West Bengal Hindus have a real grievance, and it should be stated plainly. East Bengal’s Hindu share fell from 28% in 1941 to under 8% in the 2022 Bangladesh census. West Bengal’s Muslim share rose from 19.85% in 1951 to 27% in the 2011 Census, and is estimated higher today.
The Nehru–Liaquat Pact of 1950 was meant to be reciprocal. It was not. One side kept its minorities; the other did not. Three refugee waves, 1950, 1964, 1971, landed on West Bengal alone. The frustration is not communal; it is actuarial.
But the conclusion drawn from it is often wrong. The three Muslim-majority border districts, Murshidabad, Malda, Uttar Dinajpur, are not a demographic problem to be solved. They are the reason the state functions.
Murshidabad holds the Bhagirathi offtake at Jangipur and the Farakka Barrage beyond it. Farakka diverts the Ganga’s dry-season flow into the Hooghly; without that diversion, Kolkata Port silts up, the Hooghly becomes seasonal, and the salinity line marches inland into the 24 Parganas. Malda anchors the Sealdah–New Jalpaiguri trunk line and the rail spine to Assam; lose it and North Bengal is an island.
Uttar Dinajpur sits directly below the Siliguri Corridor and carries NH 27. These were not given to India by accident in 1947. Radcliffe overrode demography for infrastructure, and the engineering logic has only deepened since.
The Muslims of these districts are weavers, beedi workers, masons, farmers on the most fertile alluvium in eastern India. Murshidabad silk, Malda mangoes, the Farakka catchment; the productive base of three districts rests on a workforce the state would struggle to replace at scale.
Frustration is fair. Cession is not. The districts that look like the problem are the ones holding the system together.
Also Murshidabad was the capital of the Bengal Subah thus placing all the capitals of the three big post Mughal Muslim states inside India (Lucknow and Hyderabad being the other two).
Considering what happened to the other two, I have to give kudos to the Nizam of Hyderabad. Flip-flopping allegiances between the Mughals, the Marathas and the British, the Nizams managed to maintain their control of Hyderabad for nearly 250 years and the ruling family still owns vast properties across Hyderabad, including the royal palaces.
The corresponding Awadhi and Bengali properties are owned by the respective state governments. And for that matter, the Mughal holdings in Delhi too.
I don’t think bragging about invading and annexing the Deccan sultanate is a flex because Operation Polo was a genocide resulting in the killings of at least 20,000 Muslims and the exodus of many more. Even to this day majority of the Hyderabadi Muslims I meet in America (and there’s a large community of them) either only identify as Hyderabadi/Deccani and reject an Indian identity or they will call themselves Indian but emphasize their Hyderabadi Muslim identity, this is a pretty common phenomenon in Chicago and Texas from what I’ve seen first hand. They’ve still maintained a very independent identity despite the forceful annexation nearly 80 years ago.
There were reports of looting, mass murder and rape of Muslims in reprisals by Hyderabadi Hindus.[24][51] Jawaharlal Nehru appointed a mixed-faith committee led by Pandit Sunder Lal to investigate the situation. The findings of the report (Pandit Sunderlal Committee Report) were not made public until 2013 when it was accessed from the Nehru Memorial Museum and Library in New Delhi.[24][76]
MLM – Muslim Lives Matter
Yeah it was really bad. Nehru even referred to the Turko-Persian influenced culture of the Hyderabadi Muslims as “alien” which then led to an exodus of many of them to Pakistan.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1089851
So basically in Hyderabad State, Hindu landlords were exploiting the peasants. Communist rebellion broke out against the Hindu landlords, Congress tactically supported it.. Landlords appealed to the Nizam to control the situation, Nizam’s Razakaars managed to put the rebellion down, Congress basically declared this was a Hindu genocide and used this as a pretext to take over Hyderabad and dethrone the Nizam, and do a Muslim genocide in the process.
Just the old play book, and they hide behind “secularism”
Hyderabad is India’s. Kashmir is also India’s. Get over it.
Lay off Pakistan for a while; at least 10 days.
