Trump Has Birthed Eurasia

I’ve been busy, but I can’t shake the feeling that we’re living through the beginning of a new world.

It was acute with the SCO summit; not just through the headlines, but the atmospherics. The handshakes, the body language, the ease. It’s the kind of thing that barely registered in Western media, but Modi’s presence, standing shoulder to shoulder with Xi, Putin, and Pezeshkian, felt like the curtain rising on a new geopolitical epoch.

And at the center of it all? Donald J. Trump. Not by design, of course. But by consequence.


🔥 The Modi Factor

Let’s go back. Trump has repeatedly humiliated Narendra Modi and India (dead economy?), which needless to say has been silly

But Modi is not reacting emotionally. People misunderstand him if they think this is about pride or vanity. Modi represents Bharat, and he has embodied the Indian state in a way no U.S. president has embodied theirs. Certainly not Trump; who, let’s be clear, represents a dynasty, not a republic.

India’s response is cold, calculated, and strategic. Just like China’s response to U.S. tariffs; not dramatic, but exacting. What you’re seeing is Indian foreign policy in action: no more playing second fiddle, no more being pushed around.

And where does India go to send that message?

To the SCO; a Eurasian forum that now rivals the G7, the G20, and even the UN in symbolic power. A group previously seen as a Chinese pet project now hosts four ancient civilizational cores:

  • China, with its Confucian-rooted technocracy.

  • India, representing the vibrancy of the Indic world.

  • Russia, the ever-restless Orthodox power tired of playing junior partner to Europe.

  • The Islamic world, through the Persianate axis (the Stans) and others; heirs to centuries of Islamic governance from Andalusia to Delhi.

This is not the Global South. This is Eurasia; a civilizational axis with spiritual, historical, and strategic ballast.


⚙️ Trump as the Unwitting Architect

Trump doesn’t care for the so-called “liberal international order.” As Steve Bannon once said, America’s future lies in hemispheric dominance — that is, North and South America, not Europe or Asia. Trump’s America First policy is in fact America Alone.

By retreating from Asia and deriding traditional allies, Trump has unshackled Eurasia.

Europe, ravaged by two world wars and saved only by U.S. military might, now finds itself increasingly irrelevant. It cannot counterbalance China. It cannot contain Russia. And most damaging of all, Asia remembers.

Every major Asian civilization has tasted European humiliation:

  • India under British scientific colonialism.

  • China under opium and unequal treaties.

  • The Islamic world carved into mandates and protectorates.

These weren’t just occupations; they were ideologically justified rational subjugations, executed in the name of “progress,” “civilization,” or “science.” Western imperialism was unique in that it was rational; it claimed moral superiority even while enslaving.

Now the tables are turning. In the late-stage decadence of the West, moral certainty has given way to emotional spasms. Its elites oscillate between performative outrage and hollow virtue-signaling. Even Elon Musk’s erratic tantrums feel like the empire’s dying breaths.

Meanwhile, the East, China, India, Russia (?), Iran, has gone cold, calculating, and unemotional. Transactional, not evangelical. They don’t preach; they trade.


🧭 India Chooses Asia

For the last decade, India played both fields. It flirted with the Quad, spoke of the Indo-Pacific, nodded toward NATO-lite partnerships. But the insults have piled up. The hypocrisy has become harder to ignore. And with the SCO, a line has quietly been crossed.

India isn’t Western.

And increasingly, it doesn’t want to be.

It wants to be Asian; and to be treated as a hegemonic power (Pakistan dances around like a bee and stings like a butterfly).

Modi’s embrace of the SCO is not just a snub to Washington. It is a declaration that Asia will no longer be junior. And unlike Western-led forums, the SCO doesn’t come with lectures on human rights, carbon targets, or gender parity. China makes no pretenses; its diplomacy is pragmatic, non-judgmental, and brutally self-interested. For most of Asia, that’s refreshingly honest.


