet gravity of a life that had crossed borders both geographic and forbidden. Her union with Mian Abdul Majeed, an interfaith love that defied the cautious architecture of its time, became the first bridge for Izzat between faiths and cultures. The Seeta Majeed Building at the Beaconhouse National University stands as a testament to Izzat’s love for his mother. Built through his sponsorship, it was established to foster liberal arts education in Lahore and beyond.

And:

Under his guidance, Sachal became a rare meeting place between South Asian classical traditions and Western jazz, as though raag and improvisation had finally recognised each other as distant relatives. Izzat often understood these forms not as opposites but as twin grammars of longing, one disciplined by centuries, the other by spontaneity, both circling the same ineffable centre. With collaborations spanning artists such as Wynton Marsalis and performances from Lincoln Centre to Royal Albert Hall, Sachal’s sound traveled outward, but its emotional origin remained rooted in Lahore’s densely layered cultural soil.

Kabir
1 month ago

” ‘Seeking Allah’s Hierarchy’: Local politics, economic relations, and ‘caste’ among Malabar Muslims”

By Muneeb Yousuf

https://scroll.in/article/1093199/seeking-allahs-hierarchy-local-politics-economic-relations-and-caste-among-malabar-muslims

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Not really. Asabiyyah is a good thing when the unity is for progress, not when it creates a regressive monoculture within a multicultural space. It ends up dividing instead of uniting. This is true not just in India but the world over.

k jayas
1 month ago

https://www.facebook.com/share/1LSZcWpBva/

Kalavai venkat has been writing on sikhs. the following link he writes about kushwant SINGH, bhindranwale, complicity of ordinary sikhs etc.
In a previous piece, he had written about the attitude of the Sikh jathas towards Hindu refugees from Lahore.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

this ……is laughable, in the context of India and the pedestal that sikhs have historically been placed on. And continue to do so.

k jayas
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Maulana israr Ahmed has warned Pakistanis of rejoicing India’s discomfort with sikhs. He says, if they get power they will take all their previous cities. It seems ranjitsingh used to tie his horses on Lahore’s jumma masjid.
https://youtube.com/shorts/REl_kAgRwQs?si=cLGueBwvBSMGkMMM

Agni
Editor
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

What makes you say that? If anything it was the Sikhs and their gurus who bore the brunt of the fanaticism of Aurangzeb amongst others. Guru Gobind Singh whose young sons were walled alive and Guru Tegh Bahadur who was decapitated by the Mughals.

k jayas
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Ayyo, israr Ahmed ‘s apprehension is very real. Kps gill had said in the 80s, that till india got independence, Sikh gurudwaras were blarring anti Muslim propaganda. A week after independence they were blaming the Hindus.

Kabir
1 month ago

Trump blames Israel for delay in peace deal with Iran.

https://www.dawn.com/live/iran-israel-war#2007813

“It shook it up. It delayed the signing by a few hours. It was supposed to be now. Now it is scheduled for a few hours from now,” Trump said in a phone call to the Axios news outlet.

Trump fumed at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the attack on Beirut, saying, “It is so bad — I couldn’t believe it. An hour before we are supposed to sign the deal.”

Brown Pundits
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