Don’t want to see Pakistan in your posts or comments till the 20th of May (implied or otherwise, we are not entirely stupid).
All right, I’ll just take a break for a while in general. Catch up on the IPL and movies.
Maybe I’ll even have some cricket/movie articles ready by then.
Sounds good – enjoy.
You can keep Hyderabad, but we will take Kashmir, sooner or later. Thanks.
Another decade of differential economic growth and Kashmiris will definitely not want to be a part of Pakistan.
Independence maybe but definitely not Pakistan if it is 30-40% poorer than India.
India is already “almost” at 2x income differential (2x proper will be in a few years) and Pakistan is already more than 40% poorer than India (around 60-70%).
We are looking at 4-5x by mid century.
https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PPPPC@WEO/IND/PAK/BGD
Weren’t you just told not to mention Pakistan for ten days?
To his credit he specifically requested one last hurrah before his sign off. BB has a keen sense of the dramatic..
Let’s hope he sticks to his side of the bargain.
He won’t be able to participate on BP since he only comes here to snipe at Pakistan. Pity.
We promise to hold a referrendum once Pak army is in control of Srinagar. India has not done that and won’t do it, but Pakistan will.
Go read the UN resolutions – the “referendum” or Plebescite, first requires, as a precondition, that Pakistan hand over the entirety of Jammu-Kashmir state to the Indian army.
But hey. Dreams are free of cost. Facts and reality are different gravy though.
That’s incorrect and a common indian nationalist myth. You’re referring to UN res 47 which recommended Pakistan withdraw first followed by India drawing down its troop to a very small number and then holding a plebiscite under the UN however that was succeeded by UN resolution 80 passed about 3 years latter, which called for a simultaneous withdrawal of both countries and a plebiscite under the UN.
Take a look at UN resolution 80.
In any case, we know you guys have no regard for international law, treaties or agreements. So we know it will be resolved only one way. Suspending IWT has ended the naysayers and peacenik argument and any attempt to steal Pakistan’s water is just going to be used as causus belli.
You need to get your army out of the gilgit baltistsn for this resolution to be valid.
And you really think a resolution under the shadow of a nuclear country’s army is valid? Do you really think the entity that supported cross border terrorism in our side of the border is a neutral and trustworthy entity?
UN resolution 80 which succeeded resolution 47, calls for a simultaneous withdrawal of both countries. The plebiscite was supposed to held under the UN – which is a neutral entity.
And this is different from whst Q is suggesting.
And Indian army can only move when Pakistani army does.
Looks like Indians never read about UN resolution 80. Just keep repeating the same talking points to obfuscate and prolong the issue since 1948
Don’t speak about Gilgit-Baltistan.
The Muslims of GB have never been part of Hindu-majority India. They want nothing more than to be a province of Pakistan.
Unfortunately, Pakistan’s official position is that we cannot annex GB since that would justify India’s annexation of Occupied Kashmir.
’48 ’65 ’99
Mauka mauka
Mauka mauka
Honestly, you’re also not helping.
And this sort of delusional thinking, is the pretext on which kleptocrats are able to enslave Pakistanis and justify it.
And right on cue the other anti-Pakistan character appears with the usual tripe about “kleptocrats” and “enslaved Pakistanis”.
BB uses ChatGPT to write his comments and the other chap can basically be a bot at this point parroting anti-Pakistan lines.
These are the great Indian “intellectuals” on this forum.
RNJ made a similar joke about some Taufiq Umar (probably some Gen X/millenial cricketer) that BB also made in the past, wouldn’t be surprised if that’s his other burner account.
lol, you are seeing Hamza in every shadow.
Since you don’t know who Taufiq Umar is, implies you are a youngling. I’ll try and be a bit more patient with your…..more OTT comments.
RNJ is not BB’s alias.
He’s just another anti-Pakistan troll.
At least I sympathize with Kabir, he is ostensibly living in Pakistan, and potentially at risk for being visited by the ..black vigos. So he dare not utter a peep against the Pakistani military’s flaws – its been made a ‘crime’ after all. I forget the name of that young lawyer who has been jailed for a…….”tweet”.
