Why the Steppe Theory of PIE Origins is likely to be wrong

In the last post by Razib, there is a lot of psycho-analysing being done by various commentators about what motivates Indians to deny AIT/AMT and support OIT. The underlying assumption being AIT/AMT is gospel truth. But is it so ? And if it is not, questioning the theory and bringing up facts that don’t support this theory should be looked at and discussed in a healthy debate.

Let me in the spirit of that debate share some pieces of evidence that massively undermine the Steppe PIE origin theory and also manages to indicate a possible SC Asian connection & migration to the steppe that is of the pre-Yamnaya stage.

 

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Settler Colonialism and Permanent Settlement

I just read a short but very thought provoking article by Will Dalrymple in the Spectator website (https://spectator.us/algeria-current-colonization/). Some people may find the article a bit off-character from Dalrymple because here he provides a critique of all sort of colonialism and imperialism in history, including Muslim. Anyway, there are several interesting points in the article but I found a particular point very fascinating because although the implication seems huge in history of the Sub-continent, I haven’t much thought about it before. Without further ado,

“In the bloody 1954-62 War of Independence which ended French rule in Algeria, perhaps as many as 25,000 French and one million Algerians lost their lives in Franco-Algerian fighting, a terrible tale brilliantly told in Alistair Horne’s classic study A Savage War of Peace. In contrast, despite horrific death tolls in Hindu-Muslim violence at Partition and the creation of Muslim-only Pakistan, only seven Brits lost their lives in 1947 during the British decolonization of South Asia. The man to thank for this, more than anyone, is probably Lord Cornwallis, the British general who received such an unfair caricature in the Mel Gibson movie The Patriot. Having surrendered British forces in America to Washington at Yorktown in 1781, Cornwallis was recruited by the East India Company to make sure the same never happened in British India. He achieved this by enacting one simple law which made it illegal, except in very exceptional cases such as indigo plantations or hill stations, for British individuals ever to own land in India. This meant no settler class developed, as in the 13 American Colonies or French Algeria. As a result, in 1947, the last British officials were able to board their ships in Bombay harbor with little more than a backward glance, a regretful shrug and a rush to buy leafy bungalows in Tunbridge Wells.”

 

How to understand a people

On my other weblog a long post on how one shouldn’t reduced a group as simply an agent in another civilization’s history, The Native And The Coconut Civilization. This is relevant to some discussions on this weblog: some aspects of Indian/Hindu thought are simply viewed as reflections of Western history and ideas. Obvio

Review: The Anarchy, by WIlliam Dalrymple

The glossary at the end gives two meanings for “Alam” – the world, and the battle standard used in Muharram by Shi’as. In fact, these are two different words: ‘aalam عالم = world ‘alam علم = standard BTW, ‘alam refers to battle standards in general.

Also in the glossary, “firangi” is translated as “foreigner”. In fact, the term refers only to Europeans, and is derived from “Frank”. Non-European, non-white foreigners would never be called “firangi”..

A truly startling error in the translation of the term “Id” عید in the glossary, which says that “Id-ul-Zuha” (actually “Id-al-Azha”) “commemorates the delivery of Isaac”. Muslims celebrate the deliverance of Isma’il (Ishmael), NOT Isaac…..

Again in the glossary, “Masnavi” is defined as “Persian or Urdu love lyric”, which is incorrect. “Masnavi” refers purely to the form of a poem, where both lines of each couplet rhyme with each other but each couplet has its own rhyme…..

The term comes from “ithnan”, the Arabic word for “two”, indicating the dual rhyme pattern. The most famous Masnavi in the world – by Rumi – is emphatically NOT a “love lyric”. The Shahnameh of Ferdowsi is also a masnavi, but not a love lyric…..

There are fanous masnavis in Persian by Nizami, Khusraw, Jami and many others. In Urdu by Mir Hasan, Daya Shankar Naseem and Nawab Mirza Shaoq. All these great masnavis are book length poems, which is the typical use of this genre …..

“Muharram” is not a “great Shi’a festival”; it is the first month of the Islamic calendar. Shi’as (and many Sunnis) mourn the martyrdom of Inam Hussain in this month, but not as a “celebration” and certainly not with “gusto”! It is a solemn – if often passionate – occasion…..

