Pakistan is the Israel of the Subcontinent

A Brown Pundits Precedent Post

I. The Ideology Before the Nation

Pakistan has a birth certificate: a 1933 pamphlet by Choudhry Rahmat Ali. Israel has the Basel Programme of 1897. Both nations emerged not from an ancient territorial consciousness but from an ideological project; one that required, as its sustaining premise, the claim that a religious minority could not coexist within a pluralist polity. This is not a slur; it is the historical record.

What makes both nations structurally similar is that their nationalism is grievance-generative by design. Israel requires the Palestinian question; Pakistan requires Kashmir. Without the wound, the ideology loses its cohering force. This is why, as Kabir inadvertently demonstrates in thread after thread, Kashmir is not merely a territorial dispute for Pakistan; it is an existential necessity. Indian nationalism has no equivalent. India does not need Kashmir to know what it is. Pakistan does.

II. Organic vs. Constructed Nationalism

Omar has made the point that durable nationalism must be organic; rooted in geography, language, ethnicity, or long civilisational memory. Bangladesh is a useful comparison: Bengali Muslim nationalism is at least tethered to a linguistic and territorial reality. The Bengalis of East Pakistan had a mother tongue, a delta, a literary tradition. When Pakistan tried to impose Urdu on them, they revolted; because Bengali identity had roots.

Pakistan’s tragedy is that Urdu itself is borrowed. It is a prestige creole, Persianised, Arabicised North Indian court language, that is the mother tongue of perhaps 7% of Pakistan’s population (the Muhajir elite but Urdu had admittedly very deep roots in Lahore). It was imposed as a national language precisely because it belonged to no one’s soil, and could therefore function as a neutral imperial medium. The irony is that Urdu is a derivative of Persian, and Persian, the language Pakistan’s nationalism effectively displaced, was the actual civilisational glue of the entire region from Kabul to Lucknow. In the Golestan framework, Persian would resume its natural role as the prestige link language. Pakistan’s nationalism requires its absence.

III. A Core-Periphery Imperial Topology

Pakistan’s internal ethnic hierarchy maps onto a postcolonial consolidation logic that runs north-to-south. The Punjabi demographic and the Muhajir cultural elite struck a founding bargain: Punjab would provide the bodies (the Army) and the Muhajirs would provide the ideology (Urdu, Islamic nationalism, bureaucratic culture). The Pashtuns were incorporated as martial auxiliaries; valorised for their masculinity and perceived fairness, cast as Pakistan’s romantic frontier, the Neo-Scythians of the subcontinent. The Sindhis and Balochs, the peoples of the south and west, were the residual; absorbed, administered, and when necessary, suppressed.

This is not settler colonialism in the Algeria or Palestine sense; Punjabis are indigenous to the same macro-region, and there is no clean metropole-to-colony pipeline. It is something subtler and in some ways more durable: a core-periphery imperial structure in which the northern peoples set the cultural, military, and administrative terms, and the southern peoples pay the price. Baloch resistance is the tell. It is persistent, deep, and almost entirely invisible at Pakistan’s ideological centre. That is what core-periphery domination does: it makes the periphery’s bleeding a matter of internal security rather than national conscience.

IV. The Durand Line and the Two Pashtunistans

The Durand Line, whatever its colonial origins, is an effective geographic frontier because it follows the passes of the Hindu Kush. What is underappreciated is that it has also produced two distinct Pashtun civilisational orientations. The Pakistani Pashtun, Peshawari, Swati, the KP world, is substantially Indianised: Urdu-literate, integrated into the Pakistani state, increasingly embedded in the subcontinental economy and culture. The Afghan Pashtun is Iranianised: Dari-inflected, Khorasan-oriented, looking west and north rather than east. Dari and Urdu are both daughters of Persian, but they have diverged along exactly this fault line.