For the last time, I am an American national. No one can do anything to me.
Imran Khan also despised the state of India, he’s no friend of yours lmao. If Imran Khan becomes PM again then it’ll go back to how it was 2018-2022, so stop feigning concern for him – y’all don’t care about him but use him for political point scoring.
Exactly. I’m no fan of IK but when it comes to India all patriotic Pakistanis are on the same page.
From an Indian perspective, “Agent Imran” was a useful idiot when it comes to Ind-Pak relations. That’s what the phaujjj thought of him when it ‘organized’ the PM Kursi for him. He was only too happy to parrot the PakMil invented ‘hard’ propaganda rhetoric against India. Which is just noise anyway.
More importantly, he damaged Pakistani foreign relations, and his messianic self-belief led him to trailblaze as a Pakistani politician into directly challenging PakMil. These are all ‘good’ outcomes from an Indian view.
If there existed such a thing as an objective Pakistani liberal-minded patriot, capable of honesty, then they would be willing to accept the fact that the path for Pakistan to progress cannot be constructed without somehow getting out from under the kleptocratic jackboots of the Pakistani Miltary. Till date, Immmy was the best shot that Pakistanis have taken at attempting this. For this alone, Immy deserves credit. Sure he was…..a misguided messiah with warts. But this alone, is nothing to be dismissed.
First of all, there are no credible polls as to how popular IK is.
Second of all, he incited his followers to attack Pakistan’s military installations. Attacking corps commander’s house is absolutely unforgivable. He’s also been convicted of corruption and stealing from the Toshakhana. Let’s not forget the 190 million pounds case.
You may not trust the Pakistani courts but that’s on you. You mentioned once that the Indian Supreme Court gave “Hindu Hriday Samrat” a “clean chit” for the Gujarat pogroms. I don’t trust your courts either.
Do not insult Pak Fauj, It is gratuitous and triggering. Field Marshal Asim Munir is the most well respected man in Pakistan– largely because of your country’s failed “Operation Sindoor”. We are currently celebrating Marka-e-Haq.
Imran Khan won the 2024 elections from jail, with his party banned and his candidates running as independents.
Infact it was not even close, he probably won 2/3rds majority which is what set the alarm bells ringing
In my city ok Karachi, he won 17 or 18 seats out of 20, whose results were changed in the morning and given to MQM which was not even 3rd in contention.
In Punjab, both Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz lost their elections along with a host of others. Only Shahbaz may have actually won his seat.
Facts are facts, lets not deny them.
However PTI since that has lost a lot of support and Field Marshall Asim Muneer has gained some popularity after defeating India and getting several wins on the diplomatic front.
I think Imran Khan should have compromised when offered a deal last year but he is stubborn as an angry ox.
I don’t really want to get into the claims of rigging in 2024. In any case, if 2024 was rigged so was 2018. Mian Sahab and Maryam Bibi were in jail. Imran was the “selected” PM.
I agree that 2026 is different from 2024. “Operation Sindoor” served to rehabilitate the Field Marshal. The hybrid regime is much stronger than it was twelve months ago.
No you wont. For your own country’s future sake can you focus on yourself for s while. At least get out of debt. Maybe make your half an international tourist destination like Indias was becoming before Pahalgam
The metaphor of the monkey getting his hand stuck in the candy jar is often applied to Pakistanis and the ‘Kashmir dispute’.
You are very clearly obfuscating the role of the razakars in this
They were not just putting down peasant rebellion but also preparing the ground for an independent Islamic state as well. That is why the violence went above and beyond whst it was there
The killing that happened during operation polo, they bear responsibility to that as well
Operation Polo was an illegal annexation and genocide just like the invasion and annexation of Goa. Although the latter was probably better since it wasn’t accompanied with massacres.
How was the Khan of Kalat induced to get Balochistan join Pakistan again?
Partition and the related unwinding of ‘princely states’ was messy.
Cherry-picking and wanting a ‘re-do’ on Hyderabad or even Kashmir is a delusional fantasy for the Pakistani nation-state.
