Hinduphobia Exists, But Pakistan Was Not Born from It

I was riffling through the comments and my jaw dropped when Kabir claimed Hinduphobia doesn’t exist. It struck me as both historically and emotionally tone-deaf. I didn’t respond at the time, but I’ve been reflecting on it since.

Let me say upfront: Hinduphobia does exist. It may not always manifest in overt violence or systemic persecution (at least not today, and not in most places globally), but it does appear in more insidious, ideological forms; especially in academic and diasporic discourse.

Take, for instance, the backlash against H1B visa recipients. Much of that criticism is coded; targeting upper-caste Indians, especially Hindus, who are the primary beneficiaries of this brain-drain dynamic. It’s not just about class or meritocracy; there’s an unspoken discomfort with their presence and success, often couched in progressive rhetoric.

On the intellectual front, academics like Audrey Truschke and others within the left-liberal Western consensus have regularly challenged or dismissed Hindu identity altogether; reducing it to political nationalism or caste oppression. This refusal to acknowledge Hinduism as a living, plural, and spiritual tradition creates an environment where Hindu self-articulation is delegitimized. That too is a form of Hinduphobia.

Now, is this Hinduphobia the same as the systemic anti-Muslim, anti-Black, or anti-immigrant hatred we see elsewhere? No. Hinduphobia today is more dismissive than violent, more erasure than exclusion, but it is real and it needs to be acknowledged.

Pakistan Was Not Born from Hinduphobia

That said, I do not believe Pakistan was born out of Hinduphobia.

There’s a tendency to project today’s communal flashpoints retroactively onto the Partition era. But the creation of Pakistan wasn’t, in essence, about hatred of Hinduism. It was about a Muslim quest for political and cultural self-determination; a reaction to modernity, colonial collapse, and fears of marginalization in a Hindu-majority democratic state.

Were there Hindu symbols and anxieties involved in the making of Muslim identity? Of course. But many elements of Muslim culture; particularly Islamic iconoclasm, were not responses to Hinduism. They were extensions of a broader monotheistic worldview. The story of the Prophet Muhammad destroying 365 idols in the Kaaba, for instance, is not anti-Hindu; it is anti-idolatry as a theological act. That tension between image-based and iconoclastic traditions is as old as religion itself.

So while Pakistan’s ideological orientation may have hardened over time in opposition to Indian nationalism (often Hindu-coded), its founding wasn’t a straightforward case of Hinduphobia. It was more complex, rooted in colonial structures and Muslim anxieties about sovereignty and representation.

The Fluidity of Hinduism (and Its Strength)

Another point: Hinduism’s fluidity is often misunderstood. Unlike Islam or Christianity, which revolve around fixed scriptures and unified doctrines, Hinduism is a dialectic: a living negotiation between Vedic philosophy, Brahmanical frameworks, and local, indigenous traditions.

Indeed, the rise of deities like Shiva and Vishnu over older Vedic gods like Indra shows that the Aryan migration/integration was not a simple domination, but a process of synthesis and preservation. The Brahmin, particularly those from the Kuru region, played a vital role in shaping and preserving this civilizational continuity. They didn’t erase local traditions; they absorbed and theorized them.

This cultural plasticity is why Hindu identity survives; despite colonialism, Islamization, and modernity. It adapts without dissolving.

Even genetically, the subcontinent reflects this unity through the interweaving of ANI and ASI ancestry. The Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis, which suggests migration from the Iranian plateau into South Asia, only deepens this sense of civilizational interconnectedness, rather than fragmenting it.

The Comparison with the Persian Gulf

It’s tempting to compare India with Persian Gulf states like the UAE or Qatar; their wealth, their clarity of identity, their strong central governments. But these states are small, rentier economies sitting on vast oil reserves, with tightly controlled populations. India, by contrast, is a churning, pluralistic democracy; more comparable to a continent than a country.

Still, I do wonder: Did India gain independence the wrong way? Was the Congress-led handover too abrupt, too elite-driven? Would a more prolonged, structured transition, like Hong Kong’s, have served it better? Or should it have come through fire, like Bhagat Singh envisioned?

History doesn’t allow redos, of course. But these questions are worth asking; especially as India continues to navigate its identity in a multipolar world.

