The Pakistani Crisis Is Not Just LegalโItโs Civilizational
By X.T.M
As I write this, the news of Sana Yusufโs murder is barely 48 hours old. A 17-year-old TikTok creator with over a million followers, she was gunned down in Karachi by a 22-year-old stalker. She was a rising starโfunny, expressive, beloved. And now, she is dead.
Weโve been here before. Qandeel Baloch. Noor Mukadam. Khadija Siddiqui. Now Sana.
Every few years, Pakistan reels in collective shock at the killing of yet another woman by a man convinced of his right to possess, control, or erase her. And every time, some voices insist โthis is not our culture.โ But what if it is?
๐Not an AnomalyโBut an Outcome
Sanaโs murder is not an aberration. It is the predictable consequence of a society structured around honor, control, and male entitlement. Patriarchy in Pakistan isnโt just culturalโitโs systemic, generational, and fiercely defended.
Honor killings are not fringe phenomena. They are expressions of a moral code in which a womanโs visibilityโher autonomy, her sexuality, even her presence onlineโis seen as a threat. A threat that must be punished. This is not just misogyny; this is civilisational rot.
Tragically, I find myself agreeing with Kabir that he is one of the most liberal voices in Pakistan. And that alone speaks volumes: even the liberals seem more invested in opposing India than confronting the rot within their own society.
โ๏ธ The Law Isnโt Enough
Pakistani defenders of the status quo often point to the law: โHonor killing is illegal. Rape is illegal. We have rights.โ But laws, when divorced from social transformation, become fig leaves. The murderer of Noor Mukadam, Zahir Jaffer, was the U.S.-educated son of an industrialist. He ordered a cook and guard to detain Noor while he tortured and beheaded her.
The problem isnโt a lack of legalityโitโs a surplus of impunity and a deficit of introspection.
Even Pakistanโs former Prime Minister Imran Khan, in 2021, publicly stated that womenโs clothing โtemptsโ menโnormalizing male lack of self-control as a biological fact. Hundreds of womenโs rights activists signed statements of protest. But the rot had already been mainstreamed.
๐ Global Contrasts, Civilizational Consequences
When I speak to Pakistani menโparticularly those raised in elite, English-speaking circlesโIโm often struck by their inability to critique their own cultural foundations. They quote Quran, law, and family values. But they rarely ask: what kind of manhood do we glorify? What kind of moral code are we upholding?
In contrast, the Hindu, Christian, and Reform Jewish traditionsโfor all their flawsโhave undergone civilizational interrogation. The Enlightenment, liberalism, and waves of feminist reform have broken many old idols. Even where regression exists, so does internal dissent.
The Bahรกโรญ Faith, my own religious tradition, co-evolved with modernity. From its inception, it mandated equal education for girls and boys, and placed spiritual agency and moral autonomy at the core of its vision. In 19th-century Iran, Bahรกโรญs emerged from among the ulama and merchant classesโbut within generations, built a sub-elite defined by gender equity, merit, and self-discipline.
This is what real religious transformation looks like.
๐ต๐ฐ The Pakistani Crisis Is Elite-Driven
What makes Pakistanโs case uniquely chilling is that elite men are often the perpetrators. Unlike India, where the worst sexual violence is disproportionately committed by men from marginalized socio-economic strata, Pakistanโs misogyny cuts across class lines. The violence of Zahir Jaffer is not a village problemโit is a DHA problem. An Ivy League problem. A drawing room problem.
The root lies in a moral system where male control is sacralized, and female autonomy is scandalized. As Pakistan urbanizes and opens upโdigitally, sexually, sociallyโthis friction will only grow.
And without ideological transformation, the body count will too.
๐ฏ๏ธ ย Sana Yusuf Should Be Alive
No woman should have to die for being visible. For being loved. For dancing. For making jokes on TikTok.
