105 thoughts on “Open Thread – Brown Pundits”

  1. Those who are following US politics: how is Ocasio-Cortez doing after Saikat Chakrabarti left?

  2. The Indian Air Force announced that, at the end of February, it accidentally shot down one of its helicopters during a skirmish with Pakistani fighter jets over a part of India-controlled Kashmir.

    Indian Air Force chief Rakesh Singh Baduria called the incident a “major mistake”. He added that the Air Force has completed its investigation and that proceedings have been initiated against two officers, AP reports.

    It all took place on February 27, killing six Air Force members. An Indian news agency then ground-to-air missile downed a Mi-17 spacecraft in Kashmir.

    1. the extra average Serbian related blood of Pakistanis makes them less error prone relative to their Indian counterparts 😉

      1. Not really. Bosniacs, for e.g. are genetically 100% Serbs, converted mostly during the 17-19 century. It seems that during this conversion, one part of their brain is removed. In this part is also the centre for history, because they are not interested in anything before the 6th c.AC, including bloodline. Even they still have some unconverted relatives, they don’t want to recognise that they were Serbs and accept far away, for e.g. Africans or Asians, as closer because they belong to the same movement. The removed brain part is supplanted by taqiyya as the movement’s top ethical norm. Because, the term ‘liberal’ used for some their species is an oxymoron. Bosniacs are known in the region as the dumbest group and there are thousands of jokes about them (I quoted some here in the past). In sum, your assertion that they are less error prone based on allegedly more Aryan blood is the most likely wrong.

        1. Btw what is “Taqiyya”? Is it some ancient serbian tribe? or some secret Aryan technology? 😮

          1. In a nutshell – Islam justifies lying if someone thinks that it is in the interest of islam. It means, you make a deal with someone, he gives you his word that he will fulfil his part and after that he changes his mind and does the opposite without any shame. Because, you simply cannot make any deal or contract, signed or verbal, because it will not be respected. Lying without any shame is a normal part of such kind of ethic. I haven’t seen anyone that had denounced taqiyya (or ‘jihad’ or ‘kill infidel’). Even if someone hypothetically does this, it would be worthless because he could retract any time. A logical consequence of this ethic is that the term ‘liberal’ in such system is an oxymoron.


          1. I guess, you are pretty recent here. Razib is an atheist (real, not only verbal as some others claim). As a geneticist he knows better than others who are so-called Indo-Europeans, i.e. Aryans, who are partially his ancestors as well. He has nothing to do with taqiyya. I am not against muslims, I can even understand (not justify!) the logic of jihad and ‘kill infidels’, especially ’77 virgins’ but I cannot comprehend the taqiyya.

  3. Oh, has Chakrabati left? That’s y perhaps Cortez only made noises abt Human rights in Kashmir, and didn;t ask for full secession from India

  4. malaysians have more muslim consciousness than indonesians. but overall they all hate chinese more than indians.

    1. sauarv:
      You have to tell us which of two is your favorite. I think they are both your favorites, so you tell us who is favorite-er?

      1. LOL, in a way i empathize with Mehdi. He is a western journalist and has the same blind spots regarding India that other western journalist have. So i think it makes sense (seeing what’s going on around the world) for him to be alarmist for Muslims in Kashmir, Assam and Modi-Trump etc.

  5. Amartya Sen shared similar sentiments in a recent interview. I chuckled when I read that he considers himself a hindu and then subsequently laughed during the interview. Despite him saying he edited a book on Hinduism his grandfather wrote, to me, it sounded more like he lays claim to the pluralism of Hinduism more than anything else about it, as an extension and rebuff of his western liberal ideology. But hey who knows for sure. I ain’t inside his head.

    1. I think he wrote a book on Hinduism himself, i could be wrong. One of my Bengali atheist/communist friend found it wonderful and true “Hinduism” (TBF he finds everything abt Sen wonderful)

      That’s the thing with India, each community is so large that they think what they imbibe is true Hinduism. To me the feeling has always been like how Arabs would look at other ethnicities and chuckle when other ethnicities would say they practice true Islam 😛

  6. reinforcement* not rebuff

    I think he is probably just agnostic/atheist like most intellectuals deep down.


