83 Replies to “Open Thread – Brown Pundits”

  1. Howdy Modi is about to happen!

    My parents just brought it up unsolicited to me, they were very happy about it.

    1. There is a real schism in Indian american diaspora now. Not b/w republican and democrats leaning folks. But b/w “Modi is India” and “Indian-american relationship should be bigger than one man” . You all know who falls in what group.

      From morning i am enjoying the contortion of the second group.
      Slightly proud of what Indian american community have achieved, but muted in response to not endorse Modi.

      1. Well, Modi IS India. He inspires Indians like no other, and he has become a truly civilizational figure. People don’t have to like it. But if they don’t…then they never liked India, they just liked the India they had in their heads.

          1. HM isn’t indian tho and grew up in the states. why put so much weight on his opinions? (you actually LIVE in india and grew up there)

            i mean, he’s literally wrong from what i know, as the nehru-gandhi family had cults of personality which were even more extreme (especially indira?)

          2. I think its too much to ask from the NRIs to be objective on Modi where back home he has cast a hypnotic spell on Indians themselves. That’s should be disturbing in the first place, not what NRIs think/do.

            On the Nehru/Indira thing, yes there was a cult but that cult was not built from the ground (unlike Modi), but more of an afterglow of the Independence movement. If Nehru had a son , he would have been as cult-ish/demagogue like figure as Indira was. Sanjay Gandhi who was the original heir apparent of Indira already showed signs of that behavior.

            In India where even state level leader’s children enjoy the afterglow of their parents achievements for decades, national level leaders children basking and banking on the goodwill of their predecessors effort is not much of a stretch.

          3. “HM isn’t indian tho”

            Wat?

            “i mean, he’s literally wrong from what i know, as the nehru-gandhi family had cults of personality which were even more extreme”

            Those personality cults came from the first-mover advantage from independence, and later from pedigree. Modi’s persona was built from the ground up.

  2. In Mahabharata, Rigveda and Avesta are constantly mentioned inhabitants of Bharata – Race, Racyane (Rossiyane), Rusa (Rusen). This country has got one more, constantly mentioned name – Saint, Sacred or Light and in Sanskrit “Rusa” means “light”. It is said in Mahabharata that north from the country Pandyi which lies on the coasts of Varuna, country of Martyev is located. Land of Mordvins (Mortvins of Middle Ages) is located precisely to the north from modern Panda and Varona along coasts of rivers Moksha and Sura – nation, who speaks Finno-Ugric language with enormous amount of Russian, Iranian and Sanskrit words. Country between Yamuna, Sindh, Upadzhala and Para was called A-Vanti. Arabian travellers, Byzantine chroniclers and Russian legends called land of Vyatichi between Oka, Don, Upa and Para precisely like this – Vantit (A-Vantit). Mahabharata and Rigveda mention people Kuru and Kurukshetra (= Kursk field). Town Kursk (known by the famous ww2 battle where Germans lost 200 K soldiers and Russians 860 K people) is situated precisely in the centre of this field, where “The Tale of Igor’s Campaign” puts natives of Kursk-famous warriors. Warlike nation Krivi (=curved, wry in Serbian) is also mentioned in Rigveda. Leetonians s and Lithuanians call all Russian people “Krivi” by the name of Russian family Krivichi (i.e. Krivići), whose towns were Smolensk, Polock, Pskov, nowadays Tartu and Riga.

  3. @Razib:

    Have you been following Gyaneshwar Chaubey’s research? In the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIeiHsGUeEU, he says that R1a branches in India have unbroken lineage of at least 20k years, and that the split between Indian and European branches of R1a are at least 6k years old. The video is almost entirely in Hindi, but he has a conclusions slide (in English) at the 19:00 mark.

    What do you think of this?

      1. Could those just be R* samples just be subclades which have not yet been tested for or a hypothetical extremely rare R3?