But until Pakistan confronts the civilizational scaffolding of its patriarchyโuntil its men, especially elite men, stop hiding behind legalism and start interrogating their valuesโthis will happen again. And again. And again.
Unbelievably tragic. What do I feel, a helpless rage that I’ve felt before and know morbidly that I will feel again when the next statistic shows up in the newspaper. Yet, there’s nothing I can do about it, except maybe hope that we learn to raise our sons as we do our daughters so that this never repeats.
Pakistan is also a super sexually regressive country so this manifests in these kind of acts, even amongst the elite.
India, due to westernization (and female empowerment) has developed a decently healthy dating/hookup culture amongst the urban classes so that demographic is not as “sexually frustrated”.
Younger generations are more liberal and as the country develops I see this spreading.
Arranged marriage will be dead in India in 30-40 years (like it did in Japan, China and Korea).
These kinds of murders should not be used as occasions for cheap point scoring.
Do you need to be reminded of the Nirbhaya rape and murder?
Not doing point scoring. Putting out a fact.
Like X.T.M mentioned and I have – it is the elite in Pakistan who do this shit.
Noor Mukadam’s murderer was some rich businessman. His Indian equivalent would be “casually dating” 2-3 women at the same time and be nonplussed about marriage.
Nirbhaya’s perpetrators were poor labourers from the Hindi heartland. Does not fall into the category I mention.
If it makes you feel better to think that you are better than Pakistan, have at it. Maybe you should compare yourself to first world countries instead?
Some things are too serious for this kind of behavior.
I don’t think we are better than Pakistan, we ARE better than Pakistan.
First world countries are what we aspire to and that’s what we are inching towards.
Our goals are normal humble goals like reduce poverty, increase living standards, women empowerment etc not lofty goals like Pakistan’s dreams of establishing “Riasat-e-Pudina”.
You don’t even compare to China let alone to a first world country. Stop being delusional.
The point isn’t the comparison. It’s the aspiration. And the trends.
You have to know your destination to know your journey.
Let me do another fact based rebuttal to which you will again have no reply.
In the 2023 UNDP HDI report:
China – 0.798 with 1.02% growth between 2010-23
India – 0.685 with 0.99% growth between 2010-23
Pakistan – 0.544 with 0.71% growth between 2010-23
India currently has the HDI China did between 2008-09 so gap of 15 years.
Pakistan currently has the HDI Pakistan did between 2006-7 so gap of 17 years.
But look at the growth trends.
This is what happens mid-century:
India will solidly be at 0.8+ which is high HDI (will prolly be at 0.83-0.85 level which is current day Russia/Turkey level that is lower end of the first world)
China will be at 0.9+ and bonafide first world alongside Japan, Korea etc.
Pakistan will be at somewhere around 0.65, which is less than current day India.
It is you who is in denial, Kabir because like an old compatriot of yours once said “A shining India makes Pakistan look very dim in comparison”.
So you choose to live in denial.
Whatever makes you feel better. You have some obsession with being better than Pakistan.
It’s getting rather pathetic. Grow up.
Already are better.
You stop living in denial and grow up.
Let’s grant that you are better. Why is it so important for you to keep repeating it?
Insecure much?
I repeat it only when you try to do “sem2sem” to show you the reality.
I have no interest in comparisons otherwise.
My initial reply was with regards to a point made in the post by X.T.M regarding the behaviour of the urban elite men in Pakistan. I just said why it is no longer prevalent in the same class of men in India.
You were the one who brought up Nirbhaya whose perpetrators are not in the same class and that has not been denied by me.
You are one of these “urban elite men in Pakistan”.
Did you feel that X.T.M’s original post and my reply hit too close to home?
Guilty much?
Don’t cross the line. Every time you feel threatened you resort to personal attacks.
For all of our sakes, you need to see a psychiatrist.
Did he do a personal attack.
I critique Pakistan because I do love it (like I do Iran, India or the UK).