Afghanistan itself has 250 years of continuous state antecedents; Durrani, Barakzai, and before them the world of Nader Shah. It is where Central Asia meets Khorasan meets South Asia. It has a civilisational weight that Pakistan, at 77 years old and ideologically constructed, simply cannot match.

V. Chaos as Strategic Dividend, and Its Costs

Pakistan, like Israel, has benefited from regional instability in ways that are structurally logical even if morally troubling. A nuclearised, jihadist-adjacent Pakistan has extracted enormous rents, American, Saudi, Chinese, precisely because its dysfunction made it too dangerous to ignore. Israel’s strategic logic is similar: its neighbourhood’s fragmentation is its security.

The counterfactual for India is worth sitting with. A united India growing at 5-6% annually since 1947, compounding for eight decades,  would have restored subcontinental civilisational weight with a speed that would have surprised everyone, including India’s own elites. Pakistan’s existence did produce one unintended consequence for India: it forced the development of a serious military-industrial complex and a hardened strategic culture that a purely continental, non-threatened India might not have developed. Small mercies.

VI. Gharbzadegi and the Mirror

Iran is currently fighting its own version of this war; between the diaspora-inflected, West-toxicated urban classes (what Jalal Al-e Ahmad called Gharbzadegi, westoxification) and the Shia-inflected popular bedrock. This is not a simple good-vs-evil binary; it is a civilisational argument about what Iran is. Pakistan had a version of this argument and lost it in 1971 and again in the Zia years. The Westernised Pakistani liberal is a real figure, but the ideological state won.

The shock of seeing Reza Pahlavi deploy his streetlights, the “Immortals” brand, reaching for Achaemenid imagery in a bid to reclaim Iranian civilisational identity, illustrates how diaspora nationalism tends toward the theatrical. Whether it has roots in the soil is the question Al-e Ahmad would have asked. Garbzadgi, he argued, was not just cultural imitation but a hollowing-out of the capacity for self-understanding. Pakistan never resolved this. Iran is trying to.

VII. The Precedent

This post establishes the following as settled Brown Pundits perspective:

  1. Pakistan is an ideologically constructed state with no pre-modern territorial or ethnic substrate equivalent to Iran, Afghanistan, or India. This is not an insult; it is a historical description.
  2. Pakistani nationalism requires an external wound (Kashmir) to maintain internal coherence; a structural feature it shares with Zionism.
  3. The Muhajir-Punjabi founding bargain produced a de facto settler colonial hierarchy over Sindhi and Baloch populations.
  4. Urdu’s displacement of Persian as the regional prestige language was a British political choice, not a civilisational inevitability.
  5. The Durand Line, whatever its origins, has produced two meaningfully distinct Pashtun civilisational orientations.

Comments relitigating whether India and Pakistan were “created at the same time” (outside of this thread) and therefore equivalent will be deleted. The genealogy of ideas matters more than the calendar of partitions.

VIII. Pakistan’s Other Exemption; The Iranian Silence

There is a live case study that illustrates the Pakistan-as-strategic-ambiguity thesis with unusual clarity.

Sixteen days into the US-Israel war on Iran, Tehran has struck Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Jordan, Turkey, and Cyprus. It has threatened countries as peripheral as South Korea and the United Kingdom. It has not fired a single missile at Pakistan; a country that shares a 900-kilometre border with Iran, has US reconnaissance assets on its soil, has formally invoked a mutual defence pact with Iran’s principal Gulf rival, and has coordinated its Army Chief’s visit to Riyadh explicitly within that pact’s framework.

The silence is not mercy. It is strategy.

Pakistan sits at the intersection of every interest Iran cannot afford to damage. China’s $62 billion CPEC investment terminates at Gwadar, 170 kilometres from Iran’s own port of Chabahar. China purchases over 80% of Iran’s oil exports. Attacking Pakistan means attacking the endpoint of China’s most consequential strategic infrastructure project, and Iran will not bite the hand that keeps its war economy alive. There is a further analytical hypothesis, unconfirmed but seriously discussed, that the Balochistan corridor may function as a supply adjacency for Iranian logistics precisely because of its CPEC infrastructure and its border with Iran’s Sistan-Balochistan province.

