Kabir, the Anchor of the Crescent

Dissent Must Have a Home

The parent post set out why the house speaks in the plural and why pruning widens the room. This post sets out the harder discipline. A plural voice that cannot bind itself is not a voice. It is a whip. And a forum that cannot bind its Founders is not a forum. It is their salon.

The Crescent anchor.

When Brown Pundits was revived, two commentators returned before anyone else. Kabir was one of them. sbarrkum was the other. That mattered more than any traffic number. A forum lives by the return of people willing to argue in public, under their own names or their settled masks, on a schedule that does not flinch.

Kabir matters for a second reason. The Centre gathers quietly and often overlaps with the Saffron bench in instinct or historical frame. The Crescent bloc on this site is essentially held together by Kabir. Remove him and the others do not regroup under a new flag. They drift.

Without Kabir, Brown Pundits will become a site where Muslims are written about more than they are written by.

That is a failure mode we refuse. A South Asian forum without a sustained Crescent voice is a drawing room pretending to be a commons.

The 1940s in low resolution.

Stakes reduced to pixels and pride. Thankfully Nobody dies here. Which is precisely why the argument is worth preserving, and why the moderator’s hand should be lighter than the arguers sometimes deserve.

A century ago the same arguments produced two states and a million dead. A decade of this blog has produced two states of mind and zero dead. That is progress, even when it does not feel like it.

The value of the difficult voice.

Kabir is not valuable because he agrees with us. He rarely does. He is valuable because he returns, contests, and denies the Saffron bench the luxury of rhetorical walkovers. He is the gadfly this site earned, and the loyal opposition it did not know it needed.

Opposition is not a flaw in a public square. It is a load-bearing wall.

Three rulings.

One. Precedents do not apply to Author Threads. An Author manages their thread in its entirety. Our Precedents bind ours. They do not bind theirs. Admin reserves only the narrow right to intervene on racism, illegality, or conduct beyond common decency, and in egregious cases without notice. Short of that, the Author runs the room.

Two. Authors may set aside BP Precedents on their own posts. We moderate ours by Precedent. They moderate theirs both by choice and conscience. Readers will judge accordingly.

Three. Authors may exclude commenters from an open thread, provided the thread is named accordingly. “Kabir’s Open Thread on Iran.” The naming is the price of exclusion. No ambushes.

The cost to the admin.

Kabir has deleted our comments on his own threads. On the same threads, he has quoted our beta noire (all pun intended) approvingly, the one figure this site has formally placed under Precedent for bad faith.

The Founder goes to Trash. The persona non grata gets citation. Under the rulings above, both are his to make. We wrote the rule that protects them. That is not a flaw in the rule. That is the rule working. Freedom of expression is only real when it hurts the people who wrote it. This one hurts us. It will keep hurting us. Good.

A Founder who cannot be told no on another Author’s thread is not a Founder. He is a rentier landlord collecting rent on an argument he no longer owns.

The Indic centre, and its ceiling.

Our centre of gravity is Indic. Bharat Mata ki Jai (the very same slogan BB threatened Kabir with). We said so in the parent post and we will not pretend otherwise. But a centre heavy enough to hold must be light enough to let a Crescent Author run his own room without looking over his shoulder at us. Otherwise the centre is not a centre.

What Kabir gives us.

He gives us the argument. He gives the Saffron bench an opponent it must answer rather than caricature. He gives the Centre a reminder that neutrality is not absence. He gives readers the oldest democratic pleasure, which is watching strong disagreement conducted in words rather than force.

He gives Brown Pundits the thing that separates a living forum from a fan club. Someone who will not agree, will not leave, and will not be silenced by the people who own the keys.

The long game.

We will keep arguing with Kabir. He will keep deleting us. He will keep quoting people this site has disavowed. The rulings above are how we make all of that sustainable for another decade.

Kabir did not ask for this Precedent. He earned it the hard way.

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BombayBadshah
BombayBadshah
26 days ago

Question – If I make a post and replies via comment, can I interact with him by replying to his comments without it violating the non-interaction agreement?

Or should I just delete/edit it?

And he might, considering it might prick him. Remember – it was who started interacting with me first post the non-interaction agreement.

And he has made two posts (Jinnah and Muslim Power) on comments I made.

Unlike , I do not wish to ban anyone from my posts and wish to engage with them in the spirit of debate.

Naam de guerre
Naam de guerre
26 days ago
Reply to  BombayBadshah

My 2c – At this point, I think it is best to avoid any interaction with him. He brooks no disagreement with his vehement expression of his own views. I am no longer going to be interacting with him on this portal anymore. I have no interest in being talked down by Mr. Lookatmydegreesandpedigree.

From now on (if I decide to continue to be here), I will only respond to his histrionics through a post of my own.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  Naam de guerre

For the record, I have not blanket banned you from my posts. Right now that blanket ban only applies to two people.

If you take a civilized tone with me, I have no problem with your comments.

I do find it a bit ridiculous for someone to argue with someone on a topic that is clearly their field of specialization. If I were to argue with a computer engineer about computer engineering, that would be equally ridiculous.

Similarly, arguing with an ethnomusicologist about something which is clearly the subject of his research doesn’t make sense.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Yes, it is disingenuous to argue that Hindustani (North Indian) music specifically is not part of the syncretic Indo-Islamic culture.

Obviously the roots of all Indian classical music–both Hindustani and Carnatic– go back to the Natyashashtra. I’ve never denied that.

I’ve written about this here:

https://kabiraltaf.substack.com/p/a-brief-history-of-hindustani-music

Through his literary output, Khusrow represents one of the first recorded Indian personages with a true multicultural or pluralistic identity. He evolved a new style in music by mixing the Perso-Arabic and Turkish styles with those that the subcontinent had inherited from the past. Tradition credits him with introducing nearly a dozen Perso-Arabic and Turkish ragas such as “Yaman”. He is also supposed to have introduced many talas such as “Ada-Choutal” and “Qawali”. Finally, he is said to have invented the sitar (then known as the sehtar).

BombayBadshah
BombayBadshah
26 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Tbh lots of new Dhurandhars have sprung up here over the past few days so I can relax a bit.

Cue Hamza handing over the book to Rizwan.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I don’t wish to have any interaction with BB. I will not be commenting on his posts. Similarly, he is banned from mine.

It’s not easy to forget someone threatening to hold a gun to your head.

Kabir
25 days ago

Thanks XTM for the vote of confidence.

One thing that I do want to clarify: The problem with BB’s threat was not the slogan. Though I do find “Bharat Mata ki Jai” distasteful and fundamentally anti-Islamic (“Bharat Mata” is a mother goddess), if it had just been the slogan, I could have ignored it.

The threat to “infiltrate” Pakistan and hold a gun to my head is unforgivable.

Kabir
25 days ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I don’t have a problem with him making a post and mentioning publicly available comments that I’ve made. Just as I did with his “Jinnah was pure evil” comment.

BombayBadshah
BombayBadshah
25 days ago

I am currently not on my machine so have not been making posts.

Have a litany of posts which I will start posting once I get back.

The topics are roughly

Cricket – Vaibhav Sooryavanshi, Minorities in the Indian cricket team throughout the years (Multiple posts – one per religion and one summary post)

Movies – Thoughts on the past decade of Indian cinema and future trends, the Civil War in Bollywood

Plus some geopolitical/historical posts which I will keep a secret for now.

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