Conclusion

So no, Kabir; Hinduphobia may not be visible in the same way as Islamophobia or anti-Semitism, but it does exist. And while Pakistan wasn’t founded on Hinduphobia, Hindu identity has long been misunderstood, denied, or reduced in global discourse; both within and outside South Asia.

We owe it to ourselves to speak clearly, without hysteria, and with nuance.

Thank you to the comment board; even when things got heated, the depth of conversation made me think harder. And that’s always worth it.

Here is your addendum, fully integrated into your previous tone and style, maintaining George Orwell’s six rules for writing while preserving every idea and allowing for long-form clarity:

Addendum: The Power and Paradox of a Pan-Hindu State

There’s one more point I want to reflect on; something that often goes unspoken, but is foundational to this entire debate around Hinduphobia and Hindu identity.

India is, in many ways, the only pan-Hindu state. Over 95% of the world’s Hindu population lives within one political entity. That is extraordinary. No comparable global population, not Black people, not Latinos, not Muslims, lives with that kind of geographical consolidation or political concentration.

Even China, as a civilizational state (albeit with 5 nationalities), has to balance ethnic dissonance in Xinjiang and Tibet. Russia, with its Slavic core, has struggled mightily with Ukraine, another Slavic-majority state, precisely because shared ethnicity and culture don’t always mean shared sovereignty.

But in India’s case, despite being only ~80% Hindu, the national and civilizational identity is undeniably Hindu at its core; if not in law, then certainly in cultural tempo and historical memory. India is a post-colonial superstructure built on a pre-colonial civilizational chassis. That chassis is Hindu; fluid, plural, adaptive, syncretic, enduring.

And it is precisely because India is the natural home of global Hinduism, culturally and demographically, that Hinduphobia doesn’t express itself in the same violent register as, say, Islamophobia, anti-Black racism, or anti-Latinx sentiment in the West. When a civilization has a homeland, especially one as large, populous, and powerful as India, it has a center of gravity. That doesn’t erase bigotry or bias, but it does insulate identity in a profound way.

What of Anti-Semitism, Then?

This makes me think about the Jewish experience, often held up, rightly, as the archetype of global persecution. Anti-Semitism is the original sin of modern hate, and it continues to mutate across centuries and geographies.

But has the creation of Israel resolved it? I don’t know. On the one hand, we now live in a world where 30–35% of global Jewry lives in Israel, and another 30–35% lives in the United States, the world’s most powerful superstate. The rest are largely concentrated in other Western countries. This is a historically unprecedented moment of Jewish security and sovereignty.

And yet, Israel remains embattled; morally, politically, and militarily. Diaspora Jews are once again confronting old hatreds in new forms, often from both the far right and the progressive left. So one has to ask: Has power solved identity-based hatred, or simply transformed its battlefield?

That’s not a question I want to answer here. This isn’t Persian Pundits, after all. And I have deeply conflicted views on the Israel–Palestine question. I believe unequivocally that all life is sacred, and I reject the ongoing genocidal violence in Gaza. At the same time, I hold out hope, perhaps naively, for a peaceful, confederated Levantine future: a civic state where both Israeli Jewish and Palestinian Arab identities can coexist, not as enemies, but as partners in a shared homeland.

That is a conversation for another post; one that would require time, nuance, and space to breathe.

Closing Thought

For now, I only want to say this: India’s civilizational success as a pan-Hindu state is not accidental. It is the result of millennia of cultural memory, adaptation, and the ability to absorb and synthesize contradiction. It is not perfect, but it is real. And it must be named, understood, and respected; especially in a global discourse that still struggles to grant Hindus the dignity of their own narrative.

Let’s begin there.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago

You’re entitled to your views.

But Audrey Truschke (Professor Truscke as she should be referred to by non-academics) has a PhD. You don’t. The level of disrespect on this blog for properly trained Western academics is stunning.

Anyone who’s not a Hindutvadi will agree that “Hinduphobia” is not a serious issue. Hindutvadis like to play the victim. Rajiv Malhotra (whose book cover you’ve used) is a Hindutvadi and certainly not in any way a serious academic.

Islamophobia and anti-semitism meanwhile are qualitatively different. 6 million Jews were murdered in the Holocaust. Muslims saw Iraq and Afghanistan invaded. Pakistanis were droned in KPK and FATA.