🧨 The Eurasian Century Begins

So what now?

If the 19th century belonged to Europe, and the 20th to America, then the 21st may well belong to Eurasia; not just as a region, but as a civilizational idea (Russia has already made that decision to be a first rate Eurasian rather than a second rate European power). A web of ancient powers, reconnecting, reconfiguring, and finally rising together.

And the man who inadvertently brought this about?

Donald Trump; the unlikely midwife of a Eurasian century!

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sbarrkum
3 months ago

A death knell for cost effective industry in Germany.

that will carry 50 billion cubic meters (bcm) of natural gas every year through Mongolia into northern China’s industrial heartland.

For decades, this gas was the bedrock of German and Western European industry, piped from Russia’s Yamal fields in the Arctic through Nord Stream 1 directly into Germany. Now, that same supply is being redirected east.

Unlike POS1, (Power of Siberia) which sources Russia’s Asian-facing fields, POS2 will draw gas from Arctic reserves that once fed Europe’s factories. In other words, it closes the chapter of Europe as the main customer for Russian gas and hard-wires China as the new anchor market.

https://www.rt.com/russia/623976-power-siberia-gas-china/

sbarrkum
3 months ago

The bond is such that the daughter and granddaughter of the Flying Tigers’ founder are among the few Americans invited to Wednesday’s military parade in Beijing commemorating the end of World War II. 

The KEY point is the Chinese DONT FORGET

Note: Use of the word Mercenary showing the severe bias of CNN.  Most other Western mercenaries are called contractors.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/31/china/flying-tigers-americans-china-world-war-two-intl-hnk-ml 

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Sure, they don’t forget, just rewrite history to suit themselves.

They should be honouring Taiwan, the last bastion of the KMT who actually fought the Japanese in WW2, the CCP did next to nothing.

Instead the Taiwanese are readying themselves in every way possible to prevent a take over.

https://thediplomat.com/2014/09/the-ccp-didnt-fight-imperial-japan-the-kmt-did/

This is not some imperialist or colonial history version, there is a letter from Zhou Enlai to Stalin in January 1940 corroborating this.

sbarrkum
3 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

I think you need to read the bigger picture instead of just a article written by a US stooge Zachary Keck

Very clear that the article is US imperialist history version when you go thru Zachary Kecks credentials

To quote
Zachary Keck has worked on nuclear issues across government, think tanks, and media. In Congress, he was a Professional Staff Member for the House Foreign Affairs Committee, including for the Subcommittee on Nonproliferation.

Zachary Keck has a LinkedIn. Very clear pushing the US view

https://www.linkedin.com/in/zachary-keck-56774719/

Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

“possibly a Jew”– Let’s not be antisemitic please.

sbarrkum
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

I am from an Evangelical Christian background,

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Sure, attack the person, not the argument. That article is actually pretty kind to the CCP, ask the Japanese and they will say the CCP collaborated supplying them Intel to crush the KMT.
That’s kind of hard to prove now, but seems plausible.
My point was more about the Chinese remember the history as it suits them.

sbarrkum
3 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Sure, attack the person, not the argument
The arguments of a Full Time Member
of United States House Committee on Foreign Affairs are suspect as propaganda

Zachary Keck has been a full time member since 2019.
He is a US govt hack for many years..

Indosaurus
Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Take 2 ad hominem, (call your doctor if symptoms persist).

Var
Var
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

They did mention them. It’s not their fault RoC on Taiwan stopped doing these commemorations to the degree they also used to.

And facts of history are clear, KMT was FORCED (Literally Abducted Chiang) to fight Japanese invasion.

It’s also a fact that KMT was the OFFICIAL Govt of RoC hence had the Official duty of mounting this defense.

PLA was 1/10 (even smaller in early to mid 1920s) the size of Nationalist Military and hence fought in the ways according to their Scale.

Xi Jinping’s speech on this 80th Anniversary clearly mentions & references it being a ALL Chinese defense against Japanese war.

