India Is No Longer Legible to Pakistani Liberals

There is a persistent habit among Pakistani liberals, especially those from elite backgrounds or with deep emotional ties to pre-1947 North India, of speaking about India as if it were still legible to them. It is not. India has moved on. So has Pakistan. But only one side seems unable to accept that.

The Mirage of Patrimony

Many Pakistanis of Muhajir or North Indian lineage carry an inherited sense of ownership over India. They speak as if India is a shared cultural estate, temporarily misplaced. This is a fantasy. The India of 2025 is not the India of 1947. It is not even the India of 1991. It has changed demographically, economically, politically, and, most importantly, civilizationally. Pakistanis who have not travelled to India in decades, who rely on English-language media and nostalgic family memory, do not โ€œunderstandโ€ India. They are projecting onto it. Projection is not insight. It is displacement.

Code-Switching as Evasion

This displacement often appears as cultural code-switching. A familiar type emerges: Pakistani by passport, Indian by convenience. At various moments, he is South Asian, Indo-Persian, Urdu-speaking, postcolonial; anything but fully Pakistani when the conversation turns difficult. This is not sophistication. It is refusal. By oscillating identities, such figures avoid reckoning with Pakistan as it actually exists: its theology, its civilโ€“military imbalance, its treatment of minorities, its unresolved purpose as a state. When pressed, they grow defensive; not because the critique is unfair, but because it demands that they declare priors they would rather keep ambiguous.

Liberalism as an Exile Fantasy

For many Pakistani elites, India becomes the stage on which they perform their liberalism. Pakistan is too compromised, too dangerous, too morally demanding. So they outsource their ethical imagination. They critique Hindu nationalism. They warn of Indian authoritarianism. They speak eloquently about pluralism; always elsewhere. This posture allows them to avoid the central question: what is Pakistan for? If you cannot conceptually confront Pakistani society on its own terms, its use of Islam as state ideology, the militaryโ€™s primacy, the limits of liberal reform, you have no standing to lecture India.

Dharma and the Civilizational Gap

At the core of this misunderstanding lies a deeper failure. Many Pakistanis cannot accept the primacy of Dharma in the Indian context. India is not merely a secular republic with Hindu aesthetics. Hinduism is not an identity comparable to Islam or Christianity. It is a civilizational grammar. Law, ethics, caste, ritual, time, metaphysics; all flow through it. You cannot understand modern India without accepting this. And you cannot accept this if your frame remains trapped in Islamic universalism or postcolonial liberalism, both of which treat religion as detachable from civilization. In India, it is not.

On Corruption and the Modi Question

India is not corruption-free. That claim is childish. But something has changed. Narendra Modi is not dynastic. He does not loot the state to secure his familyโ€™s future. This matters. It removes one central axis of extraction and shifts political incentives toward longer-term capacity rather than short-term plunder. The Indian state remains vast and imperfect. Corruption has not vanished; it has changed form. The difference is not moral purity. It is state confidence.

The Real Divide

Pakistanโ€™s problem is not India. India argues endlessly, loudly, chaotically, but within a civilizational frame it broadly accepts as its own. Pakistan argues because it has never settled what it is for. Until Pakistanis stop using India as a mirror for their frustrations, they will remain trapped in a conversation that leads nowhere.

India does not need Pakistani validation. Pakistan needs Pakistani clarity.

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Kabir
1 day ago

I don’t claim to “understand” India but I do engage regularly with The Wire and Scroll.in . I’ve also read a lot of academic work on India.

I would guess that most Indians who comment here on Pakistan neither read DAWN regularly nor have read academic work on Pakistan.

Also, I only hold India to its own declared standards. India is constitutionally a secular state. If it becomes a Hindu Rashtra, then of course I will stop holding it to the standards of a secular state.

This is not solely an academic question for me (or for many other Pakistanis). I have blood relatives living in Agra.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
1 day ago

Great great post.

Pakistani itself has insufficient institutions so a lot of Pakistanis live vicariously through stuff like Bollywood and the moon mission.