    I was joking, hence the 😉

  7. https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/opinion-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-global-right-wing-11570185857918.html

    “The “left” is a low-stakes human hive of hearts on auto-pilot that sees the world as a human hive of victims. The “right” is a high-stakes pre-occupation with what is locally relevant. The “left” is a monoculture of a European idea; the “right” is culture. All elites are like parents—conservative at home, where the stakes are high, and liberal elsewhere, an abstract place that is not as important as home.”

  8. https://jacobinmag.com/2019/10/vinayak-damodar-savarkar-chaturvedi-hindutva-bjp-modi-hindu-nationalism

    Modi’s Philosopher

    “So, in a sense, Savarkar threatens to replace Gandhi as the father of the nation?

    I think that the worry for lots of people is that perhaps Savarkar is the ghost father of the nation! Perhaps India today isn’t the one that Gandhi envisioned, but is moving closer to the one envisioned by Savarkar. In many ways, Savarkar’s ideas can no longer be ignored.”

    1. I found it pretty interesting that Savarkar was well regarded by some prominent leftists.
      From the article.

      “To become a member of (Bhagat) Singh’s organization, the Hindustan Socialist Republican Association, he required individuals to read three books: one was The ABC of Communism, another was a book on the IRA, and the third book was The Life of Barrister Savarkar. “

      1. This was described in his biography by Vikram Sampath as well. But i think Singh died too young to see Savarkar turn to Hindutva. For even lesser demeanor, Singh had castigated his own mentor Lala Lajpat Rai who was an Arya Samaji (Singh own family was too, even though they were sikhs) .

        TBF all this Savarkar Hindutva turn was not *that* controversial considering that it was still a vanilla version of Jinnah’s politics in terms of scale and content.

        1. Lefties have demonised Savarkar. This is in keeping with Leftwing double standards. They set fairly narrow guard rails for Hindus. With Muslims they tend to be more broadminded. This is why Mishra can write approvingly of al-Afghani and Tariq Ali of the Taliban. But anything but utter and complete repudiation of Hinduism (or a leftwing whitewashing of it a la Babu Moshai Amartya Sen) and you are immediately beyond the pale.

          1. Well in the long run, it has already pushed the moderate to the right wing at least in N-India. Now belatedly the Tharrors and Devdutts of the world are trying to claw back. Soon they will themselves be pushed out of the system and be seen as heretics. And we all know what happens to heretics.

            Then the S-Indian time will come. That would either lead to a Hindu schism , or more of the same.

  9. now that kurds are thrown under the bus, Kissinger was right. ….to be america’s allies is fatal.

    1. “Kurds have no friends but the mountains.”
      (Old Kurdish saying).

      They will be fine. Tough plucky guys..and girls. (Kurds are exceptional in that region for allowing their women to serve in combat roles.) Saladin’s folks.

      1. Also haven;t they been fighting the Turks , when the turks were still NATO ally? US turning towards Kurds is a relatively recent thing. If the turks haven’t been able to squash them with american equipment till now, don’t know how successful they would be now.

  10. The Prime Minister of Denmark, Meta Frederiksen, has submitted a report to MPs on what in most other countries reports in parliament are not even submitted by line ministers. She referenced a government action to buy circus animals. Quite specifically: that she bought four elephants from their owners.

    She explained to the deputies that the peripeteias were difficult because one of the elephants had come close to a camel named Ali. She added that government officials were forced to go at an unplanned expense so that Ali and his buddy-elephant would not separate.

    Frederiksen even thanked right-wing MPs for not making a problem for the government over the name of Camel Ali. At this point, the Danish Prime Minister started laughing irresistibly. So “contagious” that after about 15 seconds the whole hall was laughing. Loudly and sweet. All representatives, without exception.

  11. What do people here think are the features of a troll? I have been thinking about it of late. Some that come to mind:

    1) frequency of posts: not necessarily high (which can be true of regular commentators too) but highly volatile – characterised by periods of heavy activity interspersed with quiescence. Heteroscedastic distribution, in technical speak.

    2) reversion to mean in content: tracked by heavier distribution of topical buzzwords (“Aryan”, “Modi”, “Kashmir”, “Islam” etc) and short timescale to revert to one or more of these buzzwords in any given topic. Ideally this has to be normalised against the news cycle to correct for genuine (but fleeting) interest in a topic.