Plus Victors have legitimacy by right of Objective Reality, i.e. CPC won against the KMT. They are the custodians of Chinese State, they set the agenda. This is how it goes.

On the context of what KMT was doing to a tiny CPC during Sino-Japanese war the contribution of CPC was more than enough.

Relative analogous is Indian Independence, INC & Indian State created/used/peddled a certain Narrative (about glorious Freedom Fighters, struggle & all that), which wasn’t fiction indeed HOWEVER the contextual scale of it was also different in the sense the British simply LEFT. There was no Forced Removal of them.

Meaning even in that case the Victors (by default of having outlasted the tired Oppressors) have the right to tell their story of overcoming what they had to face. They set the agenda. Attempting to Grade Freedom fighters like some Anime Rank chart is a fools errand. People/Groups did what they could relative to their capacity under the circumstances they were under.

And once Freedom is won, they set the agenda.

Last edited 2 months ago by Var
Kabir
3 months ago

“There is a Pakistan problem in India’s China policy: Jabin T. Jacob|Latitude”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOvOqGtFDA

What did India really get out of the SCO? Yes, Pahalgam was mentioned in the joint statement but so were Jaffer Express and Khuzdar. If India thinks it can use SCO to bash Pakistan that’s not going to happen.

brown
brown
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

probably telling all that indians are as unpredictable as any orange top.

Pandit Brown
Pandit Brown
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

India’s current policy is not to find excuses to bash Pakistan, but to ignore it as much as possible. Usually, it can successfully do that, except if there’s a terrorist attacks that has all the hallmarks of being sponsored by a Pakistan-based jihadi group.

As far as I can see, India had zero agenda w.r.t. Pakistan at the SCO. This is a conference that’s annually attended by Indian officials, so this year hardly broke new ground.

Modi would ordinarily not attend but instead send Jaishankar or Doval or someone else. He chose to attend this time I think (1) to send a signal to the US; his chumminess with Putin, in particular, was meant to convey this, and (2) to tentatively explore a detante with Xi. Both succeeded to some extent, I think.

Of course, also note that Modi didn’t stay on for the parade, perhaps because he didn’t want to send a wrong signal to the Japanese, with whom he’s on good terms too.

Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Pandit Brown

Your foreign secretary (Misri) is on record saying that India’s agenda at the SCO was to bring up “terrorism”. Indians are very proud that Pahalgam (for which there is still no evidence that Pakistan was involved) was mentioned in the joint statement. Pakistanis will counter that we got Jaffer Express and Khuzdar (which we believe were acts of India-sponsored terrorism) mentioned in the statement as well so this was hardly a victory for India. As far as SCO is concerned, Pakistan sponsors terror in India and India sponsors terror in Pakistan. So it’s a wash.

More importantly, the main country behind SCO is China. China is Pakistan’s “all weather friend”. So India will not be able to use SCO against Pakistan.

Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

India is very proud that Pahalgam was mentioned in the joint statement. As I noted above, Pakistan got Jaffer Express and Khuzdar mentioned in that statement as well. So this not a victory for India. The International Community believes that Pakistan destabilizes India and India destabilizes Pakistan. Neither country has the moral high ground.

China is the leader of SCO. China is clearly allied with Pakistan. India will not be able to do much against us.

Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Your foreign secretary literally said that India’s objective at the SCO was to bring up “terrorism”. India is celebrating getting Pahalgam in the joint statement. Never mind that we got Khuzdar and Jaffer Express in it.

It is perfectly normal to be concerned about a hostile nation’s designs against you. That is why Pakistanis are concerned about India’s diplomatic moves in the neighborhood.

“Pakistan literally does not matter to India”– I’m sorry, your country’s entire South Asia policy is focused on “isolating Pakistan”. So your statement that Pakistan doesn’t matter to India is clearly absurd. Even at the SCO, every country other than India is excited about the Belt and Road Initiative. It is India that is fairly isolated in South Asia.

Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Once again, it was Vikram Misri that said that India’s objective was to bring up “terrorism”. If you disagree with this, please by all means take it up with your own foreign secretary.

My larger point remains valid. China is the leading light of the SCO. China is Pakistan’s “all weather friend”. PM Sharif is still in China as I write this working on enhancing CPEC. So If India wants to use SCO for anti-Pakistan purposes, sorry but China and other other countries involved in SCO will never let that happen.

Please introspect about why literally every country in South Asia dislikes you. A country that thinks it is the regional hegemon is not going to make a lot of friends.

Last edited 3 months ago by Kabir
bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

This is again a case of Pakistanis trying to make themselves “sem2sem” with India while the reality is that their economy is smaller than Bangladesh’s.

Same with cricket where India is winning trophies while Pakistan keeps losing to the likes of Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

India has literally no interest in Pakistan save for stopping terrorism. And since China has now made up with India, China will keep Pakistan on its leash (and Pakistan can focus on its internal insurgencies which encompass more than half the country) which is fine by India.

India can keep growing at 6-7% like it has and Pakistan can keep growing at 2-3% like it has.

India does not need to think it is the regional hegemon. It IS the regional hegemon. India’s economy is 80% of the entire Indian subcontinent.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

India is 80% of “South Asia’s GDP”. India IS “South Asia” just like the USA IS “North America”.

You will notice all of the media attention was on India, Russia, China. No one mentioned Pakistan.

Pakistan is not on the same “league” as India even if it may hurt Pakistanis to admit it. They are on the level of Bangladesh etc.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

Pakistan is the Muslim world’s only nuclear power. We are not “on the level of Bangladesh”.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yeah, you are right. You are lesser than Bangladesh considering they have a bigger economy which is growing even bigger wrt to Pakistan.

Being the “muslim world’s” only nuclear power doesn’t meant shit considering the “muslim world” is hardly that powerful on the global stage.

I mean North Korea is a nuclear power while South Korea isn’t. I know which one is more important to the world.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

Honey Singh is that you?

If you’re not Honey you’re another anti-Pakistan troll.

You sound pretty deranged.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Why is Honey Singh allowed to post here? I thought he was banned?

The man hacked into my email. That crosses a lot of boundaries.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

China and India are the 1st and 2nd biggest economies in Asia. Pakistan is the 20th behind countries like Philippines, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Vietnam etc.

India has no interest in Pakistan as long as Pakistan doesn’t cause terrorist activities in India. Now that India and China have made up, China will keep Pakistan on its leash.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

bb – Unfortunately this site is haunted by an attention Bethal which will keep squawking the same inanities repeatedly until it gets some.

Now that you have engaged it, it will fly down and haunt you for a bit. Once in a while XTM has to perform a purification ritual.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

I am just as entitled to my political views as you are.

This blog is not your personal property.

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

The spelling of ‘Bethal’ betrays a bit about what region of India the IndoSaurus hails from 🙂

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Does it? I just transliterated the DD Vikram-Bethal.

Vetala, I understand is a Konkan coast demi-god.
In the same way Bhoot is a Tulu demi god.

Even Pisacha is an ancient lost language of a dead race.

It seems all the popular Indian ghosts/demons used to be gods of some tribe or the other.

The Asuras too have a linguistic cognate with the Zoroastrian Ahura Mazada.

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I think it is just a common theme to demonize the other. A lot of ‘satanic’ attributes in christianity are just pagan, Satans horns and goats legs are probably from Pan (who was a god popular in rural areas and would have held out much longer against christianity). Meanwhile the pagan festivals of solstice and equinox were co-opted as Christmas and Easter.

Likewise I don’t doubt Hinduism both co-opted other gods and demonized them. As there isn’t a determined evangelistic eradication we still get to see the remnants of both forms. 

