Asian Americans: Model Minority, POC or just a bad idea?

Razib Khan has a post up about Asian Americans and how they are perceieved/presented in American intellectual discourse.
Facts are important. But they can be inconvenient….. Today Quartz put up a piece, If Asian Americans saw white Americans the way white Americans see black Americans, which is not really about Asian Americans at all, but simply uses them as a prop, often in a mendacious manner. First, it gives a nod to the Asian American “Model Minority Myth,” stating that there is “perception that they are high achievers relative to other American ethnic groups.” Get it? There’s a perception. There’s a myth in some scholarly and political quarters that the model minority idea is a myth, founded mostly on assertion (e.g., just stating that it’s a false myth) and slicing and dicing the statistics to emphasize ways in which Asian Americans are disadvantaged in relation to non-Hispanic whites. For example, there is often a focus on the diversity among Asian Americans, ranging from affluent Indian Americans, to groups with more conventional socioeconomic profiles like Filipinos, and finally, those which are somewhat disadvantaged such the Hmong. This is to show that Asian Americans are not a model minority…some of them are struggling. But the logic is not applied to whites! Those who purport to debunk the myth of the model minority would not accede to debunking the idea of white privilege by pointing to the state of Appalachia, and rural white America more generally. Group averages for we, but not thee?


 And yet the Quartz piece engages in some interesting jujitsu by actually reporting the statistics of Asian American advantage vis-a-vis white Americans in the service of a broader agenda of putting whites in their place in relation to their critiques of black Americans. In particular it quotes Anil Dash as saying “If Asian Americans talked about white Americans the way whites talk about black folks, they’d bring back the Exclusion Act.”


This to me is really bizarre, and why I term the piece mendacious: Asian Americans do talk about white Americans the way whites talk about black folks. This sort of thing was a clear subtext of Amy Chua’s Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother. Many (most?) Asian American kids who grew up with immigrant parents were barraged with assertions about the disreputable character of their “American” (white) friends, and how it was important to keep on the straight & narrow. Immigrants from Asia often perceive white Americans to be sexually obsessed, lazy, and prone to a general amorality and fixation on short term hedonic interests. These are polite ways to condense the sort of attitude many Asian immigrants have toward the white American mainstream, which they worry will absorb and corrupt their children. Dash must know this, as he probably had immigrant parents, or was friends with people from immigrant backgrounds. Most white Americans don’t know this, partly because most white Americans don’t have non-white friends. But anyone from an Asian American background would be aware of the stereotypes and perceptions.


The tacit misrepresentation of Asian Americans here, not acknowledging that they do engage in the exact sort of behavior you are hypothetically positing they might engage in and so alienate white people, is not surprising. Asian Americans are often simply bit characters in a drama involving broader social and political streams which dominate the political landscape.,, 

Read the whole thing there..

I am posting this because I have often wondered why some Asian-American intellectuals (and more specifically, “South Asian” ones, since I am a little more familiar with them) are so committed to a model in which the model minority is a myth and Asian-Americans are “people of color”, standing shoulder to shoulder with African-Americans and Latinos in POC-solidarity against the oppressive rule of White privilege? I don’t mean to say that there is NO truth in any such model. But leaving the truth and untruth of the assertion aside for the moment.

Arundhati Roy

  
Arundhati Roy was born in Shillong, Meghalaya to a Keralite Syrian Christian mother and a Bengali Hindu father, a tea planter by profession.
She won the Booker Prize in 1997 for her first novel The God of Small Things. Her views on many issues has rubbed many Indians the Wrong way

Roy on Kashmir

Roy says Kashmir has never been an integral part of India- a historical fact as per her.
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Roy on Big Dams
Roy on Maoists
Roy on RSS
Roy on Taliban
Roy on Capitalism

Geopolitical Analysis is bunk

In so many ways I’ve been reading the various back-and-forths on the various conflicts of the world.

What has dawned on me that most opinions on society

Russell Brand is a disaster

We’re all hypocrites, after all hypocrisy is the thin line between our reality and ideals except that some of us are more hypocritical than others.