I feel Honey gets a bit tiresome tbh; itโs just hate on his side.
I havenโt been to Pakistan in 2 decades; I donโt โknowโ it anymore, I remember it.
Pakistan has problems but I donโt think itโs constructive to break the will of the people.
Itโs like the kid struggling at school; you either mock him for his grades or you encourage him to find his niche.
You simply gloat and almost pathological, itโs not healthy in that respect with respect.
Of course Pakistan has problems. It’s a conservative country and in some ways it’s getting more conservative with time. General Zia’s Islamization really did a number on the country.
Recently in Islamabad, a law had been passed setting 18 as the minimum age for marriage–which seems entirely reasonable to me. Yet this law has been challenged in the Federal Shariat Court since it “contradicts Islamic principles was enacted in violation of Quran and Sunnah”. Obviously religious fundamentalism is a problem.
But Indians gloating about how fabulous and progressive India is gets extremely tiresome. India has its own problems and in many ways Modi is taking the country backwards. He’s an elected version of General Zia.
I donโt think Modi is the elected version of Zia tbh; thatโs a false comparison.
In the sense that he is pushing Hindutva just as Zia pushed Islamism.
But if that comparison seems unfair to you, we can say he’s an elected Asim Munir.
Again this concept exists only in the view of the Pakistani liberal – “that Indians are also as bad as us” as it gives some comfort.
Tell me what form of Hindutva has Modi pushed legally? Has he made sati legal? Increased caste stratification? Did he make homosexuality illegal? Mandatory education in Sanskrit?
Give me real life bills/amendments passed which makes India more Hindutva.
Opinions of his supporters on the internet are not the same thing as the laws Zia passed.
In fact the government has gone the opposite way to empower women/dalits/tribals.
That 18 year age of marriage thing?
In India it was 18 since 1978. And got raised to 21 in 2021 under “gasp” Modi.
Pakistanis often accuse Indians of doing things that they did 30-40 years ago and which India isn’t even doing.
Like the X.T.M had said the logic seems to be “We are an Islamic republic so we are allowed bad behaviour. You as a secular republic are not”.
It’s not about “bad behavior”. It’s about the constitutional nature of the state. If India constitutionally declared itself a Hindu Rashtra, then holding it to to the standards of a secular state would be foolish.
Pakistan is an Islamic Republic. That is clearly stated in the Constitution. Are you going to argue that a sovereign state doesn’t have the right to implement whatever type of vision it wants?
Pakistanis like me wish that our own country was a secular state. I am a great admirer of Nehruvian Secularism. Which is why it pains me so much to see India becoming a “Hindu Pakistan”.
Indians themselves have lamented this. Ram Guha is not a Pakistani. But I guess you will find some other basis on which to attack him.
“Did Modi make homosexuality illegal”? It was the Supreme Court that struck down section 377. The BJP’s consistent position has been that homosexuality is “Western” culture.
By the way, Pakistan has the exact same section 377. It’s a British colonial law. But of course, gay rights in Pakistan are far behind India. Any argument to remove 377 would come up against what Islamic law says should be done to homosexuals (which is much worse than a few years in jail).
Again the same inanities.
“Ram Guha said”. “Indians lamented”.
Zia was in power for 11 years during which he passed a lot of Islamist laws.
Modi has been also in power for 11 years. Can you mention a single “Hindutva” law he has passed?
There is no difference between his economic/social policies and the Manmohan Singh government’s.
Not really – Modi actually patronises the Rekha conference for instance ..
You are missing the point. Modi pushes Hindutva. His entire politics is built around being anti-Muslim (being anti-Pakistan is only part of that).
Asim Munir pushes the Two Nation Theory.
I won’t belabor this any further.
The very fact that he has to fight elections means he is not General Zia.
Contrary to most Pakistan opinion the vast majority of people who vote for BJP do not care about Hindutva and vote because of smaller scale stuff like roads, cheaper food prices. Voting for ideology is a rich man’s game.