    3) pathological responsiveness: large number of separate and long threads of conversation with individual commentators. (This signal may drop-off for recognised trolls, where people avoid engagement)

    4) tendency to personalise: again a content feature tracking words signifying ad hominems, slurs, obscenities and the like. Their distribution is generally correlated with the pet content buzzwords.

    Let me know if there are any features I missed 🙂

  12. Were Indus valley people Caucasians?
    “Craniofacial reconstruction of the Indus Valley Civilization individuals found at 4500-year-old Rakhigarhi cemetery”

    “Going by the 3-D video representation of the faces, the two individuals of the Rakhigarhi settlement appeared to have Caucasian features with hawk-shaped and Roman noses”

    (Don’t forget to play the video in the supplement of Lee et al 2019)

    How do we reconcile these findings with the widely held view that IVC was pre-Aryan? What do Brownpundits think of this? Please share.

    Read more at:


    1. They were primarily mesolithic Iranian related. Mesolithic Iranians were morphologically caucasoid. Only a minority component of their DNA was AASI which is non caucasoid. Baloch is modern day closest population, as per what I remember Razib mentioning, based on his gut inclination.

      Remember three components of modern S Asians. Mesolithic Iranian, AASI, and Steppe. Only AASI is non caucasoid and exists on a geographic NW to SE cline and high to low caste cline, with some exceptions among herders of NW.

      Physical anthropology in terms of the caucasoid vs. australoid vs. mongoloid vs. negroid is considered psuedoscientific now and largely out of favor, especially with the recent historical eugenics and genocide associations. But by this, systems most S Asians are on. Caucasoid-Australoid cline, correlated heavily with AASI proportion.

      I have a hardcore indic look. Self plug, some gains from the Sky Father Lingum, nice little 415 (~189kg) deadlift)


      Jai Shree Ameen. May peace and good karma be upon you.

      1. Wo’da good looking guy, tinder superstar, SF’s pride…just stay away from cricket.

        1. Very good advice Milan. cricket was brought by invasive R1b brits. Not good for the Indian soul.

    2. “Were Indus valley people Caucasians?”

      LOL, seems like Hollywood got a new script.

      Eagerly waiting for the second part of the movie Exodus where Christian Bale plays Mohindar (Moses) and Joel Edgerton as Ram (Ramesses) . Directed by Ridley Scott Kumar.

      1. “Eagerly waiting for the second part of the movie Exodus where Christian Bale plays Mohindar (Moses) and Joel Edgerton as Ram (Ramesses) . Directed by Ridley Scott Kumar.”

        We already had ‘Greek God’ Hritik play that part. Surely, he should be European enough?

        1. Oh yeah, totally forgot about that movie. It also had a Dravidian (the other pet theory for Indus valley origin) as the Heroine. Totally makes sense now.

          1. I thought Hegde is a GSB surname. Not sure if the Dravidians will take kindly to lumping those Aryan-origin folks with them.

          2. You are right.

            Who in his right mind would consider S-Indian brahmins as (glorious) Dravidian anyway. My mistake 😛

            Anyway as long as we (N-Indians) are supplying pure white Aryan blood as heroines, why the hell would anyone in the south care for 2nd hand Aryan origin (supposedly) folks.

          3. “Who in his right mind would consider S-Indian brahmins as (glorious) Dravidian anyway.”

            This reminds me of my Tamil friend in college (pitch black person) who would rag on a Telugu friend for neither being Dravidian nor Aryan enough.

    3. The male cranium looks low and broad while the female cranium looks relatively tall and narrow. I know that both of these general cranial shapes were found in mesolithic south Asia so IDK about the Iranian impact other than narrower and hooked noses along with the apparent lack of prognathism.

    1. LOL, but if you have to give it to the man. The untiring effort to win over tamils (by Modi) is something , even though he doesn;t need them.

  13. “They were primarily mesolithic Iranian related. Mesolithic Iranians were morphologically caucasoid.”

    I am slowly begining to change my views about IVC people- earlier I visualized them to be ancestors of a-nasa (‘noseless’) with dark skin. (towards Irula like). But, now the things are emerging that they may be cacusoids- somewhat like later day incoming Aryan men. So, dasa and arya looked alike? Interesting!