Beyond China, Pakistan’s studied neutrality is itself a strategic asset for Tehran. Islamabad has simultaneously condemned the US-Israel strikes on Iran, assured Riyadh of its loyalty under the SMDA, managed violent pro-Iran Shia protests in its own cities, and evacuated tens of thousands of Pakistani nationals from Iranian territory. This is not confusion; it is a performance of indispensability. Forcing Pakistan to choose sides would collapse that performance and drive Islamabad fully into the Saudi-American orbit. Iran’s silence is the price of keeping Pakistan’s ambiguity intact.

This is, in miniature, the Israel parallel again. Israel feeds on the clarity of enemies; Pakistan thrives in the fog of multiple patrons. Both are ideological states that have learned to monetise their strategic position; Israel through American dependency, Pakistan through competitive rent-extraction from China, Saudi Arabia, and the Gulf simultaneously. The difference is that Israel’s rents come with a blanket American non-conditional existential guarantee (Israel can do no wrong). Pakistan’s come with conditions, and those conditions are now being tested in real time.

The Iranian silence toward Pakistan is, in the end, the highest compliment a realist power can pay: you are too useful to punish.

IX. A Final Note on Afghanistan’s Anti-Taliban Leadership

The Afghan leaders organically aligned with a pluralist, non-Taliban Afghanistan; Ahmad Shah Massoud, Hamid Karzai in his transitional role, and Ahmad Massoud leading the National Resistance Front today, are, without exception, hostile to Pakistani ISI policy. This is not coincidental. Pakistan backed Hekmatyar, then the Taliban, then looked away as the Taliban bit the hand that fed it. Massoud senior warned Pakistan explicitly that the Taliban would consume it. He was assassinated two days before 9/11. His son fights on from the Panjshir. Karzai stayed in Kabul when everyone else fled.

The pattern holds: every Afghan leader who represented something older and more rooted than ideological Islam ended up, sooner or later, in opposition to Islamabad. Pakistan needed Afghanistan chaotic. Chaos, again, is the point.

X. How to Use a Precedent Thread

Brown Pundits is increasingly ungovernable by conventional moderation. A Kashmir thread in the middle of a world war generates 215 comments; an excellent post on civilisational architecture gets three. Active micromanagement is neither possible nor desirable.

The precedent thread system exists as a self-regulating mechanism for the commentariat itself. BP’s comment section has long polarised into two rough factions, the Saffron and the Crescent, and as the threads get hotter, both sides will be tempted to relitigate settled questions endlessly. The precedent thread is the answer to that temptation.

The rule is simple: if a position has a precedent thread, the burden shifts. You don’t get to re-argue from first principles whether Pakistan is an ideologically constructed state, whether Urdu displaced Persian artificially, or whether Pakistani nationalism requires Kashmir as a wound. Those questions have a settled BP perspective. Link the precedent. Build from it or argue against it on its own terms. Don’t restart the war from zero in a thread about oil prices.

For the Saffroniate and the Crescentiate alike, this is actually an opportunity. The faction that better understands the precedent architecture will be better positioned to win arguments; not by volume but by precision. The Commentariat that learns to say “per the Pakistan precedent, section II” will outmanoeuvre the one still fighting about Partition in 2026.

Precedent threads are not censorship. They are institutional memory. Use them.

 

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RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
26 days ago

I don’t watch Indian “news” or any such TV “news” for that matter. The only bits of this Arnab fella I have seen are such excerpts, and this is the first time I’m seeing him…..not carry on like a frothing moron.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago

You are the real Dhurandhar, @X.T.M bhai.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

– You just disliked this? No comments? Hahahahaha

India is the “successor state” of British India remember.