He didn’t get the majority in 2024 simply because a sizeable chunk of the Dalit vote flipped as there was a rumour spread that affirmative action would be removed.
Despite all the claims of the BJP being a brahmin/bania party, those groups at max make up 5-6% of the country. Their main voterbase is the OBC/SC/ST population.
In fact they have won seats in Christian dominated localities in Goa as well as in tribal parts of Assam, Nagaland, Orrisa, Chattisgarh.
See Kabir, I’ll be very polite and make a point: India is a richer and more progressive place than Pakistan.
All metrics attest to that.
Mentioning that is not “gloating”, it’s a fact.
Similar to saying China is richer and more progressive than India.
Or the USA is richer and more progressive than China.
That might be referenced from time to time to make a point. You cannot be outraged over that and make false equivalences.
Like for example the post where I mentioned the reason for why the elite class in India do not exhibit such behaviour which was a reply to something mentioned in X.T.M’s original post.
You were the one who interpreted it as “point scoring” and went off on a different tangent.
ah the tired trope thats the newest entrant into Pak elite’s copium. India is doing what Pak did with zia. which is patently false, but allows the pseudo-elite in Pak to nod their heads and find yet another fabulously fake, manufactured excuse to feel ‘superior’ and manage the inferiority complex.
So when Indian liberals like Ram Guha say that Modi is creating a Hindu Pakistan, this is “Pak elite copium”.
You just don’t like liberals.
This is no way to argue but I guess expecting logic from some of you is too much.
You are the one who has no logic.
Your arguments are all “he says she says”.
Give me concrete examples of laws/bills passed that have made India a Hindu Pakistan in the last 11 years?
Like Ahmadis are not considered Muslim has there been any law passed that states that some sub sect of Hindus are not Hindus and can’t practice Hindu festivals?
Has there any amendment been passed that says only a Hindu can be PM?
Has the word secular been removed from the constitution?
Like Daves has said just “Pak elite copium”.
Pakistani elite have been unable to digest India rising since the reforms (and especially post 9/11) and peeling away and dearly wish for Narendra Modi to make India a “Hindu Pakistan” so that both countries can wallow in poverty and remain “sem2sem”.
Much to their annoyance, Modi is just a normal leader with the exact same policies as the Manmohan government emphasizing economic growth with some socialist characteristics in the form of subsidies/handouts.
It is still the same “Nehruvian secular republic” just with a BJP PM.
Modi has the same policies as the Manmohan government? Sell this to someone who is less aware of what is going on in India.
Under Dr. Manmohan Singh Muslims were not being lynched for eating beef. Dr. Manmohan Singh was not constantly using anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistan rhetoric. Most importantly, Dr. Manmohan Singh had not presided over an anti-minority pogrom.
If it were only the “Pak elite” that was saying that India is becoming a Hindu Pakistan, you could reject it. But liberals in your own country argue that. The Financial Times equated your PM with Asim Munir by referring to them both as “religious strongmen”.
I’m not going to belabor this anymore because you’re not going to be convinced. But neither do I find this line of argument convincing.
If I show statistics that violence against muslims has decreased, riots have decreased, instances of communal violence are down kabir will just dismiss them as ‘subjective’ stats or surveys.
Anyway, here they are:
Year, Incidents
2005, 779
2006, 698
2007, 761
2008, 943
2009, 849
2010, 701
2011, 580
2012, 668
2013, 823
2014, 644
2015, 751
2016, 703
2017, 822
2018, 512
2019, 438
2020, 857
2021, 378
Interestingly while searching for “communal violence in india statistics” I found no less than 10 news reports (all the usual suspects) of an 84% increase in communal violence in 2024
The number seems to have gone up from 32 instances in 2023 to 59 in 2024. The CSSS page even has the shamelessness to plot a graph with 2 data points.