    1. Lol, India has never had good governance, and never will. “Jingostic politics” are immaterial.

  14. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25GYjAEw0wQ&t=3019s
    ILF-2019: Kashmir: The Valley Seized (27.9.2019)

    So i watch some Pakistan Lit festival. The video above is run of the mill Kashmir discussion. But what piqued my interest is a very interesting view of (liberal) Pakistani panelists on Hinduism/India (commensurate to Indian understanding on Baluchistan )

    Apart from usual Pakistani concerns of how Modi is turning India into a Hindu/Nazi state (and how can we use “daleeets” against Hindus, Hinduism is not a religion etc) , one Pakistani panelist remarked that India has to decide whether it wants to be a democratic state or a Hindu state. The irony wasn’t lost on him , and much to my surprise around 45 mt-ish , someone in the audience did point this out. Both the responses (by the panelist) were interesting , the first response was usual backtracking but the second by Pak ex foreign Minister Khar was more interesting.

    Keep in mind she is from PPP , the liberal Pakistani party and the response was Pakistan need not have to choose b/w Islam and democracy (unlike India) because Islam is a peaceful religion (unlike that other religion you-know-who). Then she narrates that how Jinnah’s daughter ( who stayed on back in India and his family still operates business worth million of dollars, unfortunately) remarked that Jinnah made Pakistan because to save “minorities” from “Hindu Raj”, further emphasizing on her first point.

    All in all, an interesting viewpoint and contrasting one from what goes on in Indian lit fest. The whole talk is in English (if someone is interested to watch the whole thing)

    1. You should be a writer for The Onion. These summaries alone are like SNL jokes about Trump; they write themselves.

    1. fred has turned that argument into some legendary conflagration. it wasn’t that big of a deal and fred kind of misrepresents it (a bunch of us tried to explain shit to him but he kept acting like we stonewalled him).

  15. It is tempting to compare Dharmik ethics to steering by the stars. The stars are always in the “same direction” regardless of who or where you are. Abrahamic ethics is like steering by terrestrial landmarks. Everything depends on where you are and who you are. (This may be why devout Muslims are always trying to figure out which way the Mecca is.)

    Normal rules of logic and ethics do not apply to Islam because it is “in here”. Everyone else is “out there” and must conform to different rules.

  16. The beautiful Indian actress Priyanka Chopra cheered Bogdan and Bjelica in Mumbai. (PC talks – 15 sec)


    Bogdan and Bjelica in front of Taj Mahal (photo – two guys in the middle) + three other Serbian Sacramento rajas (director, manager and coach)


    Bogdan in action (4 min):


  17. Seems legit, similar episodes have occurred before. Its a technique used by right-wing Hindu groups to elicit violent responses from Muslims. Basically they take their religious procession purposefully on a route that goes by a mosque, and when they reach it, halt in front, shouting Hindu slogans at the mosque goers and trying to disrupt any events going on inside.

    Good on the Muslims for teaching them a lesson once again, though hopefully the event remains isolated.

    1. LOL. Make up your mind. Either whine like a loser about atrocities against Muslims or crow about “Good on Muslims”.

      1. I oppose all atrocities.

        Hinduvata trying to incite riots and getting their asses kicked instead is not an atrocity. Its justice. Or karma, if you prefer.

        1. Then, by your own logic, you’d support the Indian government’s crackdown on Kashmir as karma for what the local Muslims did to the Hindus? After all, Kashmiri Muslims kicking out Hindus while being part of an overwhelmingly Hindu country must be inviting the Hindu-majority country to get back at them.

          1. The Kashmiris didn’t do anything to the Pandits they didn’t deserve.

            If the majority is struggling for freedom against a foreign occupier, and a minority of your population sides with the occupier, they won’t fare well. It has happened in every freedom struggle in the world.

            Now obviously there’s a minority of Pandits who supported Kashmiri independence, and they should be supported. Kashmiris aren’t keeping them out, its the Indian government who continues to keep them in exile to milk the situation politically.

          2. “The Kashmiris didn’t do anything to the Pandits that they didn’t deserve”

            This is an extremely crass and insensitive statement. A freedom struggle, no matter how justified, is no excuse for ethnic cleansing. Kashmiris had a case for azaadi going back to 1947. The exodus of the Pandits only served to make it easier for India to paint the whole freedom struggle as being based on extremist Islam.

            It is understandable that in an anti-colonial struggle those who are seen as the collaborator class are targeted. Yet not all Pandits were collaborators and their ethnic cleansing is completely unacceptable. They are Kashmiris too and have just as much stake in the conflict as the Muslims do. That said, of course the Indian State is wrong to use the Pandit tragedy as an excuse to punish Kashmiri Muslims.