Your Pak Studies revisionist history won’t fly here anymore.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

“Pak Studies”– I was educated entirely in the US.

I’ve never taken “Pak Studies’.

Don’t get personal with me.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Liar liar

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

You don’t have to believe me but the record will show that I lived in the US starting at age 6. All my schooling was done in the US.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes, sir.

Kabir
25 days ago

One can argue that Indian nationalism requires Pakistan as the external enemy just as Pakistani nationalism requires India as the external enemy. This is why you don’t see Indians getting as upset about Bangladesh as they do about Pakistan.

Hindu majoritarianism certainly requires Islam as the enemy within.

I think many Israelis (and Jews in general) would get quite upset at your contention that Israel didn’t emerge from “ancient territorial consciousness”. After all, Jews the world over reference Jerusalem in their prayers. There is no equivalent in Pakistan since the country itself is not linked to the holiest sites of Islam (which are in Saudi and in Jerusalem). I personally think that religious claims don’t give one the right to a nation-state but there are many Israelis who think otherwise.

On Iran and Pakistan:

Tehran has thanked Pakistan for the stance it has taken.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1982648

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

No, it doesn’t.

India existed before the word Pakistan even did (that is the point of this post).

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

You clearly don’t understand the concept of the nation-state.

I’m not going down this road with you again.

Carry on.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Precedent posts are definitely a good idea. We don’t need to constantly re-litigate the same topics.

Faisal Devji wrote a whole book about Pakistan as “Muslim Zion” so this idea has existed for a long time.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you about Israel being “constructed” but a lot of Zionists will point you to the Torah.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago

Watching Dhurandhar: The Revenge at midnight. Will come back and write the review at 5am in the morning lol.

@X.T.M: You are going this weekend?

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I solemnly resubscribe to High Signal Pledge and will not go personal.

I also apologize to for egregious comments about you and Pakistan.

Please restore my author rights bhai.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Arre yaar, I will be nice to him.

I don’t feel like trolling Pakistan anymore tbh after the WC win and Dhurandhar.

We have already won.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Please restore my authorship.

Bombay Badshah
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Thank you, jee. Damn excited.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I will accept BB’s apology.

However, I am not going to tolerate any personal comments.

formerly brown
formerly brown
25 days ago

Some points :
1. Urdu was not the court language, Persian was. Urdu (tent in Turkish ) was the language of the low level soldiers.
Even indigenous Muslim rulers like tipu did not use Urdu as a court language.
2. Jews were a prosecuted minority in west and east (dhimmies) .
3. Muslims wanting Pakistan were a minority ruling elite.
4. In general Pakistan is a north Indian obsession. Rest of India is not bothered.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I think your characterization is largely accurate, especially in the post-independence era. But in the 21st century, a rational argument can be made that the center of gravity for India is slowly shifting away from Punjab-Delhi. The current Prime Minister is from Central/Western India. The Finance Minister is South Indian, so is the public face of Indian foreign policy. The economic ‘heartland’ of India is already in western and southern India.

There is always a lag in perception, and historical overhangs take a while to retreat.

Pakistan does occupy a disproportionate space in Indian discussion of foreign policy, but that is a direct function of a 30+ year history of terrorism and overt military conflict.

Pakistanis won’t like to admit this, but not unlike Nepal, Bangladesh etc – India occupies a far more disprorportionate size in focus for Pakistan, than vice versa. Accepting this is anathema of course, because it means coming to terms with giving up the delusion of ‘equality’ between Pakistan and India.

A majority of the ‘fixation’ in Indian audiences on Pakistan – especially online, is of the schadenfreude kind – a perverse sense of enjoyment of all the difficulties that Pakistan finds itself embroiled in. This is also why the India-Pakistan cricket competition continues to be a eyeball draw – in spite of more than a decade of utterly one-sided domination by the Indian team.