Yes the Zorastrian(Persian) side has Ahura as a god and Daeva as the antagonists pointing to a very early split (another reason for IVC = Aryan – as Ahura and Daeva are not present amongst steppe people).

Devil however comes from some greek word and is unconnected to Deva/Devi, the latin being Diablos, so the Dharmic is not the antagonist to the Abrahamic, at least not anymore than any other religion of the classical era (Pagan).
Etymologically Deva(Sanskrit) – Theos(Greek) – Deus(Latin) -> Catholic god (co-option).

Lots of attempts to reconcile the Abrahamic – Dharmic divide too. Isn’t Bahai one such movement?

Daves
Daves
2 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

ah ok. I have noticed that Indians further north would more likely spell it ‘Betaal’ – and southerners often use ‘th’ instead of the ‘t’ – whats more natural to one is…different for the other…

Indosaurus
2 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Ah, yes. Well you aren’t wrong. I do find ‘th’ spellings far easier on the mental ear than the harsher ‘t’.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

India’s entire South Asia policy is based on “isolating Pakistan”. This is not my opinion. Many of India’s own analysts have noted this fact.

All I’m trying to say is that “isolating Pakistan” isn’t working out so well. SCO is a China centered organization. China is Pakistan’s “all weather friend”.

“Now that India and China have made up”– Your own analysts have noted that a perfunctory meeting and a few hugs do not constitute a foreign policy. China is Pakistan’s ally not India’s. Next time there is a war, Chinese weapons and support will once again destroy your planes.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yeah, and have air bases and cities destroyed by INDIAN missiles. 😉

“Isolating Pakistan” has already worked well. Pakistan is one of the poorest most backwards countries in the world with a horrible passport and considering the anemic growth rates, will remain so for the forseeable future. Not to mention the raging insurgencies going on in more than half the country where BLA/TTP kill off Pakistani army/police every day.

Pakistan is not China’s “all weather friend”. Pakistan is China’s pet. Do not confuse the two.

Why was “all weather friend” not a part of the bonhomie between Modi, Xi and Putin? Why did the international media not even cover Pakistan but did India?

Reality is India and Pakistan are different countries. Pakistan is a small rentier state. It needs clients like China/USA to give them planes and weapons etc.

India is on a completely different trajectory. Soon to be the world’s 3rd largest economy (within a year or so) growing at a solid 6-7% (Q1 25 GDP growth was 7.8%), it will emerge as the third pole within 15-20 years. It already is on its way achieving self sufficiency in a lot of things – like the local made Brahmos that burnt Pakistani cities and air bases to the ground.

Hence entire American media is reporting on it. No mention of “all weather friend” Pakistan. They are just not important.

CNN – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEBO4H36wn8
Fox – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfxERvu-248
CBC – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDe0pkXB1IA
France 24 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDe0pkXB1IA

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

I live in Pakistan. No Pakistani cities were “burnt to the ground”.

You need to get out of your delusional thinking.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

I mean there is ample footage on social media of Pakistani posters themselves broadcasting all the missile hits.

Pakistan themselves have admitted to losses in the airbases (and those are the admitted ones).

The videos/images of the funerals are all over social media.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

You used the phrase “burnt to the ground”. That didn’t happen.

Take a look at the upper class parts of Lahore. People are shopping like there is no tomorrow. We are perfectly fine.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

“Upper class” parts of Lahore are not all of Pakistan.

And “upper class” Lahore would barely be “upper middle class” in India.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

You’ve never been to Lahore DHA so you have absolutely zero idea what kind of wealth we have.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

What’s insulting about noting that Bombay Badsha doesn’t seem to have any first hand experience of Lahore DHA?

One visit would show the enormous amount of wealth that upper class Pakistanis possess.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

It’s offensive to point out that India is not a first world country? That’s a fact of reality.

Indians that act as if they live in some super wealthy country compared to Pakistan are being delusional. India’s per capita income is $2,880. Pakistan’s per capita income is $1,485. Neither are first world countries. The difference is that Pakistanis don’t delude ourselves that we are a global power.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

That is still nearly twice the pci.