This is the subjective data torture that needs to be done to create the false narrative that communal violence is increasing when it is decreasing.
Because the truth is not important. What is important is the narrative that reinforces the opinion held with unshakeable faith.
You cannot convince someone who has already made up their mind. The more proof you show the more they will dismiss it and dig in.
Here is an article with on the ground reports of the improvement of law and order in UP, just to back the statistics.
https://theprint.in/ground-reports/muslims-say-law-and-order-has-improved-in-western-up-but-voting-for-bjp-against-our-imaan/2045786/
Of course I know none of this will convince Kabir (I have no interest in doing so anymore), it is for the rest of the readers.
I have no interest anymore in arguing with people that are just going to reflexively defend the Modi regime.
You do you. But then any calls you make of Pakistanis to “introspect” are hypocritical.
๐, as I’ve already stated I have no interest whatsoever in convincing you of anything. It would be insane to think you could accept any numbers that contradict your dearly held beliefs.
Just a point on ‘hypocrisy’ I did look into all your myriad complaints about India, this was the introspection.
Is democracy backsliding? The stats emphatically say no, Indians very clearly feel otherwise.
Has violence against minorities increased under BJP ? The stats say no but it has not been a drastic decline either.
Of course India is a poor, corrupt, intolerant country prone to misogyny and religious violence but the direction it is pointing at is away from those things.
Except free speech. That has been terrible and is not improving.
Not trying to convince you, just establishing no hypocrisy on my side, I will continue to enjoy pointing out yours as I wish with a clear conscience.
Like that bit where you say (paraphrasing) “it’s a tragedy, don’t point score now” and then proceed to do so for the next 2 days.
“Indians very clearly feel otherwise”– So now you claim the authority to speak for the entire Indian population? There are plenty of liberals in your society that do feel democracy is backsliding and have said so in no uncertain terms. Is Ram Guha not an Indian? Sorry this is a right-wing move to dismiss all criticism from liberals.
“Has violence against minorities increased under BJP?”– I’ll just leave this here about the Delhi Pogroms of 2020.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/what-happened-delhi-was-pogrom/607198/
I guess you’ll now come up with something against “The Atlantic” and Mira Kamdar. Is it a Western conspiracy?
I’ve really tried with you. But you seem to have a great problem accepting any criticism of Modi ji. Sadly there seems to be no scope for any kind of dialogue between Indians and Pakistanis if you are completely incapable of introspecting about Hindutva.
The only thing that comforts me is that BJP voters are only 30% of the electorate. There are still plenty of sensible Indians who vote for Congress.
Don’t show BS articles, I can also post so many articles based on my view point.
Show numbers, Indian faith in democracy is the highest in the world.
The highest. Look at stats.
https://6389062.fs1.hubspotusercontent-na1.net/hubfs/6389062/Canva%20images/Democracy%20Perception%20Index%202023.pdf
Guha is 1 unhappy Indian, sure you will find a few more. I’m talking of the 1.4Billion of whom a representative survey is taken.
Anti muslim violence – Show numbers, not articles, those are NCRB numbers.
You keep doing Guha Guha Guha meditation, if you repeat it often enough it ends up Haggu.
I was waiting for a take down of Mira Kamdar. She studied philosophy with Derrida and Foucault and wrote a dissertation on Diderot. If I had to guess, she’s probably much more qualified than you.
๐ The great debater, who ignores all facts & figures. Dissertations on Diderot in an American College makes somebody an expert to judge religious violence in India. Hahahaha, that is pretty funny.
Look at her numbers in that article.
Modiโs image as a pragmatic, business-oriented leader who has eschewed Hindu extremism now lies in tatters. Indiaโs economy is expected to grow at a rate of just 5 percent this year, its lowest rate in 11 years. The poverty rate in India is rising again. More than one-third of Indiaโs more than 1.3 billion people are from the ages of 15 to 24. They have little hope of finding a job.All her predictions and points are completely wrong. Oh, but she studies philosophy. I did economics, numbers matter, opinions don’t.
