Islamicate Civilisation is a Supreme Culture: But Who Stands to Inherit It?

This post grew out of an exchange with EK, the kind that can only happen in a forum that has paid for its openness. Kabir, to his credit, has imposed the hard internal checks that keep the blog from collapsing into the views of its editors.

The high culture built by the three great gunpowder empires (Ottoman, Safavid, Mughal) is one of the supreme achievements of human civilisation. All three were Turkic in dynastic origin, Persianate in literary and aesthetic register, and Islamic in faith. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul, the Naqsh-e Jahan complex in Isfahan, the Taj Mahal at Agra: these are not regional artefacts. They are a single coherent civilisational signature, expressed in tilework, ghazal, miniature, garden, cuisine, and chancery prose, across a belt that ran from the Bosphorus to the Bay of Bengal.

The question this post is about is simpler than it sounds. Who inherits it?

When we look at the other major civilisational matrices, the answer is usually one polity, or at most two. Western high culture has a clear custodian in the Euro-American complex. Chinese high culture sits, more or less unambiguously, inside the People’s Republic and its Sinosphere periphery. Indian high culture, for all its internal diversity, is held by a single state of 1.4 billion that increasingly understands itself as the civilisational heir. The custodianship is contested at the margins but not at the centre.

Sixty States

Islamicate civilisation has no such custodian. It is split between fifty-five and sixty Muslim-majority states, none of which can credibly claim to be the seat of the inheritance. Turkey has the Ottoman archive but spent a century half-disowning it. Iran has the Persianate aesthetic core but is sealed off by sanctions and theocracy. Pakistan has the Mughal afterlife but lacks the depth of state capacity to project it. The Arab Gulf has the wealth but, conspicuously, has chosen Saint-Tropez over Istanbul. The wealthiest Muslims on earth holiday in the south of France rather than in the capitals of their own past.

A Global Southern Division

This is not unique. It is the recurring pattern of the global South. Latin America shares a language, a religion, and a colonial history, and has produced no meaningful bloc; the Bolivarian project collapsed in the nineteenth century and nothing has replaced it. Sub-Saharan Africa shares a colonial substrate and a thickening pan-African discourse but no operational unity, and the African Union has nothing like the weight of the EU or ASEAN. The Muslim world is the third instance of the same phenomenon: a vast cultural commons fragmented into nation-states, none of which can carry the whole, and an OIC that has never functioned as anything more than a debating chamber. ASEAN is the partial exception, and it is instructive that ASEAN’s coherence is procedural rather than civilisational. Only the West, China, and India have managed to keep the high-cultural inheritance and the political vehicle inside the same container.

Lost Potential for PakIran

We judge Pakistan and Iran by their potential, which is the only honest standard for nations of that historical weight. Both have fallen short of it, and the reasons are structural rather than moral. Iran’s 1979 revolution closed off the country at exactly the moment its Persianate soft power could have become the organising centre of the Islamicate world; the Pahlavi modernisation, whatever its faults, had been pointing in that direction. Pakistan accepted, at partition, a piecemeal share of the Mughal inheritance and then spent seventy-eight years in a posture of conflict with India that has kept it poor and kept the inheritance illegible to the wider world. The Ashraf elites who chose partition accepted, perhaps without fully understanding it, the partitioning of the legacy itself.

Singing in Urdu while banning it

Meanwhile the legacy survives by being appropriated. India, which is the largest single repository of Islamicate material culture outside the Arab world, has formally turned against Urdu and yet cannot stop singing in it. Hindustani classical music is unthinkable without its Muslim lineages. The biryani, the kebab (Persian in origin, Muslim in diffusion), the qawwali, the ghazal: these continue to do civilisational work inside a polity that is officially uninterested in crediting them.