One that is useful chooran for your kleptocratic elites to keep the masses distracted.
Judging by the comments from the 2 younglings here, the old chooran is still quite effective.
In both cases the populace wanted to overthrow their oppressors
The Indian army was welcome by goans and the entire world sided with India proving its legitimacy
The razakars and their reign of terror are what forced the Indian army to invade the hyderabad state, was what the razakar doing in the name of fighting the communist legal?
It is regrettable that muslims were made victims in operation polo many who were women and children and not related to razakars. I want to know what do you think about the same razakar not only escaping the reprisal but going to Pakistan?
For the Muslims of Deccan the invading Indian military were the oppressors and that’s why founding stock Hyderabadi Muslims still have a difficult relation with India and many don’t identify as Indian to this day. You say the razakar (state security) were on a “reign of terror” even though they were in charge of the Nizam’s (a legit princely state) internal security and were dealing with an insurgency, if that justifies India’s intervention then the Dogras massacring Muslism in Jammu also justifies Pakistan and the tribal laskhars intervention in J&K as we view Hari Singh as an oppressor and his forces were on a reign of terror against J&K muslims and a massive influx of Muslim refugees across the Jhelum into Punjab. All the Deccanis including their state forces like Razakars who migrated to Pakistan obviously became part of Pakistan’s tapestry of culture, why should we shun them? They went through a literal genocide.
As for Goa, India illegally invaded a Portuguese territory and then annexed – granted the local Goans were against the Portugese colonizers but that doesn’t give India the right to just annex it, that shows they did for their own interests – the global south supporting india out of ethnic ignorance (meh all brown people are the same) doesn’t make their actions morally or legally correct. I see the annexation of Goa no different from Morocco’s annexation of western Sahara or Indonesia’s annexation of East Timor – those two countries get a lot of flak for their actions of usurping another country and the latter had to hold a referendum and give up East Timor but India has been given special treatment by the international community (contrary to the victim narrative waxed on by Indian public figures).
Today Goa has gone from Catholic majority to a minority. It probably would’ve fared better in a Singapore-like state.
Untrue.
While the Catholic population has indeed declined, never in history has Goa ever been Catholic majority. It has always been Hindu majority.
https://www.dpse.goa.gov.in/Economic-Survey-2023-24.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Goa Economic Survey 2023-34, Directorate of Planning, Statistics & Evaluation, Goa
Table No 2.8, page 10.
Parts of goa that were under control longest, namely old goa were catholic majority, with addition of new territories in 18tth century we saw an increase in the overall.hindu population.
Now in the latest census even parts of old goa have lost their catholic majority or have it by a very thin margin. Plus overall the number of native Konkani speakers itself has declined.
Are you in touch with any of the people belonging to the groups you speak about in India? A lot of these views seem to be of expats rather than Indians.
//For the Muslims of Deccan the invading Indian military were the oppressors and that’s why founding stock Hyderabadi Muslims still have a difficult relation with India and many don’t identify as Indian to this day//
Who is this founding stock you are speaking of? And most muslims outside of hyderabad city had little connection with the Nizam himself, the only shock to them would have been getting targeted as Razakars even if many were not. You place too much emphasis into how emotiontionally invested, the deccani muslims were in the Nizam.
//You say the razakar (state security) were on a “reign of terror” even though they were in charge of the Nizam’s (a legit princely state) internal security and were dealing with an insurgency, if that justifies India’s intervention then the Dogras massacring Muslism in Jammu also justifies Pakistan and the tribal laskhars intervention in J&K as we view Hari Singh as an oppressor and his forces were on a reign of terror against J&K muslims and a massive influx of Muslim refugees across the Jhelum into Punjab. //
The difference is that the majority of the population including a section of the muslims in J&K wanted to be part of India, aside from a section of muslims.no one wanted to be part of Pakistan in Jammu. And yes what the dogras did is wrong as was what happened to hyderabad muslims in operation polo.
The razakars were going above and beyond in quelling the communists, including religiously targeting people, literally terrorising them into submission. If you have read the report on the aftermath of operation polo also read what the victims of the razakar say was done to them. Even the Nizam lost control of the razakars, that should tell.you how uncontrollable they became.