Oh, I forgot.
X.T.M I would like to flag Kabir for implicitly using autism as a derogatory term
That insult is unacceptable! Autistophobia must not be tolerated.
Thank you ๐
Oh economics! I’m so impressed!
You still have no idea how to debate in the humanities.
Calm down Kabir. It can be quite shattering to have dearly held beliefs proven wrong. We are all quite happy to help you through the red pill.
Open your eyes to the secular state, one nation, one people, living side by side in harmony (relative harmony that is, still a bit chaotic).
The 2 nation theory is a fiction, the world that has been pulled over your eyes to enslave you. Throw off your mental yoke of religious division, embrace the shared history.
“The Two nation theory is a fiction”— Just like Hindutva is a fiction.
Once again, I have no issue with shared history.
2 nation theory got jettisoned into the garbage can of history by the Bengalis. The Baloch and PTM likely will have their own say about it.
Meanwhile ‘Hindoooootva’ is experiencing a renaissance, politically and culturally. Fiction/fact whatever. History is written by the winners, not by the bankrupt. A century from now, who knows, maybe Pakistan goes the same way as ‘Khorasan’. A footnote somewhere.
Pakistan isn’t going anywhere. We are a nuclear power. India really doesn’t want to test us.
You need to calm the hell down.
Hahahahaha
Pak just got bombed and Pak didn’t do anything. North Korea is also a nuclear power so nothing great. Pak’s nukes are some of the weakest in the world and they don’t have second strike capabilities or a triad.
USSR, a much greater nuclear power broke down.
What is Pakistan?
The TTP/BLA menace has only begun. Now in the age of drones and asymmetrical warfare, these groups can cause major major pain.
Check this Taliban footage of them doing a precise bomb strike.
https://x.com/BEEROJMASEED/status/1929976413324509188
Consider the TFR in Balochistan as well as the Pashtun areas of Pakistan as well as Afghanistan, Pak are in for years and years of pain.
Pak Punjabis will be crying to Indians to include them in the CA in the future lol.
Then why do you keep crying about it all the time?
Calm down Kabir
How is democracy backsliding when elections are taking place as normal and BJP did not get a majority this time as well as have lost a variety of state elections in the last few years?
A Pakistani who has never seen a Prime Minister completing a full term in 75 years is lecturing about democracy?
Were the lynchings done due to a law passed by Modi?
Or done by government workers?
Again you are back to the “XYZ said. ABC said”.
Give me concrete laws/bills passed.
One thing Modi is compared to Manmohan, he has a more hawkish stance on Pakistan.
And that is what irks you, not this loss of the “liberal secular spirit” that you like to fake.
Anti-Pakistan is not Anti-Muslim.
Pakistan is not the thekedar of Muslims.
More Muslims die in Pakistan than in India in spite of having around the same number of them.
Is the dead Sana Yusuf not a Muslim? Or do women don’t count?
You hit the nail on the head with this comment:
“One thing Modi is compared to Manmohan, he has a more hawkish stance on Pakistan.
And that is what irks you, not this loss of the โliberal secular spiritโ that you like to fake.”
In fact I’ll generalize it further to say that this reaction is representative of the Pakistani public at large, be them the urban elite or the mullafied masses.
Forget Pakistan. Dr. Manmohan Singh did not preside over an anti-Muslim pogrom in India.
Let’s leave aside Gujarat 2002. Delhi 2020 was a pogrom as well.
The 1984 Sikh pogrom was a pogrom. Hindus and Muslims both died in 2002 and 2020. Both were triggered by the murder of Hindus. But yes, please continue to gaslight the victims and insult the living.
Clearly you have no idea what the word “Pogrom” means.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/02/what-happened-delhi-was-pogrom/607198/
Mira Kamdar is not a Pakistani.