Our own Faith is itself a Qajar-era inheritance, born in Iran in the 1840s and exiled by the late Ottomans to Akka, and its aesthetic sensibility remains moored in that nineteenth-century Persianate world. The Guardianship that followed, from 1921 to 1957, unfolded entirely inside the Anglo-American hegemony, and the Faith’s institutional centre of gravity migrated with it. We are, in a small way, another example of the diffusion.

Islamicate is everywhere but nowhere

This is the paradox. The Islamicate legacy is everywhere and nowhere. It has no capital, no flag, no custodian state, and yet it shapes the food, music, and architecture of half the world. India erases Urdu from its schools and then puts it back into its film songs. The Gulf builds skyscrapers in a global modernist idiom and flies its families to the Côte d’Azur. The inheritance disperses, gets relabelled, gets absorbed, and continues.

If the Ummah is to recover anything resembling civilisational coherence, it will need a socio-cultural-political pole, and at present there is no candidate for it. Until then, the inheritors will be unofficial: a Hindu nationalist humming a ghazal, a Bahá’í drawn to a Persianate aesthetic, a Frenchman ordering a döner. That is not nothing. But it is not custodianship either.

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S Qureishi
S Qureishi
1 month ago

We claim it all, as Iqbal said about these civilizations:

Chin o Arab hamaraa hindostaaN hamaara
Muslim hain hum; watan hai saara jahaaN hamaara

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago

Parts of the mughal edifice are being claimed / recovered by Hindus in India.
Apart from the babri mosque, one more prominent mosque obviously converted from a ancient temple (saraswati Mandie, MP)has been won by the Hindu side (as reported in tv).
The original basic structure of Taj Mahal is now acknowledged to belonging to a rajput subordinate, who “gave” it to shahjahan.
Many pre mughal mosques and moseliums are in great state of disrepair.
It is difficult to mask the nature of kutub complex with its hindu/jain columns comming out of destruction.
Claims on Kashi and mathura is well known.

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

//The original basic structure of Taj Mahal is now acknowledged to belonging to a rajput subordinate, who “gave” it to shahjahan.

It is difficult to mask the nature of kutub complex with its hindu/jain columns comming out of destruction.//

Were these ever in any doubt? I thought it was common knowledge that a rajput subordinate gave his haveli for the Taj Mahal and got some land elsewhere in return.

And I mean, even the ASI acknowledges that the earliest iteration of the Qutb Minar was built with parts from hindu and jain temples and the ashoka pillar kind of confirms it was quite important. The current Qutb Minar is the third iteration I think as the minar itself is quite badly made and needed to be rebuilt many times over the centuries anytime an earthquake occured, I think the British tried to stabilize it with metal bars dont know how this works. All of this is on ASI website, for these monuments.



formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  Calvin

Oh! Please,
Most of us stop studying history after 10th standard. How many kids even now know these facts?.
When PN Oak wrote this, he was called a mad man.

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

I dont understand what you are trying to say. I mean should people who are interested in history not at least read the ASI reports, some of which are barely a few paragraphs long? What do kids have to do with anything?

And PN Oak went wild with the basic fact of how the haveli was given, like wont a hindu having given a haveli mean that there is less likelihood of a temple being there.

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  Calvin

Ask any Indian on the street regarding Taj Mahal and he will say shahjahan built it.
Lay Indian does not know about the rajput background.
I didn’t know that it had a rajput background till 5 years back.
Skies would not fall if a line in a school history text book is added.

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

//Ask any Indian on the street regarding Taj Mahal and he will say shahjahan built it.//

He did commission it. And funded most of the construction cost. This is not wrong though.

The Haveli was brought down and the mausoleum was reconstructed.

Also this is in ASI reports and on Wikipedia, this will not be a big deal if put in our textbooks what are you talking about?

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  Calvin

Even the red fort was built on an earlier substratum.
If things are stated in text books lots of “watsapp ” discoveries can be avoided.

On a side note, do you know when the Aryan invasion theory got changed to Aryan migration theory and what was the reason for the change?