//I see the annexation of Goa no different from Morocco’s annexation of western Sahara or Indonesia’s annexation of East Timor – those two countries get a lot of flak for their actions of usurping another country and the latter had to hold a referendum and give up East Timor but India has been given special treatment by the international community (contrary to the victim narrative waxed on by Indian public figures).//
Many goans wanted to be part of India had fought am independence movement to do so and welcomed the Indian army. The nations of Africa were themselved going through a war with Portugal in some of its colonies and supported the takeover for that reason. Even if we concede legality in this case, comparing with Timor Leste is wrong, India has never mistreated the goan people, nor tried to violently suppress then like Sukarno. Furthermore Indias actions have been accepted globally, even by Portugal which has normalized relations with India. Pakistani can keep on having a seperate view but this is a settled matter globally.
And yes goan catholics have decreased, much of this is due to lower birth rates of Konkani in general many goans taking opportunity to migrate to EU through descent, migration of people from neighboring states, and the fact that the actual area thst Portugal controlled and christiankzed for most of the colonial period was very small. I also think you are overestimating goan capability in building a Singapore, in reality with the burden of having to maintain a standing army, as well as having lesser land and resources things would have been worse for goa.
Yes after 200 years of Hyderabad State coexiating with Hindus, suddenly the Nizam thought he would become an Islamic ISIS inspired state and great Patel had to stop it!
Good god, the propaganda you guys believe would put the Americans to shame.
//Yes after 200 years of Hyderabad State coexiating with Hindus, suddenly the Nizam thought he would become an Islamic ISIS inspired state and great Patel had to stop it!//
The Nizam did not think so, the razakars did and he was not smart enough to know otherwise. You should read ‘The Hyderabadis’ by Daneesh Majid. It covers how not only his non Muslim advisors but even Jaamt e islami advised the Nizam to make peace with India but he did not listen. Believing he could be independent.
razakar is such a hated name that Hasina got into great trouble in Bangladesh when she accused
The JI backed protesters as razakars.
After the election, a middle aged woman was asked by a media guy as to why she did not vote for Jl.
She said that they were razakars.
The hyderbadi razakar’s legacy is well maintained by oweisi.
Hyderabadi Muslims were a minority in the majority Telugu Hindu state. Prior to Operation Polo there was a raging communist revolution undergoing there against the razakars. These included many Hyderabadi Muslims as well – Makhdoom Mohiuddin, Hassan Nasir (tortured to death in Lahore by Pakistani authorities later).
Everyone in India does that despite religion or ethnicity. The Indian identity can exist alongside other identities.
Considering they are Americans now, I don’t particularly care (just like I don’t care what Canadian Sikhs identify as). The ones in India are very much Indian including Mohammed Siraj.
In many ways Deccan was the inverse of Jammu&Kashmir, the latter had a Muslim majority with a Hindu ruler – both had different outcomes and held to different standards. Either way, Operation Polo was morally wrong and illegal and to this day it seems like the heritage Hyderabadi Muslim population hasn’t moved on.
Not really, when they say they’re not Indian or emphasize their Deccani/Hyderabadi Muslim identity they’re doing it as a protest or in a way to point out that they’re actually their ethnicity first before Indian. Other Indian groups don’t do that in America (except for Punjabis) they almost always emphasize that they’re Indian and often don’t mention their ethnic backgrounds.
You may not care what Sikhs or old stock Hyderabadi Muslims identify as today but you do claim their culture and heritage, so you can’t just appropriate just because you physically inherited the civilization they left behind, you have the remnants of it but not the soul.
One huge difference. Kashmiri Muslims under the National Conference fought on the side of India. Whatever happened afterwards doesn’t change that core fact of what happened in 1948.
Kashmir got partitioned according to who sided with whom. Gilgit Scouts and Muslim Conference got their areas included in Pakistan. Hindu Dogras under the Maharaja and Muslim Kashmiris under the National Conference got their areas included in India.