So there is a difference.

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Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Those same “properly trained Western academics” generally agree that Pakistan committed a genocide in Bangladesh; that Hindus in particular were targeted in the genocide; and that the Muslims were targeted in part because they were too Hindu and not Muslim enough.

Published figures of the death toll and rape toll suggest upwards of 2-3 million killed, 200-300k raped, and millions displaced, particularly Hindus. Contemporary reports from that time document the anti-Hindu animus that animated the atrocities.

This is the greatest recorded atrocity in the history of the Indian subcontinent, and it was motivated in significant part by anti Hindu sentiment, and it’s not like it suddenly stopped after 1971. There was never any Germany-style acknowledgement, atonement, and deradicalization that followed it.

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Actually the problem with the numbers pinpoints the issue with clarity. Why is it that there is no consensus on the numbers?
Everyone westerner has the 6 million number etched in their current collective memory.

No one can even agree on what the numbers were in Bangladesh, in 1971, way after the world had handheld video recording equipment. Why?

I suspect it’s a mixture of 2 issues, Indians are terrible at narrative control and were heavily downplaying the Hindu singling out to prevent any revenge attacks within India and repolarization of the nation.
The Pakistanis were busy selling defeat as victory, and their American and western supporters suppressed the Blood telegram and the bloodletting news.

So the numbers are part of the problem, and why people forget about it / ignore it.

Daves
Daves
3 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Blunt harsh reality is that people die everyday all over the planet. There have been multiple genocides in Africa, some ongoing today and most do not care. Expecting people to care about Hindu genocide is …silly.

Daves
Daves
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

absolutely, and the proposed CAA legislation was part of that. The cynical left-wing weaponization of that bill, and the abject misrepresentation of it as somehow ‘anti-muslim’ was an eye opening experience for me.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

And your Hindu nationalism comes out on full display!

How dare you ever criticize me! You’re the Hindu version of whatever evil you see in me.

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Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

From perusing online, the death toll estimate seems to range from 300k – 3 million; the rape toll from 100k – 400k; close to 10 million refugees.

Even at the lower end of the estimates, it is one of the world’s most heinous genocides, with anti Hindu animus playing a significant role in it.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju
Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Partition was a lot worse than 1971. What India does to Kashmiri Muslims is also brutal.

You can be offended. It doesn’t make it any less true.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I’m not playing this game anymore.

Two words: Kunan Pushpora

Two more words: Jammu Massacres

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

What was the death toll, rape toll, and refugee toll from Kunan Pushpora?

Nobody is denying Islamophobia. What you and your favorite academic are denying is anti Hindu hatred. Meanwhile, a genocide against Hindus and Muslims (for being too Hindu) occurred just a few decades ago.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

Kashmir is still Occupied. A Muslim-majority region is being held by a Hindu country.

We can play this game endlessly.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Simply by playing this game, where in response to every anti Hindu atrocity you respond with an anti Muslim atrocity, you are conceding the only point of contention: the existence of anti Hindu hatred.

Nobody denies that a large number of people despise Islam and Muslims.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

I can play this game forever. Don’t worry.

the Kashmiri people have despised India since even before “India” as a nation-state existed. A Muslim people were sold to Dogra Hindu Raj by the British.

A Muslim-majority region continues to be held by a country that hates Muslims.

That is completely sick.

Naresh Patel
Naresh Patel
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Why did the the Jammu massacre start : Muslim League led by Jinnah rioting, raping, slaving and murdering in Rawalpindi which is closer to Jammu than to Indian Punjab. The people who escaped told the story to Dogras and Sikhs and then

” Jammu’s Muslims were to pay a heavy price in September-October 1947 for the early disturbances in the West Punjab. ”

https://pu.edu.pk/images/journal/studies/PDF-FILES/Artical%20-%207.pdf

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Naresh Patel

Yeah of course. Blame the Quaid for everything. Typical Indian reaction.

Jammu was Muslim-majority in 1947. It isn’t today. This was clearly an incident of ethnic cleansing.

Daves
Daves
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

what happened to the sikhs of Peshawar, or the population of Lahore. One-eyed bigotry is not discussion.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Of course! And why did trains full of dead Muslims arrive in Lahore?