Thankfully the Establishment dislikes Russell Brand more than it does Nigel Farage. I don’t find either to have any leadership qualities, thankfully in our Constitutional Monarchy the Crown remains

Blasphemy meme devours it’s own. JJ, Aamir Liaqat and chickens coming home to roost…

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=757798050941853&fref=nf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WqY–1wYR8

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bws9j_maulana-tariq-jameel-gets-emotional-on-blasphemy-case-registered-against-junaid-jamshed_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bnggt_maulana-tariq-jameel-response-on-junaid-jamshed-s-controversial-remarks-on-bibi-aisha-r-a_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bk2gz_junaid-jamshed-apologizes-for-his-remarks-about-hazrat-ayesha_webcam

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bo3yc_dr-aamir-liaquat-fahash-remarks-against-junaid-jamshed-s-mother_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2book9_amir-liaquat-after-junaid-jamshed-telephoned-him-and-explained-his-position-on-controversial-remarks_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bogbg_junaid-jamshed-ko-galiya-denay-walay-amir-liaquat-ka-asli-chehra-daikhay_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2boa9h_mufti-naeem-s-statement-and-clarification-in-favour-of-junaid-jamshaid_news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2bohvk_%D9%85%D9%88%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%A7-%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%AF-%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A8-%D9%86%D9%82%D8%B4%D8%A8%D9%86%D8%AF%DB%8C-%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%B8%D9%84%DB%81-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%A7%D9%84%DB%8C-%DA%A9%DB%8C-%D8%B7%D8%B1%D9%81-%D8%B3%DB%92-%D8%A8%D8%B1%DB%8C%D9%84%D9%88%DB%8C%D9%88%DA%BA-%DA%A9%D9%88-%D9%85%D9%86%DB%81-%D8%AA%D9%88%DA%91-%D8%AC%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%A8_news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqpCZ3cgxvc (the original hadith)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2btf95_another-controversial-statement-by-junaid-jamshed_news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqpCZ3cgxvc (17 minute point, ahmed raza)

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x21i5p2_tableeghi-tariq-jameel-ka-latest-kufr-2014_shortfilms

Things Will Get Worse..

As everyone knows by now, the French magazine Charlie Hebdo was been attacked by Jihadist terrorists this morning. 12 people are dead. As of the time of writing, the terrorists are still at large (which tells you a lot about the difficulties even a well-prepared city faces in tackling such attacks. The French are hardly amateurs at counter-terrorism). My friend Abbas Reza, chief editor at 3quarksdaily, wrote

http://www.dawn.com/news/1155650

Salman Rushdie just tweeted:
Religion, a medieval form of unreason, when combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedoms. This religious totalitarianism has caused a deadly mutation in the heart of Islam and we see the tragic consequences in Paris today.
I stand with Charlie Hebdo, as we all must, to defend the art of satire, which has always been a force for liberty and against tyranny, dishonesty and stupidity.
‘Respect for religion’ has become a code phrase meaning ‘fear of religion’. Religions, like all other ideas, deserve criticism, satire, and, yes, our fearless disrespect.’
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de-propagandizing the Aryan invasion debate: a rebuttal to A. L. Chavda’s rebuttal

Sometimes you fall into things. Indian population genetics is not a major interest of mine that looms large, but I know a fair amount about the topic, and people seem to be looking to me to say something about recent developments. I have admitted that I am close to completing a major article in an Indian publication on the topic. It will in broad sketches resemble Tony Joseph’s piece in The Hindu, but there will be some differences. Because I am a geneticist with some knowledge of this topic I will avoid the minor errors which occur within the piece because the author is not a specialist (nor are the editors). Second, I’m going to take a less strident tone. Joseph’s piece read like a brief for the prosecution. But science is not a lawyerly endeavor. Being wrong is something scientists accept, embrace, and reject only in breach of their values, not as a matter of course.

As noted by readers this is an emotional topic. A friend informed me that Sanjeev Sanyal positively passed around the Swarajy piece which attacked my character by relying on social justice warrior and Leftist critiques. I tweeted at Sanjeev taking some objection to this behavior, as we had been friendly (I had dinner with him in New York City a few years back). Today I see that he unfollowed me on Twitter. Such is life (an Indian friend who is Facebook friends with Sanjeev apparently objected to his posting that article due to its attack on me, and he deleted that comment).

But I have to stand by what is true. So I’m going to respond to another piece,

Brown Pundits