    1. i like chaubey and respect a lot of his work (we’ve had courteous exchanges). would not be surprised if there are deep lineages in r1a in india…but that doesn’t mean that that’s ‘ancient structure’ that came into south asia. would be curious to compare to other regions. also, ancient DNA. at some point we need to discover OLD r1a in the region (we got old r1a from russia/e europe going back 4,000 years+)

      1. Hi @Razib

        Can you share your thoughts on Y-haplogroup R2/R2a and maternal haplogroup W? Curious to hear your thoughts on the origins of these haplogroups and when/how they arrived in the subcontinent?

        Thanks!

  4. Major protests outside Modi event.

    Similar to the UK, Muslims and Sikhs turned out in force, with Kashmir and Khalistan independence flags figuring prominently.

    1. Pakis won’t stop until their country breaks down further into 4 more parts rite? Why not focus on home grown terrorism and eradicate the Islamism that grew leaps and bounds in past 70+ years. Pakis drink poison hoping that India would die!! Guess what this is what’s expected of a country that patronizes schizophrenic and psychopathic leaders who re-wrote the history of the country to start from 1000 A.D when their own ancestors were raped, killed and sold as slaves by their arab masters in the central asian slave markets. My heart hurts to see the land of the vedas, sanskrit, panini, taxila continuously try and bring down the people who adopted the hindu/vedic culture and kept the only ‘pagan’ culture alive.

  5. Lol Howdy Modi happened in my city. Not sure how I feel about it. I am sympathetic to the broad ideas of both Trump and Modi but most likely won’t vote for them.

  6. “HM isn’t indian tho”

    Wat?

    you’re an NRI who didn’t grow up in india. that has to be a prior on everything u say, but your comments don’t always make that clear to those who don’t know.

    1. Correct. While I am fairly closely tied to my family (UP Brahmins), I am an NRI, and I have only spent about 2 years of my life (aggregated) total in India.

      Tbh, on a political level the NRIs mostly mirror their compatriots back home, controlling for region. The West is basically the foundry for Hindu nationalism. The Heartland leans nationalist. The South is more opposed to it. Bengal…enough said about them.

      Some people say that at baseline, the diaspora has a more pro-Modi tilt than our compatriots. Perhaps true, but I don’t know for sure.

      1. 😂😂😂

        Brahmans never miss an opportunity to name drop their caste unsolicited. Somebody ask HM how tall he is. I’d expect an answer along the lines of, “well, I’m of medium height in my family (UP Brahmans)”, so…”. Some caricatures are just so spot on.

        1. Lol, you don’t need to namedrop your caste. When it matters, people can tell from your last name. And when it doesn’t matter…well, you just look like an idiot if you flaunt it.

          Obviously online, I do not furnish my surname, so it’s different here.

      2. “Some people say that at baseline, the diaspora has a more pro-Modi tilt than our compatriots. Perhaps true, but I don’t know for sure.”

        This is probably true for the US diaspora, there was a bit more selective immigration in the past, tilted the indian american population more north than south or east, and more upper caste than reflects demographics of India. The real reason I suspect is due to the longtime presence of the VHP (RSS affiliate) in the US. Due to no real competition from any other Hindu organizations at the time, they were able to conduct religio-cultural programs (summer camps and etc.) targeting the children of Hindu immigrants instilling a more hindutva outlook among both the kids as well as the parents (there was a Obama era nominee who was blocked from a government position due to their family’s association with them.). We have whole generations of indian american VHP camp children who probably are still influenced by the connections they made through their early years.

        1. LOL, The Indian american community (if you take out the gujjus , who are honestly everywhere) is tilted MORE towards the south than the North. Its places like Canada and UK where immigrants from North have a larger presence. Indian immigrants anywhere are more upper caste , so its not US specific

          On the VHP thing, its not just a US phenomena , there is no competing Hindu organization in whole of N-India, so of course immigrants pops coming from the North will gravitate towards its overseas chapter (HSS) . Its only pops from the South/East who have limited exposure to RSS in India who gravitate towards other Hindu religious institution ( frankly even that’s breaking down, as more upper caste S-Indians joining Hindtuva bandwagon) . The S-Indian immigrants also set up more “plurastic” Hindu Organization
          while the N-Indians one set up HAF.