For you Muslim deaths don’t matter?

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Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Khulna division was Hindu-majority in 1963. After the 1964 East Pakistan pogroms, it is no longer Hindu-majority. Surely those pogrom-doers had not an inkling of anti Hindu animus while they were chanting for the killing of all Hindus.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

Sorry but East Bengal was always Muslim majority. That was the entire basis on which it went to Pakistan.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Khulna division was majority-Hindu.

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Yeah, this kind of thing. Pls avoid, the internet is crass enough as it is.

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Bleah. So much for non censorship ideals. Just avoid sex and crudity, once the tone of a site goes it’s then a downward spiral into encouraging worse and worse behaviour.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Partition statistics and Bengali genocide statistics are comparable. The former was animated by both anti Muslim and anti Hindu hatred, the latter by anti Hindu hatred. Nobody is denying anti Muslim hatred. But what you and your favorite academic are denying is anti Hindu hatred. What you are denying is a genocide generally recognized by those very academics you place on a pedestal.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

Do you have a PhD? If not, your views are frankly meaningless.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I don’t pretend to be better than PHd scholars. I have immense respect for Professor Truschke.

I don’t quote Hindutvadi pseudo academics.

All of you have deep issues with the fact that proper academics are left-leaning. I wonder why.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

My point was specifically about PhDs in the Humanities. People in the sciences tend to be more right-wing.

This is not an opinion. It has been demonstrated with vast amounts of research. Schools of Science and Engineering are right-wing. Schools of Arts and Humanities are left-wing.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Those same academics who you put on a pedestal and worship, the Western ones with PhDs from fancy Western schools, recognize the Bengali genocide, and its nexus to anti Hindu animus.

I wonder why you diverge with them on that point.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

“Genocide” is a contested term. There is an Indian and Bangladeshi narrative and a Pakistani narrative.

It was a civil war. War crimes were committed by both sides. Mukti Bahini (supported by India) was not exactly nice to West Pakistanis.

Those same academics and the UN recognize that Kashmir is not an “integral part” of India in any way shape or form. But yet the Indian narrative is swallowed unquestioningly by many of you.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

This is not just an Indian or Bangladeshi narrative. I’m not citing “sad” brown “IT” folks. I’m citing the greatest sources of truth known to humankind; White men and women who have had PhDs bestowed upon them by high ranking universities located in the Western world.

Are you suggesting that if a White man or woman who has had a PhD bestowed upon them from a high ranking university says something, a lay person like you or me is entitled to disagree with it and not internalize it as the gospel?

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

Hi, I get you’re trying to respond to Kabir and everything but he will never concede your point.

Meanwhile your repetition of all this race based stuff is getting a bit unpleasant. I guess you’re trying to be sarcastic but it isn’t landing well.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Indosaurus

Hi sure I’ll leave race out of it

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

🙏

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

I’m really not sure why you keep making race such a huge issue.

My point all along has been that people can disagree with Professor Truscke. I don’t really care.

But no one will take any disagreements seriously unless the person disagreeing also acquires a PHD in History or South Asian Studies.

As long as South Asians (whether from India, Pakistan or wherever) are only studying Computer Science etc, they have no business complaining that the discussion in the Humanities regarding South Asia has been taken over by Westerners.

Anyway “Bangladesh Liberation War” etc is a Bangladeshi narrative. They are entitled to it. But in Pakistan we will always refer to it as the SECESSION of East Pakistan or as the Fall of Dhaka.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

There are many White men and women with PhDs from high ranking universities in Western countries who regard 1971 as a genocide and one that targeted Hindus in particular.

So should your protests to the contrary be summarily dismissed as meaningless?

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Most of the victims were Muslim Bengalis. It was a war about political independence not religion.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Hindus were specifically targeted. Contemporary reports from the time period confirm this.

Hindu homes were marked with an H and burned down. The Army would lift up lungis to determine the subject’s religion by inspecting their penis; if they were Hindu they were summarily executed.

Even the Muslims were in significant part targeted for being ‘too Hindu’ and ‘not Muslim enough’. This was based on their view of the Bengali language, Bengali attire, Bengali culture, Bengali phenotype, and Bengali behavior. The campaign of mass rape was in part to remedy this.