You’re the one engaging in gaslighting. Clearly you are not bothered when Muslims are killed.
They really hate it that the current Indian government doesn’t even engage with them, treating them like non-entities.
The IWT is halted and India is working post-haste on their projects and Pakistanis are miffed that Indians are not even responding to their pleas for talks.
A few years later Pakistanis will accept a revised IWT which is more favorable to India and will go back home and sell their awaam – “We forced India to restore the IWT” and then celebrate “IWT restoration day”.
Pakistanis should be grateful to Indians for giving them so many holidays lol.
How many times does one have to tell you that turning off Pakistan’s waters is considered an act of war and a nuclear red line? Lt. Gen. Kidwai made this clear many many years ago.
There is no provision in the IWT for one side to unilaterally abrogate it. Also China has told India that if India can turn off Pakistan’s waters, China will turn off India’s water.
Meanwhile, Hindu Hriday Samrat hasn’t even been invited to the G7. Your country is diplomatically isolated.
“China will turn off India’s water”. Lol. Go look at a map.
India is the upper riparian when it comes to Pakistan. China is the upper riparian when it comes to India.
Don’t do to others what you don’t want done to you. China has already said as much.
not all ‘upper riparians’ are created equal. Its good that you know some big words. Would be better if you actually know what the words mean. ‘Turning off water’ requires that the water be flowing from upstream. In China-India’s case, if the CCP thugs attempted to do this, they wouldn’t hurt India as much as it would hurt Pakistan or Bangladesh.
But the Pakistani wet dreams of some or other ‘big brother’ hurting India on their behalf continue to live on.
Brahmaputra is anyways monsoon fed.
India is the upper riparian for the rivers which gives Pakistan’s richest state its name as well as the most important river for the country – The Indus.
China is the upper riparian for a river which is anyways monsoon fed and which only impacts 3% of India’s population (and will impact Bangladesh even more).
We are going to keep building dams and infrastructure on the rivers. China is free to do as well.
That doesn’t change anything for Pakistan.
Pakistani ‘red lines’ got bombed to smithereens in Bholari, Skardu, Kirana, Nur Khan, Sargodha etc etc. PakMil stood castrated in front of its own Awaam. And of course proceeded to promptly celebrate victory. oh the Rafales!
You can troll all you like. I sense your frustration.
Bottom line is we are not deterred. We are planning for your next attack.
Pakistan is one country that will never accept Indian hegemony.
You are the troll here Kabir.
You can “plan” all you like. Won’t be able to do anything about it just like you weren’t in the last conflict.
Indian hegemony is due to it’s economic size not some “Riasat-e-Pudina” type delusions that Pakistan have.
Pakistan can continue to fight an arms race against a country 12x bigger (and growing even bigger) and thus increase the economic gap further or like Bangladesh they can accept the hegemony and enjoy economic growth.
You can believe whatever you like. I don’t think you want to call the nuclear bluff. Nuclear war would be a disaster not just for Pakistan and India but for the whole world.
Since you mention Bangladesh, even they think you are a bully. Sheikh Hasina was a client of the Modi regime. Now that she’s gone, things are different.
Yeah, things are different – their economic growth has slowed down.
All those years of being a client state, they enjoyed a booming economy which led to them surpassing Pakistan in all socioeconomic metrics.
Anyways, elections will happen and they will come around.
Just like SL and the Maldives.
No one grows in this region without good relations with daddy India.
Pakistan is too thick to understand that so they keep growing at European growth rates while being poorer than sub-saharan Africa.
Pakistan’s economic growth is so bad that it doesn’t even fit the pattern of other high growth Asian countries that IMF has actually put it in a different category than most of South Asia – Middle East and Central Asia while most of South Asia lies in Emerging and Developing Asia. Even IMF have realized (via all the loans) that Pakistan is not going to “emerge” or “develop”.
The border of “rising Asia” stops at India’s west border.