          3. Kabir nobody ethnically cleansed the Pandits. Stop repeating a meme that is not accepted anywhere outside of India.

            A few dozen explicit collaborators (supported India rigging elections and violently suppressing peaceful protests) were killed, and the rest decided to leave. Nobody forced them out, their were no massacres.

            Both India and Kashmiris supported this move at the time however. Indians knew they couldn’t protect the Pandits without wholesale massacre of the Kashmiris, and Kashmiris knew the Pandits would be massacred eventually due to being forced to align explicitly with India’s occupation. Their exodus saved everyone a ton of hassle.

            In an ideal world they would not have had to move, but in an ideal world Indians would also not have occupied Kashmir. We don’t live in an ideal world.

          4. Any evidence for the claim that no one outside of India believes the Pandits were not ethnically cleansed? A 2016 article in the BBC states that 300,000 Pandits used to live in the Valley. Now there are 3,000-5,000. People don’t just voluntarily leave their homes for refugee camps.

            Also, you keep opposing “Kashmiris” to “Pandits”. Pandits are Kashmiris as well. They have an equal right to their homeland as the Kashmiri Muslims have.

            I am in full support of the right of the majority of Kashmiris to be independent from India. However, the Pandit exodus is a huge blot on the freedom struggle and I think it is extremely crass to deny that.

        2. I’ll remember your comments the next time there is an event with a Muslim instigation and a Hindu reprisal.

          Actually there was one already in Jehanabad, where Muslims stone-pelted a Durga procession, and Hindus responded with property destruction…or as you would put it, “justice” and “ass-kicking.”

          1. If the procession was pelted for no reason, I’m totally fine with Hindus smacking them around until they stop. Random acts of violence against Muslims unrelated to this incident are not acceptable.

            If however like the cases I’ve described above, this procession was parked in front of a mosque in an attempt to disrupt their activities and hurl abuse at them, then the Hindus deserved their ass-kicking, and have no right of retribution.

      2. INDTHINGS is basically the obverse of hardline Hindutva nuts who celebrate Hindu reprisals to Muslim instigations (I mostly see them on Twitter, I’ve never met one IRL, but I’m sure they’re around.)

        The difference is that the Hindu side doesn’t even bother trying to thread the needle between this and a liberal veneer. Probably that relates to the different political context in which both sides operate.

  18. I’m in an ARPG gaming chat right now. Usually most of what happens is stupid memes and trolling.

    But there are now people in the chat talking about Hong Kong and Xinjiang.

    By themselves these people are meaningless. They’re not pundits or activists, they’re gamers. But if they are talking about this stuff, then that demonstrates the extent to which the CCP has succeeded in pissing off people who otherwise would have let them have a free hand in China.

    1. @Prats

      From the webpage:

      “His A Simple Model of Herd Behavior is also a favorite. The essence of the model can be explained in a simple example (from the paper). Suppose there are two restaurants A and B. The prior probability is that A is slightly more likely to a better restaurant than B but in fact B is the better restaurant. People arrive at the restaurant in sequence and as they do they get a signal of which restaurant is better and they also see what choice the person in front of them made. Suppose the first person in line gets a signal that the better restaurant is A (contrary to fact). They choose A. The second person then gets a signal that the better restaurant is B. The second person in line also sees that the first person chose A so they now know one signal is for A and one for B and the prior is A so the weight of the evidence is for A and the second person also chooses restaurant A. The next person in line also gets the B signal but for the same reasons they choose A. In fact, everyone chooses A even if 99 out of 100 signals are B. We get a herd. The sequential information structure means that the information is wasted”

      I recall reading this Banerjee paper a while ago. A fantastic mathematical result which introduces hard mathematical formalism around (lack of) information density of herding behaviour and also signifies the importance of marketing (which is essentially an exercise to skew priors) in any business.

      Great choice. Joy bongo!

    2. probably R1a

      All hail the Sky Father’s Lingum

      Jai Shree Ameen

      But seriously Tamil and Bengali Brahmins really have a great tradition of scholarship. Other Indians have to work harder and catch up.

      1. “But seriously Tamil and Bengali Brahmins really have a great tradition of scholarship. Other Indians have to work harder and catch up.”