          1. “LOL, The Indian american community (if you take out the gujjus , who are honestly everywhere) is tilted MORE towards the south than the North.”

            LOL! Of COURSE I was including the gujjus for the north indian estimate.

            I feel in the past it was tilted more toward north (especially with the ever present gujjus), but I should of followed up with due to the computer techies immigrating, there are definitely more south indians these days (especially telugus, who probably displaced malayalees as the largest south indian group in the US).

  7. https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-hindi-cannot-colonize-the-south-because-it-lacks-value-1568994892294.html

    A good article on Hindi imposition (similar to Urdu on Bangladesh) by one of fav writers.

    Some gems

    ” Then Tamil politicians, who are actually actors, and Tamil actors, who are actually politicians, lamented “the imposition”, an English word that is extremely difficult for most Tamilians to pronounce.”

    ” As things stand, there is no such thing as an Indian nationalist; there are only North-Indian nationalists.”

    And the best part

    “A language does not conquer through war; it slowly encroaches through rewards”

    1. ” Then Tamil politicians, who are actually actors, and Tamil actors, who are actually politicians, lamented “the imposition”, an English word that is extremely difficult for most Tamilians to pronounce.”
      Tamils are an awesome ethnicity. They may lose their smart features if they mix too much with other indians. I think their birth rate is also low,sadly. İt would be cool if about 80% Tamils are given a separate country. They will make it extremely developed. The rest 20 % should stay in india to uplift india.

      1. “They may lose their smart features if they mix too much with other indians. ”

        Is this based on some sort of evidence?

        1. “Is this based on some sort of evidence?”

          Yes, smartness can be genetic. If people with higher smartness(i mean certain type of intelligence) mate A LOT with people with comparatively lower smartness, naturally the genes responsible for higher smartness will be lost gradually. And,smart indians(i am talking about education,science,technology,research etc.) are disproportionately South Indians(Tamils are an ideal example who are an ethnic minority). Geneticist Sir Razib Khan can confirm my claim.

          Btw, i am also assuming that much mixing is not happening.

    2. The article says “People who cannot pronounce “Kanimozhi” are trying to unify Indians.”.

      This is bit rich. Tamil has got a consonant , third letter in writing it தமிழ் , which is also used as last consonant in writing Kanimozhi. What the author says is non-Tamils don’t get the last letter ழ் properly. That is true. That is also true of large number of Tamil speakers , perhaps a majority , who can’t pronounce it. In some dialects it has disappeared. Some linguists say it is preserved in Brahmin Tamil and disappeared in NonBrahmin Tamil. Even though I don’t concur with this; suffice it to say large number of Tamil speakers don’t get the consonant which is supposed to define Tamil.
      Why blame non_Tamils who don’t get that letter

      1. I think it refers to the people pronouncing it as a ‘Z’ sound rather than a ‘L’ sound. You often get news reports from Delhi pronouncing it as Z which is always funny.

        It’s more an unawareness amongst people that there are 3 L sounds in ancient Dravidian languages, that have only survived in Malayalam and some conservative dialects of Tamil.

        1. “You often get news reports from Delhi pronouncing it as Z which is always funny”

          Are bhai, there is a Z in it, so what do you expect us (North Indians ) to do? We try.

          As an aside, by any chance are you tamil? Have never met anyone south of India with the name Karan.

          1. “Are bhai, there is a Z in it, so what do you expect us (North Indians ) to do? We try.”

            Yes totally understandable. It was stupid of Rajaji to choose ‘zh’ to represent the sound. Seeing as most Tamils can’t pronounce it properly themselves, just using a capitalised ‘L’ would have been better in my opinion.

            Yes Tamil.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karan_(actor)

          2. LOL, thanks i just came to know that even Arjun is a S-Indian name from the recent hit Telugu movie.

            Wasn;t there even an actor named Aryan in tamil movie industry, wonder how’s that name received in Periyar-land.

            😁😁😁😁😁

    3. From the piece cited by @Saurav

      “Even parents are not very appealing if they are not useful”

      [Trigger alert]
      Hahaha 😂
      Manu Joseph is spot on! Hindi is not a terribly useful language, though not as useless as Urdu.