And another difference, both the Nizam and the Maharaja acceded to India.
The moment they left, they relinquished the claim. And India very much has the “soul” too. Sikhs and Hyderabadi Muslims in India outnumber those outside by a huge margin.
There is a Hyderabadi restaurant in Lahore DHA called “Gadrung”. My family goes there quite regularly.
https://images.dawn.com/news/1193929/this-artist-is-reviving-family-heirloom-recipes-to-bring-hyderabadi-cuisine-to-lahore
Interesting observation.
Here you pretend to not really know about Hyderabad.
But then here you refer to your Hyderabadi acquaintances and call it by the name it was even before the Nizamate (or part of the Mughal Empire) – The Deccan Sultanate.
Is your animus towards Telugus/Dravidians partly because one of the “crown jewels” of the “Islamicate” passed over to them?
Of course, them overtaking desi identity in America much to Pakistanis’ chagrin is another.
Considering you live in the suburbs of Dallas, the recent Frisco events must have been also affecting the desi community.
Seems like I hit a nerve, why does it matter how I refer to the city as? You sound very sensitive.
I don’t have any animus towards south indians, definitely not more than your animus towards Pakistanis and Muslims. I don’t think there are any Islamicate “crown jewels” left in India. We live in the present and build for the future, Islamabad, Peshawar, Lahore, and Karachi are the new crown jewels. Pakistanis have historically referred to the country as Madina-e-Sani (The second Madina) because we’ve left the past behind and built a new cradle.
They’re not really taking over any identity, like I’ve mentioned in the past Pakistanis don’t really identify or need the term desi anymore, it’s too broad a category and people are better informed about cultures now than when S Asians first started migrating here. Also our communities are quite distinct so that kind of overlap doensn’t happen irl. Even in Canada, the Pakistani community in Mississauga has carved out a distinct identity from the Punjabi Sikhs in Brampton despite both having much more in common, down here the delta is naturally even wider.
As for my location, I never stated where I live although if you wanna be a weirdo-stalker and pry IP addresses using authorship (As you did with Qureshi) then I guess that’s a choice you’ve made and I don’t expect much better from you given your track record. I hope Xack reflects on your creepiness because its not a good look for this blog as him and the other founders worked hard to build over years.
Prying into where people live when they haven’t stated that information publicly is actually very creepy.
In one of his earlier incarnations, he got into my email.
BB – we did say don’t go person.
Why is it salient to know where EK lives if he hasn’t volunteered that personal relationship.
Yes, mistake on my part. But kind of explains his anathema to Telugus/Dravidians.
Yeah it’s super creepy, noticed he did that with Qureshi as well. He should seriously be banned has he’s given death threat before and even written erotic literature about Pakistani women. This “Humza” character is a degen and a threat to society. Hope Xack looks into this, I think he’s gotten way too much leeway.
I apologize about that. That is a line I should not have crossed – regarding personal information.
Apology not accepted.
We don’t agree that BB should be banned as he does push the line but respects it when it is enforced.
While we deplore BB taking on the personal angle and warn him repeatedly ; he is right to counter Hinduphobia & Indophobia, which frankly is rife in the Cresceniate.
It is exhausting to combat so there is need for Dhurundhar (but on a leash).
That was very very upsetting when he disclosed your alleged location; it will be excised and it is completely unacceptable.
Also we have written a post giving Kabir, extra rights if he ever feels uncomfortable by BB.
But making fun of a “Jain menu”, which is completely delicious, is frankly offensive.
I got carried away by today’s Dhurandharing.
Like before, I will respect this line. No personal attacks.
I disagree with your labels about Hinduphobia. If we dislike some aspects of Hindu cultural and religious practises and point them out, it’s the same as many Hindus criticizing many cultural or religious practises of Islam. Apart from caste differences, I havent even criticized Hindu relgion at all, and mostly stuck to countering Hindu nationalism which is specifically anti-Islam.
As long as criticism is respectful, it should not be considered any type of phobia.
I feel many several commentators here openly blame and mock Islam, they equate people’s view points as Islamic view points and do not have any logical consistency, engaging more in emotional outbursts.
