I can see BP Open Thread has exploded into a flame war about Pakistani Hindus vs Indian Muslims.
I thought I would share my experience. The moment I go to India; I subconsciously de-Muslimfy. Indians & Hindus are just not comfortable and since I’m the non-confrontational type (only Kabir can role me up) I adapt accordingly.
When I’m with Pakistanis I tend to change colours accordingly however I have increasingly made my personal (and increasing) distaste of Islam known.
Pakistan is very riven with a class dynamic so it doesn’t matter what religion you are so as you belong to the right class. There are issues with Ahmadis.
Both societies have so much to do in improving minority rights but I do feel they mirror their ideological priors. Indians look at Muslims almost as a caste and Pakistanis internalise accordingly to class divisions (certain minorities belong to certain stratas).
As an aside I’m beginning to find the entire India-Pakistan antics to be a joke. I blame the Pakistanis for it.
I always used to get upset at why Middle Easterners use to look down at Pakistanis (even moreso than Indians). I finally understand and sympathise with it.
Pakistanis, with their mangled Arabic & Persian, and half-castes will bumble their way and talk of distant Arabian ancestors. They make no serious effort to steep themselves in the rich cultures of the Middle East (the Shahnameh was funded with monies from the Indus Valley).
They’re a bit of a disgrace and lack the civilisational coherence that Indians, Iranians or Arabs have.
I’m not a fan of what Indians have done to Urdu but I’m not an Indian so it’s really not my problem. But I find Pakistan to be a cultural dessert and that’s simply unacceptable.
Iran is anything but even after 40years of autocracy (thanks again to that very shit and disgusting cult called Islam that Pakistanis fall upon themselves to defend like idiots).
I actually have no real animus against Islam or the Prophet but when I see liberal Pakistanis attempting mental acrobatics to constantly justify anything done in their religion’s name, I realise it’s necessary to actually defame Islam and attack the source of this brainwashing.
So it’s very insulting to me as a half-Persian married to an Indian when Pakistanis, products of an half-backed and unimagined nation, claim parity with either nation.
It’s also very cheap to constantly point out the flaws of India vis a vis its own Muslim population as some sort of justification for Pakistan.
I’ll end with a short story from my friend S:
Her father was born in Karachi but the family were Gujarati (the gold trading caste). When Partition happened the Hindus were told they had 3 days to get out.
Because her grandfather was secretary of the community he waited until the whole community left Karachi. As the family of 12 (my friends father was the oldest of 10 siblings) were getting ready to leave; some marauders came into their house and told them their lives would be spared but they had to leave immediately.
This family left with only their clothes and departed for Bombay. They were upper middle class in Karachi but had to start again in Bombay. My friend’s father, who was 17 at the time and was a topper destined for medicine/engineering, left school to become a street hawker.
The story has a happy ending; the grandfather’s American company had an office in Bombay which hired both men but essentially they spent the rest of their lives building over again and settling the siblings. My friend’s father who was academically inclined never completed his school post Karachi and always pined to have studied more.
The reason I relay this story is that it’s not necessarily a traumatic Partition one but that the human cost of Partition extended to more than lives just lost but rather lives wasted in rebuilding and resettling.
The cost of Pakistan was this Partition and a little bit of contrition and humility by Pakistanis would go a very long way to heal the region.