Its all a bit silly really. But humans are gonna human. 🙂

Kabir
24 days ago

As someone who actually lives in Pakistan, Pakistanis don’t care about India at all. Unless our sovereignty is being violated or our water is being cut off.

Pakistan is the external enemy that Indian nationalism needs. It’s also an extension of the Muslim enemy within.

Last edited 24 days ago by Kabir
Bombay Badshah
24 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Lol no. Pakistan does not exist without India. Not the other way around.

That is literally the “precedent” @X.T.M is setting.

Kabir
24 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

Keep missing the point.

All nations need external enemies for internal cohesion. That enemy–for India– is Pakistan. For Pakistan, it’s obviously India.

India’s politicians constantly tell critics to “Go to Pakistan”.

“Schadenfreude” as RNJ says goes both ways. Pakistanis enjoy when India suffers. Indians enjoy when Pakistanis suffer. What’s good for one is bad for the other.

Kabir
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I don’t think Kashmir has anything to do with 1971. Pakistan’s position on Kashmir has been consistent since 1947.

I disagree with you on India not needing an “other”. I think–since 1947– the “other” has always been Pakistan. Both nations need to work through the Partition trauma.

Israel is a more complicated situation because Zionists see the land as given to them by God. Pakistanis don’t consider Pakistan holy in that way.

Even Indians have a notion of “Bharat Mata”. For Pakistanis, the land is just a nation-state.

Bombay Badshah
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

True, no one in India cares about Pakistan other than terrorism.

Even the Pakistan cricket team is now a non-entity in India with general fans finding it difficult to name some players. Compare this with the 80s and 90s.

India’s goals/aims are higher.

Kabir
24 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

Cricket isn’t the be all and end all.

Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

No one knows Pakistan beyond cricket.

The biggest superstars in Pakistan can walk the streets of India, no one would lift an eye.

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

“No one knows Pakistan beyond cricket”–

Once again you reveal your own ignorance.

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Abida Parveen, Mehdi Hassan, Madam Noor Jehan, Faiz Ahmed Faiz– all these people are Pakistani.

You are clearly limited to cricket and Bollywood. That doesn’t mean the rest of the world is.

Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Iran has oil.

Pakistan is “strategic” in the same way North Korea is “strategic”. Location/security purposes. Not for anything else.

Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

.

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

Once again, you expose your own ignorance.

Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is globally renowned. His music is listened to across the world. So is Abida Parveen.

If you want more “pop cultural” figures: Ali Sethi, Fawad Khan etc.

You don’t need to constantly denigrate Pakistan.

Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Admin Note: calm down BB

Kabir
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I think the antipathy towards Pakistan in India goes back to 1947. But let’s agree to disagree.

It’s possible to be against a country while still appreciating the common culture. Certainly, that’s how many Pakistanis feel about India. Though the situation over the last decade has turned people off so much that they don’t even watch Bollywood.

We’d get along much better if Indians respected our sovereignty and territorial integrity and refrained from insulting Pakistan Army.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Respect for sovereignty, respect for the Pakistani nation state and its people cannot be held hostage or tied to demanding respect for an entity with a proven historical track record of undeniably terrible, illegal and immoral violence, both within and without their own borders.

Its like one can support justice for Palestine and Palestinians, without automatically having to support Hamas.

Kabir
24 days ago

@XTM:

Comparing Pak Fauj to Hamas is beyond the pale.

This is clearly trolling. And clearly anti-Pakistan.

Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Admin Note; this is provocative

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Comparing Pak Fauj to Hamas is provocative to say the least.

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

A similar comment about India would have been trashed immediately.

If we can compare Pak Fauj to Hamas can we compare Modi to Netanyahu?

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I’m not going down this road.

Suffice it to say I have serious doubts about the even handedness of “reasonableness”.

If I say that Modi’s strategy of “mowing the lawn” when it comes to Pakistan is essentially an Israeli strategy, that’s not going to go down well here.