And remember India is growing at a much faster rate so that gap will grow even more.

And there a lot of Pakistanis who act as if India and Pakistan are “sem2sem” which they are not.

Pakistanis like to take solace in the fact that BOTH are not “first world countries” but countries are not divided into 2-3 categories. There is a gradation.

India IS richer and getting even more richer.

And ofc, India has like 6 times more people so that is compounded further.

And India IS a global power no matter how Pakistanis like to deny. They are not a superpower but they are on the 2nd tier of powers and will ascend to the first tier in 20-25 years.

India is the 4th biggest economy in the world, soon to be 3rd. Pakistan is the 41st. That is a huge difference.

Power derives from size.

There are heaps of countries richer than China pci wise and tbh even some more than the USA. None of those are global powers.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

No offense, Kabir.

But Pakistan is one of the poorest countries in the world – all statistics by neutral sources show this.

Now I don’t disagree that a country of 250 million will have an elite.

But even that would not be comparable to the much richer and much bigger Indian elite.

And even then I wouldn’t boast about India being a rich country because it is not (although richer than Pakistan).

According to Forbes, India has 205 billionaires (no 3 in the world) while Pakistan has zero.

https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

So please spare me if I don’t believe that Lahore DHA is even on the levels of places like Malabar Hill in Bombay, Jor Bagh in Delhi, Indira Nagar in Bangalore etc where actual dollar billionaires live.

Heck I am pretty sure tier 2 cities like Pune, Ahmedabad etc will have better areas considering that richer people live there vis a visa anywhere in Pakistan and those cities have bigger economies and metro systems.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

I’ve cited the per capita incomes of India and Pakistan above. You don’t live in a first world country. That’s an objective fact.

I’m actually a citizen of a first world country and grew up in one.

I’m leaving this increasingly inane conversation here.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kabir
bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

I do live in a first world country and am a citizen of it too.

And way more Indians are citizens/residents of that first world country compared to Pakistanis and they tend to be richer and in more prominent positions.

So your bragging makes no sense considering even there Indians have you beat.

And the per capita incomes you have cited clearly show India is twice as rich as Pakistan. That is an OBJECTIVE FACT.

Not to forget India having 5-6x more people so that is even more compounded. That is an OBJECTIVE FACT.

Also remember, India is growing way faster than Pakistan so that 2x will keep growing. That is an OBJECTIVE FACT.

In fact Pakistan is being left behind by the rest of the world.

The South Asian cohort is already 15-20 years ahead and now the sub-saharan African cohort Pakistan finds herself in is also advancing fast.

India-Pakistan is like USA-Italy or China-Indonesia.

12xish GDP differential. 2xish GDP pci differential.

In 20-25 years it will be 20-25x GDP and 4-5x GDP pci.

Last edited 2 months ago by Bombay Badshah
Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

Grow up. Your delusions of grandeur don’t change the fact that most of your countrymen are dirt poor and can’t find two square meals a day.

Last edited 2 months ago by Kabir
bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Considering India has lower poverty rates than Pakistan, even more Paksitanis (as a percentage of the population) are dirt poorER and can’t find even one square meal a day.

In fact, India’s middle class population is bigger than the entirety of Pakistan’s population.

It is YOU with delusions of grandeur.

You seem to be one of those old Pakistanis still living in denial about where the two countries are. India’s poverty rates fell below Pakistan’s many years back (and decreasing faster).

https://worldpoverty.io/

According to this, only 1% of India’s population is in extreme poverty while 4% of Pakistan’s is.

Pakistan has lower GDP pci/HDI than sub-saharan African countries like Cameroon, Senegal, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Ghana etc.

India has “only” 2x GDP pci compared to Pakistan. You know how long it will take Paksitan to reach that GDP pci with their current growth rates?