        Calcutta and Madras, along with Mumbai, were early beneficiaries of English education. I wonder why we don’t see as many celebrity scholars from among Brahmins of Maharashtra.

      2. https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/william-dalrymple-interview-east-india-company-british-rule-india-hindu-bankers-mughal-rulers

        “A Section of Hindu Bengali Society Colluded With the Company”

        “The Company had a continual series of collaborators who smoothed their path, and by the time of the Cornwallis Land Reforms and the Permanent Settlement, when the big Mughal estates were broken up and sold to the rising ‘bhadralok’ of Calcutta, a whole section of urban Hindu Bengali society basically had an interest in Company rule, and made a conscious decision to opt for that as the ‘better’ option over Mughal or Maratha rule.”

        The reason you dont’ see as many marathi upper crust, is because they were one of the last people to be co-opted by the Brits, even though they soon became one of their favorite people.

      3. I have a bengali brahmin(most probably) friend whose brother is a super brilliant student.
        In my opinion, Brahmins(and other people) who have more native blood are probably smarter. But since a lot of people with higher native ancestry were subjugated and suppressed by upper castes, so those people couldn’t flourish enough. Also,they were probably genetically less violent than people with higher Aryan blood. So they couldn’t just fight and resist people from upper caste.

        1. You sound like a true Sky Father chokolingam adherent.

          Reality is less racially simplistic than there is the strong tendency to imply. Btw, Brahmins of all types tend to be among the most aryan (steppe) substarta, when controlling for geography.

          1. “You sound like a true Sky Father chokolingam adherent.”
            lol no i meant that people with lesser aryan blood and higher native blood are probably smarter than the ones with higher aryan blood ….tamil brahmins and bengali brahmins have more native ancestry and less aryan ancestry compared to other brahmins. so they are smarter than other brahmins …and ppl with higher aryan ancestry are more likely to be aggressive ….though my theory needs to be edited a bit

            Just see how cocky and proud Milan is and he often belittles ppl on an ethnic or racial basis. such behaviour is probably genetic

          2. LOL, if someone thinks that Brahmin are more natives (supposedly) than other castes in their region, then they are living in cuckoo land. If more native-ness (and less steppe) is the reason of intelligence than rather than Bengali Brahmin , the Bengali munda should be the one winning nobels.

          3. @Bengalistani (anonymous)

            “Just see how cocky and proud Milan is and he often belittles ppl on an ethnic or racial basis. such behaviour is probably genetic”

            I don’t mind if anyone has his own perception about me. I may not be the role model a la ‘Mahatma great soul’ but I could be also perceived as someone with strong assertions (when I am sure that I am right) but also, as tolerant and ready to change the opinion if it is proven the opposite. It is unlike many here who (mostly anonymously) express their autism despite the facts presented.

            Maybe, your perception is a consequence of dominant sports played in respective countries. I told you guys several times to stop wasting time and energy on cricket which perpetuates your colonial mind and to start do something for real (look at our spanky, tinder-builder-superstar).

            It is untrue that I demean people on racial basis. You should double think before you say something like this. I would not be here otherwise. Find me just one example. It is opposite, many guys here are obsessed with racial topics and we should read long, boring and meaningless lists how many some group has grassland or any other genes. I have just said that Serbs came to SA 4000 years ago, that almost 200 million S.Asians have their genes and that they are my cousins.

            I did say what I think about some Euro groups (e.g. Bosniacs who are actually 100% Serbs or Croats, who are 80-90% converted Serbs) just for you guys to better know Euro environment because I realised that your knowledge about Euro history is very modest. I am not trying to be politically correct and I am not here to make friends. I would not waste any more time on ‘taqiyya’ or something at this (bellow)civilisation’s level.

            I am glad that you chose a Serbian word (stan) to be a part of your name. Bengali language is as far as I know the most similar to the old Serbian language-Sanskrit according to Tagore’s granddaughter who studied Serbian and Slavic languages for 30 years.

            I would be interested to read your opinion about the maps which link I provided in the latest thread?

            Stay cool!

          4. @Milan never mind, Sir Milan. Didn’t want to offend you ? i have no problem with your serbian pride ❤

        2. “If more native-ness (and less steppe) is the reason of intelligence than rather than Bengali Brahmin , the Bengali munda should be the one winning nobels.”