I find comparisons of Pak Fauj to Hamas incredibly offensive. RNJ was just trying to be triggering.

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The thing is that Pakistan is not Palestine and India is not Israel.

Pakistan is a nuclear state. The “war” last May showed that Pakistan is quite capable of deterring India.

Say what one wants about Pakistan, Pak Fauj is incredibly competent when it comes to military matters.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir
formerly brown
formerly brown
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

a dhimmi is a second class citizen paying jazia for his protection.

formerly brown
formerly brown
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

the delhi centric view of india is changing with non gangetic hindus ruling india. already more details of cholas and vijayanagar kings, Shivaji are getting included in central text books.
in a decade things will evenout.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  formerly brown

Urdu was the court language towards the end of the Mughal Empire. Bahadur Shah Zafar wrote poetry in Urdu.

I don’t agree with XTM about Persian. Even Urdu is seen as a foreign language by many Pakistanis (especially ethnic nationalists). Persian actually is a foreign language with a completely different grammatical structure.

Agree that Pakistan is a North Indian obsession. South Indians (mostly) didn’t go through the trauma of Partition so they’re not that psychologically bothered by Pakistan.

In Pakistan, India is a Punjabi obsession. I don’t think anyone else really cares.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

The British were the ones that promoted Urdu the most because they deemed it as a lingua franca of India, and rightly so, because by the mid 19th century, Urdu was a far more popular language than Farsi.

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

No, Urdu which the British called Hindstani was made the official langauge of most North Indian provinces. Later, Urdu/Hindustani in Devanagari (called Hindi) was also given co-official status from 1867 onwards. English was not used widely until the 20th century once the Brown Sahabs were ready to assume some delegated power.

Kabir
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

According to Google, it was the British that replaced Persian with Urdu as the official language of the Punjab.

https://www.quora.com/Was-the-Urdu-language-really-imposed-on-Pakistani-Punjab-before-and-after-partition-by-the-British-Raj-and-the-Pakistani-government

S Qureishi
S Qureishi
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

1837 was when the British replaced Persian to Urdu (not English). English was used by EIC officials but it was not official (as it the munshis, patwaris and qazis were not required to use it since not many locals knew it

RecoveringNewsJunkie
25 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

A rare moment of agreement! 🙂

Persian in ‘Hindustan’ …. was. Centuries ago. Its moment has passed.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

I have south Indian colleagues – Kannadigas, Telugu, Tamil – with extremely strong antipathy towards Pakistan. Some of them are Modi supporters to a surprisingly strong intensity.

The 30 years history of Pakistani ‘jihad of a thousand cuts’ has burned a lot of bridges for Pakistanis in India. And that’s not a ‘North Indian’ thing.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Honestly, I wouldn’t know if they are ‘Bram’ or not.

TN also has a strong …anti-BJP sentiment – I think this is more due to the strength of the regional parties and ‘internal’ domestic politics, plus the whole anti-Hindi language sentiment.

Last edited 24 days ago by RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Sorry, but I’d hard disagree. So many Telugus that I interact with – across the age spectrum btw, are strong Modi supporters. I’m not going to be so gauche as to ask the ‘caste’ of my Tamil friends, but I think sometimes one …overdoes the stereotyping in search of a theory that fits.

Kabir
24 days ago

Tulsi Gabbard says Pakistani missiles are a “significant threat” to the US homeland.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1983558/pakistan-missiles-significant-threat-to-us-gabbard

Mr Nawaz argued that most public assessments placed the range of Pakistan’s Shaheen-III missile at less than 2,800 kilometres and that Islamabad has maintained its nuclear programme is aimed solely at deterring India. “There is no reason for Pakistan to target the United States or any other country outside South Asia. Such assessments undermine the budding US-Pakistan relationship,” he said.

“It’s a significant comment, given that the current administration has been fairly quiet on the Pakistan nuclear weapons issue and has generally projected positivity in its messaging on Pakistan,” noted US-based scholar Michael Kugelman.