Now this right turn by India has hurt them as they have to take solace in their Pakistaniat, which most Pakistanis loathe to do so cause they know there is nothing great about their country.

Even Kabir here flaunts his UK and USA degrees while omitting his main undergraduate degree which was obtained in Pakistan.

Similarly he keeps harping about his American citizenship denying the fact that he lives in Pakistan with his parents.

Kabir
1 day ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

“They know there is nothing great about their country”– Stop trolling. May I present you Mehdi Hassan, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Madam Noor Jehan, Ustad Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? You’re just revealing your own ignorance.

Please don’t attempt to write about my biography because you have absolutely no idea who I am.

The only undergraduate degree I have is from George Washington University (not in Pakistan).

American citizens can live wherever they like. They remain American citizens. I grew up entirely in the USA.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
16 hours ago
Reply to  Kabir

LUMS, liar.

Kabir
15 hours ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

I don’t have a degree from LUMS. Yes, I went to LUMS for a while and I’ve never pretended I didn’t. But my degree is from George Washington University.

Please don’t assume you know more about my life than I do.

Anyway, a short period at LUMS doesn’t negate elementary school, middle school and high school in the US. Whether you like it or not, I am basically an American of Pakistani origin.

Last edited 15 hours ago by Kabir
bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
15 hours ago
Reply to  Kabir

See, lives in Pakistan but still kangs on “Americanness”. Simply because Pakistan doesn’t have anything of value lol.

Kabir
13 hours ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

There is no connection between where one lives and one’s country of citizenship. This is a point even a child can understand.

Do you have nothing better to do than troll me?

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
12 hours ago
Reply to  Kabir

There is when one denies where one lives. Only a Pakistani who lives in Pakistan would be happy to flash his American credentials.

Kabir
8 hours ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

Where did I ever deny I live in Pakistan? Once again, American citizens can live wherever they like, they still carry American passports.

Indians live in the US. They are still Indian citizens.

I am an American national. This is just a matter of fact.

I’m impressed I live rent-free in your head. You just come to BP to troll me and/or to troll Pakistan.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
5 hours ago
Reply to  Kabir

Stating facts is not “trolling”

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
1 day ago

A lot of Pakistanis are also frustrated with the growing economic divide and what it entails.

See all the wailing in Pakistan about India not playing cricket with them or doing handshakes lol.

Well, will take time to get adjusted with the new normal as the gap grows.

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
1 day ago

‘Despite being a good film, Dhurandhar hurts because Pakistanis who grew up on Bollywood donโ€™t see India as โ€˜otherโ€™ in their heads’- Pakistani critic Sabahat Zakariya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIMVJylrIY0

bombay_badshah
bombay_badshah
1 day ago

Twitter thread today on the same topic.

https://x.com/YearOfTheKraken/status/2001613090534850927

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 day ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

“Pakistani liberals are sad bunch, they are in a toxic marriage with their husband (Pakistani society). They had a thing going with their lover (indian liberals). Now their lover has become a pathetic shell of itself. “

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 day ago
Reply to  bombay_badshah

“Pakistani Liberals hate Pakistani Society. They might not say it openly but they end up revealing it time and again that they do consider Indian Art, Culture, Entertainment, Media and pretty much everything superior to their Pakistani Counterparts. They desperately want to be part of this Indian Elite Cultural Mosaic. But they are Pakistani Muslims as well, and that part of their identity is important to them, so they wish to participate in without compromising on their identity. Indian Secular Politics provides them with that opportunity. It does not demand that they publicly acknowledge the superiority of Indian Culture to participate in it. They can be loyal Pakistanis and still participate in the cultural scene under Indian Secular Regimes. Hindutva makes no such concessions. Hindutva makes a lot of demands from them which, frankly, they will never be able to accommodate. And so, they rage and rave against it.”

RecoveringNewsJunkie
RecoveringNewsJunkie
1 day ago

That’s…….. gonna leave a bruise.

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