          I don’t know much about mundas but i dont think they are Bengalis. It also depends on what u call native. A native tamil may be genetically different from a person of another native ethnicity. Brahmins(like tamil brahmins) in some cases flourished more than other castes most probably bcz brahmins were historically privileged(not because they are intellectualy superior compared to other castes) while native people were suppressed for a long time which had a long lasting impact generation after generation.
          Btw non brahmin tamils also have many achievements and smarter(in terms of technology,mathematics,science etc) indians are disproportionately south indians i.e. people with higher native ancestry.

          1. No worries, I am not so sensitive and I can read between the lines. Anyway, you are lucky that you haven’t seen my pride…and…your opinion about maps?

    1. “Talk about Stockholm syndrome. Very sad.

      In the map shown towards the end, India is still shown as a separate geographical entity from Pakistan. Aren’t they gonna annex entire India into Pak? Or are they planning to govern it like some sort of Vichy France? I mean, jub hind banega pakistan, toh beech mein yeh sarhadein kyun?

      I wish they would also give us some details of their geo-political strategy rather than just dream about eating kababs at Dehli Gate.

  19. slapstik or any other Londoner here:

    In London for a week, and will probably trek up to Oxford. Please share your thoughts on must-dos, especially some hidden gem type places (or off the beaten track).
    Constraints: Vegetarian, and with youngish kids

    1. @justanotherlurker

      With kids Natural History Museum is a great place to visit. Great hit with kids of school-going age. Do check out their T-Rex grill restaurant for great lunch menus too – kid and veggie friendly. Also see the huge moon exhibit there. It is fantastically detailed and nothing prepares you for its scale.

      My favourite V&A is right around the corner from NHM. Fantastic Indian and Islamic art examples, but kids will get bored.

      The weather’s terrible, otherwise London Zoo May have been a good idea too. It is in the middle of Regent’s Park and that’s a lovely part of town. Sherlock Holmes museum is nearby, which is good but you’ve to be a fan to appreciate it (always found it a little touristy). My personal favourite is a lovely café and deli shop called Raoul’s that’s a 10-15 min walk from Regent’s Park towards little venice (in the vicinity of Lords). Do sample the local strudel or the tarte tatin – they do it v well. Also quite veggie friendly. I used to live there so been their loads and still drive over occasionally.

    2. London has great many museums. Some great museums are free even to this day i.e. British Museum. BM is a must . Visit those first. Places like Madame tussauds or Sherlock Holmes have become costly nowadays. Even with an entry fee of 17 quid for Madame Tussaud or London Eye. , there are still huge queues
      There are little known trips organized by individuals like Sherlock Holmes London, or Beatles London or Jack the Ripper London charging 5 quid and they meet near tube stations and run by enthusiasts. Search for London walks. Vegetarian food should not be difficult anywhere in London

    Is 30 vs. 35% really middling? Still a lot compared to the 30-35% dalit population. If anything, Banias are middling.

  21. “probably R1a
    All hail the Sky Father’s Lingum
    Jai Shree Ameen”

    Do you know that Y-dna has got nothing to do with the IQ. Most of SNPs identified as having some correlation with IQ reside on X. That is why if you are a male, almost all of your intelligence (or lack thereof) is due to your mother. There is some truth in the old adage that intelligence comes from the mother’s side of the family.

    1. Dude I am just joking. I am satirizing the white supremacist shit I have read online for a decade + that is literally mentioned in any casual discussion forum of this stuff.

      I think I have to do a better job though. People are misunderstanding me.

  22. @Bengalistani

    Yes, the fact that groups like S Indian Brahmins, who have more AASI, than N Indian Brahmins, and do not show any negative difference and actually show relatively more intelligence does poke holes in the AASI= stupid.

    I do not think anyone questioned the intellect of Indus People because of IVC or Steppe people because they dominated everyone. But there is a tendency to shit on the AASI.

    The reality is probably two fold. Environmental factors and culture are huge. Genetic selection is a factor but wouldn’t operate on as broad spectrum of these three big ancestral groups. It would much more narrowly based on very specific selection pressures small subgroups of these large groups faced. That too, individual variation is too great to get too caught up in how much of intergroup differences are genetic.

    Let’s focus on leveling the playing field on some of these environmental factors. Then we can talk about genetic factors. S Asia has worse malnutrition than most of the world. Let’s fix that first.

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