You write the Above AND the Below:
“We promise to hold a referrendum once Pak army is in control of Srinagar. India has not done that and won’t do it, but Pakistan will.”
To be fair, there was nothing against Hindus in that comment.
It was a purely nationalistic comment.
I already pointed out to Q that he wasn’t helping. Sometimes he acts like a mirror version of BB.
I dont see any contradiction. Do you? Unless you think criticizing the Indian state’s expansionist aims is Hinduphobia?
Technically, it wasn’t a death threat. He said he’d hold a gun to my head not that he would kill me.
Sexualizing Muslim women is beyond disgusting. A similar post from a Muslim man sexualizing Hindu women would most probably have had much tougher consequences. I’ll leave it there.
More seriously, I’m quite worried about his identification with a fictional Bollywood character. This is not psychologically healthy. If it’s a bit, it’s gone too far and isn’t funny anymore.
The constant low-signal posting of pictures from “Dhurandhar” is also annoying.
But yes, if I were the Admin here, the sexualizing of Muslim women would have resulted in a permanent ban. For a Hindu man to write those words about Muslim women is absolutely unforgivable.
If these are the “jewels”, god save you.
Yes that is unacceptable – we are sorry about that EK (do we know you).
We had warned BB,
NEVER to go personal.
We will overlook it this time but next time it will be dealt with zero tolerance (privacy is essentially to transparent opinionation).
Yes, I apologize about that. I crossed a line which I shouldn’t have.
Please remove all references to EK’s location – we specifically said nothing personal.
It was extremely unacceptable and next time it’s 50 comments and 10 days ban for you and all your Avatars ..
As u know we have no issues with your Dhurundharing (the Hinduphobia is nauseating so your interventions are very welcome and worthwhile) but there is no need to get offensive, personal or abusive.
Pakistan has anyway lost to India alas; thus the Pakistanis have to constantly deprecate India and everything she stands for.
This is our personal opinion; this is not to say Pakistan makes tactical victories (post Pahalgam) and wins on niche areas (Q makes good points re cultural resistance) but strategically it has completely lost.
One wing has lost to Bharat forever (Bangladesh) and the other has to reinvent their identity as Middle Easterners who despite speaking a Sanskritic tongue are really actually Bedouins.. droll
I don’t think I can edit but I will scour my comments and send them to you.
//One wing has lost to Bharat forever (Bangladesh)//
I dont agree that Bangladesh has been lost forever.
While they have been muslims for a long time the strictness thst they have has only come in the last 200 years, often to deadly consequences( Direct Action Day) but the relative recency in this turn, the fact thst bengali is still spoken and loved, with poila baisakh still celebrated and many cultural influence like jamdani sarees, terracotta artwork still present, this trend of revivalism can be reversed.
Especially since these revivalism strains have failed in their primary goal of making them prosperous and safe, with the current head of the Jamaat giving no indication of improving.
A future where even if islam persists it is seen and understood with bengali dharmic culture, western philosophy, Eastern philosophy and islamic tradition as all equal authorities is not out of reach though maybe not in our lifetimes and probably with a more bengali buddhist than bengali hindu frame
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I don’t know you guys personally, only recently discovered this blog a few months ago. BB’s behavior is strange indeed, I don’t blame BrownPundits but I do think the blog should dissociate from this guy and all of his aliases/sock accounts.
BB is adaptive; he writes good posts and is contrite when admonished.
If Kabir has extended the rights for Authorial Autonomy; BB is ensuring that BP pays homage to the Pandits after whom we are named..
We do not aspire for “neutrality” in what we see as a senseless conflict. We simply give views to all but we all see that if “ban” BB, Hinduphobia would go unchallenged..
However if BB violates privacy again or goes personal, we will simply remove 100 comments and ban for a month for him and his Avatars.
We saw all the commenting referencing the location and we are NOT impressed. Above all BP MUST be a safe space for reader, commentator and Author.
Even if BB were banned, there are plenty of other people (RNJ, NDG) who present Indian nationalist views. The “Saffroniate” is bigger than one person.