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

Archaeological Survey of India

Please take the time to read ASI before making statements that are not backed by good evidence. A lot of whatsapp history is extending the truth like how PN Oak uses a well known fact of a haveli being present on taj mahal ground which was then brought down to rebuilt the Taj Mahal, as proof of a temple. Putting things in textbooks does not change anything.

You can read about the history of this by going to wikipedia, but as per my understanding it is lack of any damage, that led to a rethink, as to why similarities exist, why settled cities like those found in Harappa are different from nomadic culture described in early vedas and why there is no presence of domesticated horses in large enough numbers( outside of the imported horse from Mesopotamia, and donkey and other fossil horse)

Fly Die
Fly Die
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

I mean, saying an insignificant line in the textbook doesn’t mean much when people start to mistrust school books because they believe it is inaccurate due to religious appeasement. People generally blindly trust anything they read on WhatsApp these days, without any consideration, especially if it caters to their pre-existing biases. Even if you tell people accurate information from reliable academic sources, they will reject it if it contradicts their pre-existing worldview, and even provide the general justification of “Western/Nationalist/Liberal/Conservative, etc scholar are biased and don’t respect South Asia”. At this point in time, I am not even sure what adding details can provide when everything is just “vibes-based” rather than evidence-based.

For your second part, I know it is a rhetorical question, but I believe it started when the invasion theory was changed when new archaeogenetic studies in Europe questioned pre-existing information about Proto-Indo-European (PIE) people. Specifically, the study noted how Italy and Greece (regions that presently speak Indo-European languages and have overlapping ancient mythology) actually didn’t have extensive Yamnaya (Indo-European) DNA; instead, they mostly had the original DNA from Neolithic people living in the region before Indo-Europeans migrated to the region. It seems Italy and Greece went through an enculturation process that didn’t involve violent invasions. None of this means there was no violent conflict between migrants and native people groups, but it wasn’t the common norm.

Even in Vedic texts, the Aryans are shown violently killing each other and entering into political alliances with Non-Aryan people, as seen in things like the Battle of Ten Kings. It was a more complex process that involved a complex amount of migration, political conflict, and a broader enculturation process by both Aryan and Non-Aryan groups, integrating aspects of each other’s culture. This broadly applies to PIE groups as well, hence the PIE invasion theory was changed to migration.

Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

Nothing is hidden, if one searches it is accessible, with so much free data one can take the time to read the ASI websites for starters.

Fly Die
Fly Die
1 month ago

Quite frankly, no one inherits any civilizational legacy since it is too vague a concept to even be useful. What even is an Islamic, Hindu, or Christian civilization? Is there even such a thing, or is this a concept that’s a byproduct of orientalism in modern historiography? Like, I am Christian, and Europe is Christian. Still, I in no way, shape, or form consider myself part of a large overarching “Christian” civilization since there are way too many cultural, political, and economic differences between the two. The same applies to Hindus, Muslims, and jews since they are all very different from each other in an intra-group as well as inter-group sense. 

Also, who dictates what this civilization looks like and which people groups get to be a part of this identity? The Mughal empire was a multi-religious and multi-ethnic state that built the cooperation of different groups. I mean, where do the Hindus, Jains, Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, and tribals fit into this broad “Islamic” identity, much less where do groups like Ahmaddiyas fall? This notion of Islamic civilization diminishes the Mughal empire to its religion, when it is more than just its religion. They were the most unbearably South Asian in every essence, even their weird obsession with Persia is quite South Asian. The Guptas and the Mauryans had their own Persian-Greek obsession, yet I don’t see anyone here complaining about that.  