      In any case, if N Indians want to impose their language, then the best thing to do is make more (and better) Hindi movies and infiltrate S Indian towns and cities. The sheer bulk of the population and economics take over after that. India is already an “ever closer Union” where the majority lies with the Hindi belt. Slow process but entropically irreversible in the long run if done well.
      [/Trigger alert]

      1. / Slow process but entropically irreversible in the long run if done well./
        Doubtful because Hindi is a poor second to English in higher and future orientated registers. Even Hindi Wikipedia lags behind other Indian languages. Russian could be imposed in the USSR and even before that, as Russian had been ‘developed ‘ by 19th century. Hindi is nowhere near such status or prestige.

      2. Agree with Vijay, but in North , hindi is the lingua fraca, so i dont think it can be ever replaced by English, irrespective of its useless-ness/prestige .

        I just feel all this has now come down just to prick South Indians by N-Indians, like banter among cousins. The only problem is the S-Indian cousin takes it a bit seriously, and then the N-Indian steps back saying , i was just kidding.

        1. Personally I am mildly positive to Hindi becoming national or even official language. The question is does Hindi , as things stand, has what it takes to replace English, now or even in 40 years. Or 50 years. Apart from government policies of carrot and stick, it needs a strong cultural confidence for all knowledge production, distribution and consumption to take place in the language; that Hindi lacks.

        2. LOL, I am a hindi speaking N-Indian and even i wouldn’t want hindi to be our national language (its sort of a defacto link language anyway).

          What we need is mother tongue+English, and hindi anyone can pick up if they want/ if there is need to.

          1. I dont think so, Hindi is still the 2nd language in all Non hindi N-Indian states. It does have good literture but that’s about it. So i would rather have English as the 2nd language in N-India, similar to (i think) in the south.

  8. @Razib:

    why put so much weight on his opinions?

    Sorry if it came off that that way. I was just trying to understand this phenomenon (of American residents subscribing to a personality cult) and HMB happened to be the only pro-Modi person to respond (thanks HMB!)

    As you pointed out, it was said about IG that “Indira is India and India is Indira”? So yeah, personality cults are nothing new in India, nor are they surprising in a poor and insecure country. I was trying to get into the minds of NRIs, not Indians.

    Why do I consider this important? Because it seems to me there’s a vicious feedback loop (some may consider it virtuous) where NRIs venerate Modi because they see him being venerated in India. Indians look at that and say “hey, Modi is so popular, and such a big man, even in America, so he must be doing everything right”, and resort to further deification. This leads to further celebration of the guy by Indian Americans, and so on….

    This kind of deification (which I consider more pernicious than even dynasty) effectively puts the deity’s actions beyond scrutiny. Which is OK when they deity’s actions don’t affect people (American residents bear no ill-consequences resulting from Modi’s misgovernment, but we who live in India do.)

    Also the fact that I find it very strange when people who benefit from liberal institutions (as exist in America) completely give that up when it comes to other countries. Incidentally, the British governed us the same way too. John Stuart Mill is on record saying that the rules and freedoms he was advocating for people in Britain ought not to be applied to people in India, who needed a mildly despotic rule to uplift them.

    1. Also worth clarifying that NRI has a specific meaning. Indian-Americans don’t necessarily come into its ambit. It comprises actual Indian citizens who are residents of other countries (obviously), and could possibly be broadened to former Indian citizens, settled abroad and naturalized into another citizenship. Even in that latter case, they ought to have at least had significant primary education in India to still be an NRI. Like, HMB, I am an American of Indian origin, although I have spent an unusual amount of time in India as an adult. My sense is that beyond a certain ethnic/racial identification, most Indians don’t consider the second gen diaspora as authentic or authoritative on cultural matters. Particularly the American diaspora which assimilates quite quickly to its host country, its a different matter with the Gulf and Malaysian diaspora.

    2. ” Because it seems to me there’s a vicious feedback loop”

      There is no feedback loop. Modi’s success abroad doesn’t change anything for him electorally @ India. And vice-versa. The people it affects are middle class who anyway vote for him blindly. The poor dont’ care/know, while the rich know enough to know foreign/NRI success means little.