Your own Western academics, the ones you put on a pedestal and blindly follow when convenient, accept that it was a genocide, that Hindus were targeted, and that anti Hindu animus played a role.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

It was a civil war. We’re not going through this again.

Anyway, please show me your PhD in history. Otherwise, you are a rando with an anti-Pakistan animus and not someone to be taken seriously.

Western academics also accept that Gujrat 2002 and Delhi 2020 were pogroms. Apparently the people on this website can’t deal with those facts.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

There are White men and women with PhDs from high ranking universities in Western countries who regard 1971 as a genocide and acknowledge that it was motivated in part by anti Hindu animus. Do I need a PhD now to reference what White men and women with PhDs from high ranking universities in Western countries say?

Why do you keep changing the topic? I have never denied the existence of anti Muslim hatred. It’s a real thing.

What you and your favorite academic are doing is denying the existence of anti Hindu hatred. I am therefore highlighting for you events from recent history that illustrate the existence of anti Hindu hatred. You responding to me with events illustrating anti Muslim hatred is irrelevant because I am not denying the existence of anti Muslim hatred.

The only point of contention between us is whether anti Hindu hatred exists. I think events like Partition, the 1964 East Pakistan pogroms, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, and several other events and policies show that such hatred exists.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

Look you clearly have an anti-Pakistan animus. Your views are neither here nor there since you are a rando on the Internet. Until you are able to establish some academic credibility, I really am not inclined to take you seriously.

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Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

You cannot attribute anti Pakistani animus to me simply because I recognize the Bengali genocide. This logic would indicate that both you and me harbor anti German animus and anti Hutu animus.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

You are obsessed with 1971.

Every comment you make on this blog is about 1971.

If every single comment I made were about the Nazis, yes I would be fairly accused of anti German animus. Luckily, rational people can recognize that Germany is a lot more than just the Third Reich.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

I also have many posts about Sri Lanka, you can ask sbarrkum. And in the past around 2020-2022 the topics were varied.

But genocide denial is a very serious matter, a red line that moral decency and actual (not fake) liberal values compel me to call out and address.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

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Daves
Daves
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

This blatant denial of hindus being explicitly targeted, explains the apartheid state of Pakistan which is enthusiastically endorsed by its citizens, even the so-called educated elites.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

So this is very much the pot calling the kettle black.

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Daves
Daves
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

You are utterly ignorant and uninformed on the history of communal rioting in Gujarat – 2002, prior and after. Your attempts at hurling it as a talking point is a pathetic demonstration of your ignorance. And no, there is no comparison between the apartheid state that is Pakistan, and India – random acts of communal violence do not negate Indian secularism or democracy.

But I understand if you are publicly unable to criticize the Pakistani state. Enslaved citizens ought to be forever careful not to trigger being ‘disappeared’ by Black vigos.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

LOL! That’s why Hindu Hriday Samrat was banned from the US and Europe for over a decade until he became PM. Hindu Hriday Samrat was Chief Minister of Gujrarat. He is morally responsible for what happened on his watch.

You don’t give a damn about the deaths of Muslims.

“Enslaved citizens”– I am an American, No one can do anything to me.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

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Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

My apologies XTM, my interest in this site is primarily contribution, not moderation. Yes I do get into the comments and find myself getting into the weeds from time to time. It’s a good place on the internet and I try to contribute to keep the place tidy. To that end I believe in encouraging good behaviour through persuasion. Clearly at the moment it is not working but I do believe that is temporary.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

I’m willing to concede that anti Muslim hatred exists; a large number of people despise Islam and Muslims. You and your favorite academic are incapable of acknowledging the existence of anti Hindu hatred, and that is the only point of contention.

Daves
Daves
3 months ago

wonderfully written. ‘Cultural plasticity’ is a good way of describing it.

Daves
Daves
3 months ago

>>It was more complex, rooted in colonial structures and Muslim anxieties about sovereignty and representation.

I’m sorry, but I’m not sure why folks walk on such egg shells when discussing the fabrication of Pakistan as a nation state.