Honestly, I am deeply offended at the notion that you would put the Mughal Empire in the category of the trashy Ottoman and Safavid empires. I draw the line at that point; it thoroughly offends me from my history adjacent perspective. I still remember reading about how Akbar sent multiple letters to the Safavid Shah about how the Shah should not, you know, persecute people he disagreed with, especially Zoroastrians, Sunnis, and other Shias with different theological opinions. Quite frankly, the worst thing Aurangzeb did to any non-muslim is miles better than anything that those empires did on an average day to their non-muslim subjects. He even remarked at one point that (I am paraphrasing here) he wanted to consolidate his power by increasing the number of Muslim noblemen and decreasing Hindu noblemen, but even then, his highest official in court was a Hindu Rajput. 

This doesn’t even mention the massive cultural revival during their reign; painting traditions re-emerged on the scene, multiple regional languages like Braj saw extensive patronage, and there were complex land grants to Vaishnavites, Jains, and Shaiva Nath communities. One Zoroastrian text straight up remarked that times had returned to how things were before the 12th century, since they aren’t treated like shit by the state. None of this even includes the Mughal period, which was the high point of the Navya Nyaya tradition, specifically the branch stemming from Raghunatha Siromani (who is considered by some academics to be the first modern philosopher in South Asia), in addition to the high point of Jain logic under Yashovijaya Gani and the Indo-Islamic philosophy under Dara Shikoh. 

Quite frankly, I don’t think it’s even worth claiming the “Islamic civilizational” identity by using the legacy of the Mughal empire. It just diminishes the value of the Mughal empire since the empire was flawed, I give you that, but it still succeeded in many places that its contemporaries (Islamic or otherwise) consistently failed at. It’s better to treat the Mughals as a successor state to the historic South Asian civilization due to their being more inclusive and allowing people across sectarian and social divisions to identify with the state as well as preserve its monuments and achievements for posterity. At the end of the day, only South Asians can appreciate the value of a South Asian empire since it directly affects them in a way that non-South Asians (muslim or otherwise) can never really understand. It should be treated with the same respect as the Mauryan and the Guptas.

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  Fly Die

# Mughal empire was a multi-religious and multi-ethnic state that built the cooperation of different groups. I mean, where do#
No, no. It was livelyhood for all others, including non royal foreign Muslims.
Probably the fact that Hindu mindset saw a Muslim ruler in a varna setup as a Kshatriya, made them work for him.pure survival mechanism.
The rulers did not feel that they belonged to this land. If they had any sense of belonging, they would not have destroyed the temples.

formerly brown
formerly brown
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

My point was, that just because some hindus were part of the mughal setup as subordinates, the basic nature of the mughal rule from an Islamic outsider to a composite happy rule for all is not tenable.

Fly Die
Fly Die
1 month ago
Reply to  formerly brown

uh huh. Well, the Hindu didn’t consider the Kshatriya because they were in survival mode; it’s because the Muslims rulers themselves were casteist. Early figures like Ziauddin Barani visibly mention the existence of caste-like practices among the Islamic elite of the Delhi sultanate. Also, Aparna Kapadia, in her work “In Praise of Kings”, which centred around the 12th-16th century Hindu and Muslim rulers in Gujarat, mentions in a specific section that the sultan, as part of his propaganda, explicitly invoked social ideas related to “Kshatriyahood” in many propaganda pieces.

Even the Mughals were aware of caste practices (from readings of Gijs Kruijtzer’s work) since they recognized early on that people lose caste privileges upon religious conversion, which may have been the reason why the religious conversion of Hindu nobility was never a major factor. Also, caste was kinda getting codified into the Mughal legal system. The study “Dharmashastra in Aurangzeb’s India: a Persian translation of the Yajnavalkya Smriti and Mitakasara” by Supriya Gandhi talks about how figures like Lal Bihari Bhojpuri translated historical smritis into Persian and even called different brahmanical legal schools under the title of Mazhab, similar to other schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