      The NRIs celebrate because someone is taking pains to engage with them through consulates and all, in a long time. They will celebrate for all future Indian PMs , IF the the Indian Govt organizes all these events and all. Modi adds more vigor to that, due to his personality and mandate, but that’s how he is.

      1. I’ll have to disagree, at least on the rhetoric. I think middle-class India still looks up to our “phoren” cousins. Whether this translates to votes, or has any significant electoral impact, I can’t say.

        1. Dont know what we are disagreeing on , i myself said “The people it affects are middle class who anyway vote for him blindly.”

          Any which way, with a hardly-voting small middle class it does not matter which way they vote.

    1. I think you are reading too much into the whole “endorsing trump ” thing. Trump doesn’t care, Modi doesn’t, Democrats don’t and finally Indian Americans don’t (they would still go and vote democrats)

    2. Found the ethnic/elitist personal slur quite gratuitous. Haven’t we had enough twice born KP mai-baap leaders ?

      1. Lol. I did have a trigger warning in all fairness.

        He is a Gujju chaiwala at heart (with tacky tastes and an oversized ego) in my opinion, albeit a very capable politician too. Shouldn’t be too easily offended 🙂

        1. Haters gonna hate. As I said on Twitter, people want a politician they can identify with. For some, that’s Obama. For some, that’s Trump. For us, that’s Modi.

          The elitists can sneer and laugh, but ultimately they’re trapped in this world with us, and they better get used to it.

        2. The other thing i would add is Houston is perhaps one of the lesser gujju dominated cities unlike NJ and all. The desi diaspora consists of roughly even Indian and Pak origin folks. And within the Indian folks there is significant other ethnic folks, like Telugu etc. The guy who ran for the democratic party happened to be a Telugu guy.

          I would venture a guess that Modi rally in MSG few years back was more of a gujju affair then Houston was.

          1. “And within the Indian folks there is significant other ethnic folks, like Telugu etc. The guy who ran for the democratic party happened to be a Telugu guy.

            Telugu guy running on democratic ticket
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Preston_Kulkarni

            I could be wrong, but I don’t think this guy was Telugu, it’s a Marathi or possibly Kannadiga brahmin surname. His father is Indian, but his mother is white american. He was running in Sugar Land/Fort bend area, a very diverse area of Houston, with a high Asian including desi population. He was touted as the guy that would make Fort Bend flip from Red to Blue. He had a great background in government and was charismatic. A lot of effort was put into his campaign, he had very strong support from the democratic party, had door to door multi-language speaking volunteers and his republican opponent didn’t seem that charismatic or put in even any effort, it seemed like a sure thing…and he lost. On the other hand, Malayalees did well in this area, KP George and Julie Mathew both ran as democrats against white republican incumbents, with no support from the democratic party…and won.

            https://www.ntvhouston.com/2018/12/julie-mathew-makes-history-by-becoming-the-first-judge-from-south-asia-in-fort-bend-county/

            KP George’s position of “Fort Bend County Judge” despite its name is not a Legal/Criminal court position, but a more a political/government position. It is the most powerful position an Indian american has achieved (indian Americans have achieved “higher” positions but the power in them doesn’t equate).

            https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Indian-American-K-P-George-takes-historic-place-13498873.php

            Interesting quote from the article:

            “And still, to most political insiders, George’s election came as a surprise. “He was not someone on our radar,” said Gautam Raghavan, executive director of the Indian-American Impact Fund. “It wasn’t a race we engaged in. In hindsight, that’s a lesson for us: In some of these places with fast-shifting demographics, like the Texas suburbs, there are huge opportunities for us.”

            If there were opportunities in these Texas suburbs for democrats they didn’t realize, why did Sri Preston Kulkarni lose… and that with all the Democrat endorsement and resources… in the same Texas suburbs? I have my opinions, but some of these Democrat geniuses, even indian american, are in such disconnect.