Kabir
24 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

“Gabbard’s missile claim ‘not grounded in strategic reality’, says former foreign minister”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1983677/gabbards-missile-claim-not-grounded-in-strategic-reality-says-former-foreign-minister

Former caretaker foreign minister Jalil Abbas Jilani on Thursday dismissed a statement made by US Dire­ctor of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard over Pakistan’s missile capabilities posing a threat to the United States.

In a post on X, the former foreign minister maintained that the assertion that the “US Homeland is within range of Pakistan’s nuclear/con missiles is not grounded in strategic reality”.

He said that Pakistan’s nuclear doctrine was “India-specific, aimed at maintaining credible deterrence in South Asia, not projecting power globally”.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

at the end of the day, does the world trust Pakistan with its nukes.

Outside of Pakistan, I think its near consensus.

Kabir
24 days ago

Why on earth would Pakistan want to hit the US mainland?

Our defense is against India.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Concern and strategic planning is not about ‘intent’ as it exists today. Its about capability and potential intent.

Pakistan’s …Islamist sympathies are not exactly a secret. It doesn’t even recognize Israel’s right to exist. And in the 1990s there was coup attempt by a radical fundamentalist colonel, I forget his name, Abbasi? something?.

I know its something that will have you squirming, but for the rest of the world, control of Pakistani nukes falling into the hands of a hard-right Islamic dictator is a realistic nightmare scenario with non-trivial probability.

How far fetched is a 1979 style Islamic revolution in Pakistan, especially if it was aided by a significant chunk of PakMil? Suddenly those nukes and missile capabilities morph into a very real and present danger, and for folks beyond just India.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
24 days ago

It was Abbasi apparently, among others. See attached Google summary…

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Kabir
24 days ago

Pak Fauj will never allow an Islamic Revolution. Pak Fauj has always been allied with the US.

You clearly live in a dream world.

I continue to note your anti-Pakistan and anti Pak Fauj posture.

And then you wonder why I’ve banned you from my threads? I do not tolerate one word against Pak Fauj.

Last edited 24 days ago by Kabir
Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yeah, but Pak Fauj didn’t want 1971 as well.

The world doesn’t work the way Pak Fauj wants.

And before you retort with the atami takaat reply.

How are you going to use nukes in an internal coup?

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  Bombay Badshah

If you know anything about Pakistan (which you clearly don’t), Pak Fauj is never going to allow mullahs to take over.

Bombay Badshah
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

Not talking about mullahs but mullah influenced fauj. An internal division within.

formerly brown
formerly brown
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

mullahs taking over is better. they have a clear vision, like Iran, Afghanistan.
Generals like zia and munir muddle the picture. They pick and choose from the Islamic basket making the issue strange cross

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  formerly brown

Mullahs taking over is not “better”. They would force women to wear hijab and further restrict the rights of others.

Pak Fauj lives in the modern world.

RecoveringNewsJunkie
23 days ago
Reply to  Kabir

How is any of what I wrote “anti-Pakistan”? This is quite an unfair characterization, and inaccurate.

You are getting defensive because its difficult for you to counter my perspective.

Kabir
23 days ago

You may think you’re not anti-Pakistan. I don’t care what you think.

You have been abusive towards me and my country on multiple occasions. Comparing Pak Fauj to Hamas is absolutely disgusting.

When I point out that the founders of RSS were inspired by European fascism, you lose your shit. Do not play this game with me. You know very well how inappropriate it is to compare Pak Fauj to a terrorist group.

I don’t want to deal with you anymore.

Last edited 23 days ago by Kabir
formerly brown
formerly brown
23 days ago

also what was the need to cancel the parade? After all how much is saved?

Kabir
23 days ago
Reply to  formerly brown

I think we are supposed to be enacting austerity measures due to the ongoing Iran war.

We have been told to celebrate Pakistan Day with simplicity.

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