THIRTY FIVE YEARS

Hahahahahah

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

Both India and Pakistan are poor countries. Instead of focusing on that, you want to gloat about how relatively better India is doing than Pakistan.

You are an anti-Pakistan troll and you’re not adding anything to the discourse on this site.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Saying both are “poor” is just “sem2sem” cope.

Both Pakistan and Afghanistan are “poor”. Are they “sem2sem”?

Thing is there is a gap which cannot be denied.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

I never used the phrase “sem2sem”.

You seem to have no grasp of argumentation and your rhetoric is increasingly juvenile.

Bottom line is India is not a first world country. Neither is Pakistan but we don’t have delusions about being a superpower.

You have a one track agenda on this site and it is to troll Pakistan. It’s getting increasingly tiresome.

sbarrkum
3 months ago

Kabir says
“possibly a Jew”– Let’s not be antisemitic please

Whats Anti Semitic identifying a person as a Jew.
Is it Anti Islamist to identify you Kabir as Muslim

XTM, are you of Jewish origin. Many of your names or pseudonyms have Jewish connection. Plus you claim to be a Zionist

Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  sbarrkum

Singling out a person’s religion comes across as bigoted.

I have no problem with criticism of people’s political ideologies. Zionist is an appropriate criticism. Gratuitously mentioning someone’s religion is a different thing.

Kabir
3 months ago

“The Sino-Indian Rapprochement Is More Than Just a Response to Trump” by Christophe Jaffrelot

https://thewire.in/diplomacy/china-india-rapprochement-more-than-just-a-response-to-trump

Kabir
3 months ago

“The Long Shadow of the SCO: Indian Diplomacy Needs Maturity, Not Theatrics” by Ashutosh Bhardwaj

In such an environment, Indian diplomacy requires maturity, not theatrics. The optics of fervent hugs and staged laughter may please domestic audiences, but they do little to strengthen India’s position abroad. What India needs is a sober, clinical analysis of foreign policy by independent voices capable of exposing the triumphalist noise amplified by a pliant press.

There may indeed be a recalibration underway in Sino-Indian relations. But to mistake this for a reset – or, worse, a return to normalcy – is to indulge in the very self-deception the Modi government has practiced in the last decade, leaving India increasingly vulnerable.

Kabir
2 months ago

“Blindsided by Trump, Modi is learning hard lessons about India’s place in the new world order” by Mukul Kesavan

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/sep/06/modi-trump-india-new-world-order

The fact is, India isn’t rich enough or white enough or English-speaking enough to be a charter member of either the west or the anglophone world. Modi’s mandarins forgot that – outside the charmed circle of the west – the US doesn’t have allies, it has clients. Trump’s decision to further raise tariffs on India out of resentment was a reminder that US presidents have often seen India as either a supplicant or a nuisance or both.

Pundits argue that Trump is a maverick, that the Indo-US relationship is too important both economically and geopolitically for this froideur to last. It’s much more likely that Trump is ahead of the curve, that he is saying out loud what other western leaders are still too constrained by liberal convention to utter.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

A $4.2 trillion economy with 6-7% growth rate begs to differ.

Pakistanis like Kabir here seek solace in 70 year old fogeys like Kesavan who grew up in a very different India which has shaped their minds.

Trump is insane.

The EU is talking FTAs. China and Russia are courting India. UK has already done an FTA.

Pakistanis (especially boomers who grew up with both countries being poor) have severe reality checks coming over the upcoming years as the economies diverge further. Chandrayaan-II was an epic reality check. More coming over the years (India’s hsoted Olympics will be a sharp shock to the system for one).

GenZ Pakistanis tend to be more level headed as they have always seen an inferior Pakistan vis a vis India (cricket, economy etc).

Pakistan is a middling Asian country on the level of countries like Bangladesh, Philippines etc. Tbh even those countries are richer and growing faster, opening up a gap.

Pakistan will soon be to South Asia what North Korea is to East Asia. An extremely impoverished poor country amongst richer ones, albeit with nuclear weapons.