You are the admin. The decision to ban an individual rests with you.
The constant anti Pakistani animus from BB rapidly grows tiresome. One can appreciate one’s own country without constantly denigrating someone else’s.
As far as I know, he’s never been to Lahore yet he goes on and on about how second rate Pakistani cities are. This is just one example. It’s gratuitous.
Also this claim that Pakistanis are “cosplaying” which has come up repeatedly is actually quite offensive. My grandmother was from Agra. I’m not “cosplaying” as anything. I believe Q is also Muhajir.
One can appreciate one’s own country without constantly denigrating someone else’s.
So when are you going to stop incessantly posting Far-Left criticisms of India in favour of posting positive stories about Pakistan? Genuine question. I am also tired of constantly having to defend my country to a bunch of foreigners.
Once again, “The Wire” and “Scroll” are not “Far Left”.
The fact that you keep claiming this just shows how far to the right you are.
I offered not to post about India if the “Saffroniate” didn’t post about Pakistan. That offer wasn’t accepted. So the ceasefire is off.
Thank you for your trust in me. No more personal attacks.
The “Islamicate” crown jewels will always be Hyderabad, Lucknow, Agra and most of all Delhi.
Your language is ours, your food is ours and the “crown jewels” are ours.
Most Pakistanis (citizen or otherwise) will never see the Taj Mahal.
Parts of nizam’s territory in karnataka was till very recently called hyderbad karnataka, now called kalyana karnataka.
This is the most backward region of karnataka.the region lags in every matric.
Nizam’s rule was hugely exploitive, extractive and exclusivist. It benefed mostly the Muslim elite.
They called themselves Osmani, claiming lineage from turkey. They brought brides from turkey and many princes stayed in turkey.
Interestingly, their army chief was a Egyptian and he went back promptly after defeat.
Osmanis never considered themselves as belonging to this land.
I think this is how mughals also felt.
The region’s well known representatives are kharge father and son duo.
Senior kharge’s house was burnt along with his mother and sister by maurading razakars.
And in any normal country said Kharge wouldn’t pander to the worst tendencies of the same community that killed his family but unfortunately, we are not a serious country.
Lots of these kind of separatists arr found abroad whose ancestors never lived in India after events like operation polo.
Many hyderabad muslims just want their victimisation to get as much attention as the atrocities by the Razakars are getting now
The deccani muslims killed lot of Hindus from 1940-48 just because they were Hindus and expect Hindus to be peaceful. Locals have penned songs on the atrocities. There is a song “Nakka Andalamma” which describes how muslims raped her. It’s always muslims start and Hindus will respond. 1991 riots in hyd is still fresh in our memories.
Israel owns Palestinian land
the US has Native land
but the soul of the land is in its people not palaces.
this is a question of the letter of the law versus the spirit
the Letter (land) of Indo-Islamicate Civ is squarely in India
the Spirit (people) of Indo-Islamicate Civ is mixed but has grafted the best in Pakistan..
the Mughlai inheritance has grafted onto the Indus, perhaps too well for the “indigenous ethnicities” of Pakistan (Baluch, Sindhi, Seraiki, Pathan even). the North Punjab-Urdu speaking compact defines the Qaum
https://www.brownpundits.com/2025/12/10/who-can-speak-for-the-muslim-minority-of-india/
https://www.brownpundits.com/2026/04/29/you-cannot-demolish-his-mosque-and-claim-his-high-culture/
Israel does not have Arabic as an official language.
US does not have Comanche, Iroquois etc as an official language either.
Not the same in India.
And that is just one aspect. Cuisine as we have been debating. And so much else.
You yourself have admitted the spirit is “mixed”. The land plus part of the spirit is a way stronger claim than just a part of the spirit.
More than that many of the bengali muslims who are the maids and workers in rest of India, who at time are rounded up under suspicion of being bangladeshi come from here.
In all fairness, what holds Bengal today are construction sites and offices in Bangalore, Mumbai, hyderbad, and madras.
Malda labour as they are called are hardworking and their mistries and supervisors are hyper arguementative!!!