The Southern states in the American civil war also had “anxieties” about sovereignty and representation. They cloaked their desire to continue enslaving human beings in the rhetoric of ‘states rights’. Similarly, Pakistan was created primarily to carve out a domain where muslims could preserve their right to discriminate against non-muslims, and maintain their ‘superiority’. The political demands in the lead-up to partition were the similarly – separate electorates etc. “Separate but equal” is seen as evil in the context of American civil rights. And rightly so. Because separate is inherently unequal.
Anybody who’s being honest about it, will have no qualms with this objective historical fact.

Empowering such bigotry with partition, directly led to continued bigotry against the Bengalis, and resulted in another genocide. The illogic of the disproven “2-nation theory” was unquestionably sent to the trash-can in 1971 already.

Pointing out this fact, is not “anti-pakistan”. Its just objective history. And just because the resident troll gets hot and bothered about it, does not make it so.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

There is a whole lot of scholarship on Partition. Just because you hate Pakistan doesn’t make this scholarship false. Even a former BJP foreign minister, Jaswant Singh, wrote a book about the Quaid.

The Muslims of British India were a minority group. Minority groups everywhere have historically wanted to exercise their right to self determination. Especially when the majority group is intransigent and uncompromising.

Your real issue is that people like you cannot get over the simple fact that BRITISH India was a colony and not a nation-state. There is nothing sacred about the borders of the subcontinent. If parts of the colony decided to go their own way, it’s really not such a big deal.

I am not a “troll”. I have been contributing to this site for a decade. You, on the other hand, have a one track mind–an agenda against Pakistan and particularly “Pak Mil”. People like you are making this site increasingly unpleasant.

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Daves
Daves
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

borders are not ‘sacred’. But regressive religious supremacy driven bigotry is not liberal. Its the opposite of liberal. “Direct action” riots to support political demands driven by said bigotry was, and is evil.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Of course. Blame the Qaid.

You are a Hindu version of me. Look in the mirror.

It’s exactly because of CAA supporting Hindu nats like you that I’m so grateful that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan exists. Imagine having to live with people like you in one country!

You’d probably have me lynched for eating beef. Luckily I have a nuclear armed Muslim country.

Pakistan will never accept Indian hegemony. Sorry Daves. We will remain a proud Muslim South Asian nation.

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Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Try to keep his sexuality out of it, and the innuendo, it lowers the tone of the site. I’ve ended up falling down this slippery slope of unwanted moderation.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Wow! You are really perverted.

This deserves a ban from this site.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Daves

Comparing the Muslims of British India to the Confederacy is inaccurate and actually appalling.

We were not trying to hold slaves. We were freeing ourselves from the tyranny of Hindu Raj.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago

I am not anti Hindu. How many times must we go over this? If were anti-Hindu, I won’t be singing Bhajans now would I? I have differences with the regime currently ruling India. I am entitled to have those differences. Many many Indian citizens are also anti-BJP (including Hindus).

The level of crass perverted sexual talk from Honey Singh is extremely disgusting. I have never descended to this level.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

It is not “Hinduphobic” to be against a political regime or have certain views on works of literature.

But honestly, if people don’t attack Pakistan, I am not interested in attacking them.

There is a real double standard where anti-Pakistan discourse is somehow considered acceptable.

The existence of Pakistan is not up for negotiation. We have a right to exist.

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Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Sorry, there’s a lot more attacking Pakistan than there is anything else.

Daves is particularly bad.

Indosaurus
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Go back and take a look at how he has responded everytime you insulted his English, what you assumed his profession etc.
You have hardly afforded him the respect he has afforded you.

Hoju
Hoju
3 months ago
Reply to  Kabir

Bengali genocide denial is an act of anti Hindu prejudice as much as Holocaust denial is an act of antisemitism. People are complex. It’s a sign of openness to Hindu religion and culture for you to sing bhajans, even if done without faith. But one doesn’t wash out the other. The singing of bhajans does not inoculate all your other actions from accusations of anti Hindu prejudice.

Kabir
Kabir
3 months ago
Reply to  Hoju

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Indosaurus
3 months ago

My apologies. I haven’t figured out how to close the comments for this thread, maybe xtm can.
Unfortunately the current situation is that Hoju insists on his point. Kabir insists on his and Honey Singh spams the comment board.
Pls have a 24 hr cool off, do something else for a while, hopefully this cycle is broken and everyone can start contributing insightful and engaging comments/articles again. Have a nice happy, productive, worry free, Sunday.

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