    1. Well, this doesn’t indicate a diversity of opinion:

      “Kashmir illustrates how the Trump administration’s indifference to human rights issues offers carte blanche to leaders like Modi. American pushback has disappeared. Modi, who talked up India’s diversity in his speech, has no incentive to keep his Hindu nationalist base in check. That could prove dangerous as he fast-forwards his country.”

      But what IS significant about the article is the undercurrent of “Modi and Hindutva are here to stay.” Which is true. But it’s not something you would hear before.

      It does indicate a degree of resignation creeping into the enemy team. We’ve not won yet by a long shot, but we’re definitely in the ascendant.

  9. Unrelated to everything being discussed here (which is why I am bringing this up right now)- Does anyone know further specifications about Kostenki-12’s yDNA. In some places (such as Fu 2016) it is listed as C1* which is a bit hard to believe. I would have expected him to be C1a2 (specifically considering how he is pretty close to Sunghir samples in terms of his final location in space and time) or some other more recently defined C1 subclade than just C1*. Is it likely because of DNA damage/low coverage?

    1. I would be changing the wording of this Sereno’s (from Serendib) statement to looks original and to not sound as parroting. In any case they could not sustain a couple logical questions. But, such approach is heavily compensated by strong aggression, accompanied with frustration. Let ignore the lack of intellectual rigour and even more – the basic disrespect toward own ancestors. It would be very ‘weird’ (even ‘eccentric’ or ‘nonsense’) if Razib has published two identical lists of 25 rivers in the middle Russia and Mahabharata which I sent several times. I don’t want to push him, he maybe just does not want to alienate a (still) sizeable segment of his readers although, I would not be surprised, that he simply fears for his and the safety of his family. It is a grotesque that some try to be independent and impartial quasi scientists and autistic oip proponents in the same time.

  10. Mother-nature is wise and rational. It endows some people with good physical power, so that to be warriors and ploughmen, other people with dexterity, third ones-with special skills to do some laborious and delicate work, fourth ones with wisdom, i.e. with that magnificent inequality, without which one can’t create any culture.

    In connection with these essential peculiarities of people Vedic social structure of Slavic-Aryans has got three varnas: veduns (Brahmins), vityazy (Ksatriya) and vesya (Vaishyas).

    Veduns (prophets, brahmans, rahmans) are the souls of society, medium of the Truth and Rules. They live in saint groves. Vityazy (warriors, knights, fighters, Kshatriyas-from word ‘ksha’-thunder and ‘tri’-three, or raja-ancient Russian ‘ryadche’-tsar) are the heart of society, conductors of power of the Truth Law. Earlier they lived in citadels, kremlins, gate houses and moved along borders and counterbalanced two utmost powers of society-ecclesiastics and laymen. Vesya(peasants, i.e. taxed population, receptacle of law of social existence and ritual regulation.

    Among those three varnas there exists one more varna sudra-from word ‘sud’, i.e. convicted. They also called ‘smerdi’-from words ‘smert’, ’smerdit’ i.e. having evil-smelling body from wrong life style. Those people who don’t want to fulfil essential nature laws, written in Vedas. Earlier all ‘smerds’ were rejected from society because of the crimes, and still they live there.

    One Greek historian also divide Slavic-Aryans on varnas: ecclesiastics-shepherds, warriors and farmers. But these three varnas (in Sanskrit- ‘varna’ word means ‘colour’, which means subtle energy colour of person of his aura depending from the level of spiritual development) exist under names of different nations, notably” Volohov-Alan, Geates and Rugem). Let review these varnas.

    Volohi and Alani formed varna of ecclesiastics which included veduns, brahmans (inhabitants of Volga river region still call the upper mast of sail as ‘bram-top’i.e. tsar-sail, supreme sail) rahmans, who took only leading positions in the spiritual society of ancient Slavic-Aryans. Explorers know, that every Slavic-Aryan nation in different regions of Europe, had all three varnas…

    Reference about sinless life of bramans or rahmans in the chronicle of Nestor and in a collection of monk Efrosin (9th c) from Kirilo-Belozersk monastery. In apocryphal writing ‘Travelling of Zosima to rahmans ’, is told about rahmans as about model Christians….