For the temple bit, I would agree to your statement with one massive caveat. The early Islamic figures, like the Ghurids, destroyed temples, since they didn’t understand the religious dynamic of the land. However, the Mughals don’t fall in that category since they consistently sponsored multiple temples and gave land grants for Vaishnavite priests (often belonging to the Gaudiyan tradition) near the regions of Mathura. Also, Aurangzeb was notably an outlier rather than the norm in the Mughal empire, but even he supported multiple Nath monasteries in regions near Punjab. Temple destruction was relatively uncommon in core Mughal regions to the extent that Aurangzeb’s defacement was controversial even during his time period. Even then, the majority of the temples he destroyed were the ones rebuilt under Mughal support, and in a sense, he was destroying his own family legacy. Many rulers after Aurangzeb, like Muhammad Shah Rangeela, supported the construction of Jain and Hindu temples, which are quite well known, with some temples still present to this very day in Delhi.

Also, if people were using Varna to enter survival mode, I am not really sure why they would have used it before the 12th century, when they were ruled by foreigners and oppressive native kings, though not all of them were bad. Oftentimes, foreign rulers adopt Varna themselves, the best example being the Indo-Sycthian kingdom in Gujarat, ruled by the Kardamaka dynasty, whose rulers used Varnic identity quite often.

formerly brown
formerly brown
30 days ago
Reply to  Fly Die

Well, in the time zone before 12th century, the Muslim rule had not settled, the rulers were still in the expansion mode, there were too many changes, Farsi was a foreign language, hence Hindu participation might have been lighter.

Fly Die
Fly Die
30 days ago
Reply to  formerly brown

Excluding the fact that many Hindus adopted very quickly after the introduction of Farsi. I mean, there was even a saying during the Medieval period about how Brahmins would rather be a Sultan’s accountant rather than chant scripture at a temple. I still remember how Barani complained about how sultans should slaughter Brahmins because he was irritated at the fact that Brahmins were given important positions in the government. He straight up wanted a holy war and believed that the Sultan should not feel happy that his Hindu subjects were doing well. Based on this, I am pretty sure that Hindus adapted a lot faster despite cultural and linguistic differences. 

Quite frankly, for most people living back then, I doubt there was anything particularly different between the 12th-century invasions and the Arab or Hunnic invasions of the 5th century. Even the Jains straight compared the new Turkic invader with the old Saka invaders from the early 1st millennium in some of their manuscripts. They all seemed to have evolved with the times, and even the Sultans chose to go with the flow of things rather than screw around and find out. It’s not like things are any less a mess before and after the 12th century. Keep in mind that Amir Khosrow spent his early days in the Khilji dynasty, then grew old and died near Tughluq’s reign, when the Sultanate was divided into multiple pieces. Basically, in one man’s lifetime, the empire reached both its peak and its eventual massive decline near this man’s death. Seems pretty chaotic to me.

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Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago

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Last edited 1 month ago by Calvin
Calvin
Calvin
1 month ago
Reply to  X.T.M

I did not know how to delete comments once published, so edited out the content

Kabir
30 days ago
Reply to  Calvin

There is actually no way to delete your comments.

Only the author of the particular post or the admin can do it.

Kabir
30 days ago

This is tangentially related to Islamicate culture. It’s a fascinating story.

“Mahesh Bhatt on his mother Shirin: ‘The woman who belonged everywhere'”

https://scroll.in/reel/1092427/mahesh-bhatt-on-his-mother-shrin-the-woman-who-belonged-everywhere

She was a Shia Muslim woman living with a Brahmin film-maker in post-Partition India. A mistress in the eyes of the world. A mother, in the only eyes that mattered – mine.

To shield us, she bent to social lies so we wouldn’t have to carry the burden of truth. But her inner world was seamless. She visited Mount Mary’s Church and begged Mother Mary for a son after three daughters. When I was born, she said it was Mary’s gift – a child who would shield her from the world’s judgment, and maybe, one day, return the favour.

When she was dying, she asked her son (Mahesh) to bury her in her mother’s grave in the Shia graveyard in Byculla, Mumbai.

While she couldn’t live openly as a Muslim in life, she chose to die as one.

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