Kabir
2 months ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

North Korea is not part of the mainstream global economy.

You have serious Pakistan Derangement Syndrome. Please take a look at how upper class Pakistanis live in Lahore and Karachi.

Lahore DHA is full of mansions. Indian Army people wish they could live as well.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Even Pakistan is not part of the mainstream global economy.

Upper class in Lahore and Karachi is a very minuscule part of the Pakistani population. And even they are not on the levels of the Indian rich, many of whom are actually now part of the international global elite.

Pakistan doesn’t have any companies in the global fortune 500 or dolalr billionaires or tech unicorns while India has multiple.

Even then, I won’t say India is a rich country because the vast majority are still poor.

Pakistan is one of the poorest countries in the world behind many sub-saharan African countries like Zimbabwe, Kenya etc. Forgot the Asian cohort of India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Philippines etc who are 15-20 years ahead.

Check out the attached image. Pakistan is in between countries like Tanzania, Lesotho, Senegal, Gambia, Congo etc. You can’t even see the other South Asian countries cause they are so far ahead.

Thing is Pakistan is not just your “rich” part of Lahore and Karachi. The vast majority are poor and are reeling from either insurgencies in Balochistan/KPK or floods in Punjab.

Pakistan army being richer than Indian army isn’t the win you think it is lol.

Pakistan army fails at it’s main job as is evident from Balochistan and KPK currently, not to mention beating up democratically elected leaders.

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Illiterotard
Illiterotard
2 months ago

What a beautiful circle of history— first Europeans give rise to America, then America gives rise to modern Europe!

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago

One interesting thing I realized with ’s GDP pci comparison is the new “cope” Pakistanis tell themselves to feel good.

That India “only” has twice the GDP pci of Pakistan.

Neglecting the facts:

  1. India has “only” 12x the GDP
  2. India’s higher growth rates means this figure is constantly increasing. In 1995, Pakistan’s GDP pci was more than 2x India’s and India’s GDP was around 4-5x.

The USA has “only” twice the GDP pci of Italy. China has only “twice” the GDP pci of Thailand.

seems to be from the older generation of Pakistanis who can’t come to terms with the fact how far behind they have been left in the Indian subcontinent.

Let me give some more figures. India’s GDP might be “only” 12x that of Pakistan’s but everything else has way bigger ratios. Not so the case with say China-India where the ratio remains the same as the GDP ratio.

I assume it has to do with the fact that the military spends more leaving less for others.

Let’s start with the figures

FOREX RESERVES (in US $ millions)

694,230 vs 15,965 – “only” 44x

STOCK MARKET CAPS (in US $ billions)

5,500 vs 50 – “only” 110x

MOTOR VEHICLE PRODUCTION

6,014,691 vs 128,449 = “only” 47x

It has now become a joke on Indian social media that all videos of Pakistan involve people riding 70cc bikes, bikes which last were present in India when Rajiv Gandhi was the PM.

Pakistanis like will get to grow old watching India keep on rising while they stay in the same rut.

And they will keep consoling themselves by saying things like – India “only” thrice as richer, India “only” four times as richer and so on.

What a way to live.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
2 months ago

Trump falls in line.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115176472700835865

I am pleased to announce that India, and the United States of America, are continuing negotiations to address the Trade Barriers between our two Nations. I look forward to speaking with my very good friend, Prime Minister Modi, in the upcoming weeks. I feel certain that there will be no difficulty in coming to a successful conclusion for both of our Great Countries!

India is the swing state of the 21st century. Neither bloc will alienate it.

The 3rd largest economy in the world growing at 6.5-7% (can be even more. Q1 GDP growth was 7.8%).

By 2050, India will be on the lower end of the first world (current day Malaysia level) by the most conservative estimates but with a population of 1.7 billion, which would be more than China and USA combined at that point.

Last edited 2 months ago by Bombay Badshah
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