  11. “you’re an NRI who didn’t grow up in india. that has to be a prior on everything u say, but your comments don’t always make that clear to those who don’t know.”

    Well said, and we all should keep in mind that an alternative meaning for the acronym NRI is “Never-Returning Indian”! 😉

  12. Modi’s position is also helped by the fact that left and liberal political space is entirely devoid of any personality with even the slightest of charisma and personal appeal. All we have as an alternative to Modi is Rahul Gandhi, and bluntly put, he is an uninspiring and insipid personality.

    Even though I find the “pappu” jokes flooded on whatapp channels by BJP’s IT cell very distasteful, the truth is that Rahul has not done anything remotely leader-like in his entire career. He looks lost and clueless against the juggernaut of Modi cult. He lacks original thinking, and instead takes his cues from American politics, which looks awkward and comical in Indian context. (Take his winking at Modi in parliament for example. It may look disarming and ice-breaking in america, but two bachelor guys winking at each other in India can only invite mirth.) His sudden newfound devotion for lord Shiva weeks before the election reeked of crass opportunism.

    Arvind Kejriwal shone briefly for a time, but seems to have lost the script now. In fact the only person who galvanized the left wing, however briefly, was the young JNU student Kanhaiyya. He deeply impressed everyone with his effortless and witty oratorical skills, and earnest and convincing manners. But he is destined to become a classic 15-minutes of fame guy, unless something more worthwhile comes from him…

    1. Kejriwal has the same bad ideas that Modi does on the economic front or on the role of government, so he wouldn’t have been much of an improvement. And Kanhaiya Kumar is a pukka Leftie; the less said about his views, the better.

      It’s not possible to have a worthwhile liberal opposition to Modi because liberalism doesn’t appeal to Indians. The craving for a godfather is too deeply embedded in the Indian psyche for that.

      1. Also Kejriwal was even much more of delusional syndrome than Modi. He has been ruling effectively India’s richest/urban state that too half of stuff being subsidized by central Govt. Given that he still struggles to even match the competency of Sheila Dikshit, i wonder how he would govern a middle of the road state.

        Also we should be carefull what we wish for. For all the left wing rhetoric Modi indulges, he is still economically the least left guy (current rate cuts to corporate) . In the last election essentially the choice was b/w a party giving 72K per year (Congress) vs 6k per year (BJP) to the poor people (as a freebie) .Kejriwal might have given 100k per year or something😀😀😀.

        In most elections the 72k guy wins, we were lucky that the 6k guy won, or else it would have been even bigger shit show.

  13. This children’s crusade against climate change with Greta leading is hilarious. Too bad global warming will not enslave them and make sure everyone comes to know its a horrible idea.

    1. Greta is a genuine leader while Malala seems to be a BBC creation. When not doing Downton Abbey, BBC creates real life drama and personalities like Malala. She has been living in the UK with police protection from other Pakistanis living in the country. Then she can issue statements against all and sundry except Pakistani govt or military, which first made her shooting possible and return impossible.

      I think the demands from a cruel adult world will take toll on her and she will be an ordinary person in 20 years, useless to BBC or Pak army

      1. Nice hat, very cool. I had very different perception about your image. Is this really you or your impersonator?

  14. Now this is what a real interview sounds like. One where the questions and answers don’t flow like catechism and where the interviewer doesn’t let his subject get away with BS and deficiencies in logic.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-times-columnist-roger-cohen-on-the-future-of-india

    (Don’t have to agree with every challenge the interviewer poses, but if the subject can’t effectively counter it, chances are he was BSing and deserved to be called out.)

    1. That was a excellent article by the New Yorker!
      Echoing your opinion, yes a great example of how an interview is conducted. Brings attentions to how lazy of a journalist Roger Cohen is, didn’t seem like he wanted to do anything deeper in his research than what the media marketing had been putting out from the Modi camp. it even looked like it was copied verbatim.

    2. The interviewer is facile with words as an armchair SJW while the interviewee has seen the hard edge of the world for many years and can make better assessment of people.

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