There are many short masnavis in Urdu, notably Iqbal’s “Saqi Nama”. Ghalib wrote a whimsical masnavi on mangoes, and another one complaining about his financial problems. Offhand, I can’t think of any masnavis that can be considered love lyrics, though there must be some….

 

 

Pigmentation SNPs by population

I used the clustering and frequency feature in plink to get minor allele frequencies in 1000 Genomes + Sintashta. Since I did the Sintashta separately earlier you may have to flip the frequency. Use ccommon sen

Genetics, history, and identity in South Asia

In light of all the posts on Indian genetics, and my soon-to-be conversation with Vagheesh Narasimhan, I thought I would lay out some things in a single post rather than scattering across comments.

* I dislike the political/tribal valences of questions about South Asian genetic and cultural history. As an American, I’m very detached from the whole thing. As someone with an Islam-skeptic view (I have posted my sketches of Muhammad being sodomized by a camel on this weblog), I also am not someone who thinks that the Muslim impact on India was wholly good. Some of you lower IQ Hindu nationalists detect an Islamic subtext in my comments…but you just stupid and biased (which is OK, since most people are stupid, and everyone is biased). What you are detecting is that I generally find some of the anti-Islamic perspectives of Hindu nationalists ahistorical as well, and, strangely almost enslaved and haunted by Islam.

For example, while some Hindu nationalists linger on the violent and avaricious nature of the Turks and its impact on India as sui generis, I am quite amazed the more I think about it and read about it that Indian religio-cultural systems persisted so robustly. Islam is nothing special, just a flavor of another thing.

* As someone of the Right, I am not a fan of Marxism, though some Marxist analysis and historiography is useful. That being said, some on the Indian Left, Marxist and not, seem to support the migration-narrative for the “wrong reasons.” This includes some Indian scientists I follow on Twitter.

It’s pretty depressing when biologists spread scientific results not because the results themselves were interesting, but because of second-order impacts on internecine political arguments. Those second-order impacts happen to be that for whatever reason the Hindu Right as adhered itself to a set of positions that are difficult to support empirically, which have only ethereal and tenuous connections to Hindu nationalism.

Though I am probably more suspicious of Marxism than most, I am also not someone who thinks all Hindu nationalists are Nazi and that that position is ipso facto illegitimate. Not all positions and ideologies I disagree with are illegitimate. 

* The empirical data on migration of large numbers of pastoralists into South Asia between 2000 and 1500 BC seems very strong now. Before 2010 I assumed that something like this happened, but that it was a matter of a few percents. That is, I had assumed that the Indo-Aryan migration was likely as demographically impactful as the Magyar conquest of modern Hungary. Not very.

In 2009 Reconstructing Indian History was published. I also began examing genome-wide data myself. In short, South Asians were way too “West Eurasian” in relation to my earlier assumptions. I didn’t know what to make of it. Reconstructing Indian History presented a model where there had been a massive admixture between “Ancestral North Indians” and “Ancestral South Indians.” In personal communication of the authors explained just how similar “ANI” was to other West Eurasians (pairwise Fst). It seemed then that the admixture had happened during the Holocene.

* Looking at packages like Treemix and Admixture as 2010 progressed many were arguing that ANI was two populations. I saw it myself in my analyses. Follow-ups from the Reich lab confirmed this hunch. Some South Indian populations shared drift with Georgians/Armenians, while some North Indian populations (e.g., UP Brahmins) shared a lot of drift with Northeast Europeans and ancient steppe people.

* Model-based analyses today suggest that 10-15% of the ancestry of modern South Asians is “steppe.” In some groups, it is nearly 30% (Jatts, Kalash, some North Indian Brahmins). This is a huge demographic impact.

Like many of the authors, the confluence of linguistic affinities between Eastern Europeans and Indo-Aryans and the genetic affinities point to a recently shared origin. As South Asians have ancestry components (AHG in particular) that Eastern Europeans do not, the most parsimonious explanation is that Eastern Europeans or their ancestors are a donor population to South Asians.

 

Sometimes we don’t need to talk about it

In millennial media there is the “We Need to Talk About” genre of “think-piece.” Quite often it’s navel-gazing

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