Just look at the trend-lines. Difference will be even more stark further in the future.
you both are trolling now.
I’m not interested in trolling.
However, it seems that it is OK for Indian commentators to come together and bully the one and only Pakistani commentator.
Eventually that’s going to lead to BP becoming an echo-chamber for (mostly) right-wing Indians to talk to each other.
The problem is you talk hogwash and cry when corrected.
This is something you said:
“But the problem is that aggressive posturing by India as well as rising Hindutva only serve to strengthen right-wing forces in Pakistan.”
As if Pakistan were some super secular left liberal democracy in the 50+ years of Congress rule.
But one of the Indian posters pointing this fact out would hurt you and you would call it “trolling”.
I have put 5 of Honeyโs posts on pending. Both of you are just riling each other up.
Kabir you too, just take a break from the keyboard; no need to shoot stuff off..
People need to be civilised about how they speak to one another.
I had no idea you and Dave were the same person. that’s very odd tbh.. I’m putting all your comments on pending until and unless you calm down.
and you agree to calm down.
I am literally not Dave. I don’t know how you came to that conclusion.
Ajit Doval and Mohammad Jinnah yeah but no Daves.
I agree to calm down.
But I’m just replying to Kabir’s hyperventilating without even being insulting in the recent posts and all are fact based with data.
but calm not every point has to be addressed. I have enabled all your comments but calm
I know that ‘news’ in Pakistan is bayaaaniyaa centric. But newsflash – Indian hegemony is a thing. And your country lived it on 10th may and beyond. Hence the begging bowl for loans has been temporarily displaced by the more urgent begging bowl for ‘international third parties’ to try and get the Indian government to agree to talks with Pakistan.
X.T.M: This is what I mean by Indian bullying. Multiple people seem to get their jollies by insulting Pakistan.
If it’s not acceptable to speak to Indians like this, it is definitely not acceptable to take this tone with a Pakistani.
Ok but Kabir itโs maybe best not to dwell on everything they write?
Sure, but the point is more general. It is not acceptable to take this kind of tone with a Pakistani. Unless that is you want the forum to be only for right-wing Indians.
I think X.T.M has consistently said he is super happy for you and anyone else to contribute. If you have a point of view to put across maybe write an article about it. There is no need to turn this place into a shouting match. The repeated call is for an elevated discussion rather than just recriminations.
My words are not directed only at you. There is no purpose to be served in this bickering, it does not make the world one iota better.
Amen
For the record, I used to contribute to BP. It become so toxic that I even stopped looking at this site for several years.
If the articles here don’t mention Pakistan, you will not get a peep out of me. The minute you attack my country though, I will respond.
Feels like peeing in the pool and complaining about the smell.
Abnegation of collective social responsibility is the root of all pollution.
We can all enjoy a clean space with a very limited ego sacrifice.
I have no more to say, feel free to have the last word.
Kabir it might be worth to discuss topics you have expertise in like music?
That was tried before if you recall. Literally no one cared.
Unfortunately, what drives engagement is India-Pakistan stuff.
The commentariat, all of us, is evolving furthermore while there are hot-topic issues, it’s also good to diversify topics.
So for instance since this Blog is very interested in communalism; it’s good to do a post on the syncretic nature of Hindustani music and who contributed what to what (Mughals to Kathak etc etc)
So it’s about being able to share your topic but also connecting with the audience..
I mean it’s been more than a month now that this “red line” has been crossed and Pakistan still hasn’t done anything because it can’t.
Again back to crying for daddy. China can do what it wants. Just like India can.
In fact, Pakistan can ask China to send some of that water via the CPEC. Let it finally be of some use lol.
Again, you Pak Nationalist lies emerge lol. You can’t hide it however you want.
India hasn’t been invited to the G7 because India is not a member of the G7. China has never been invited to the G7. Are they also “diplomatically isolated”?
And this is again a Pakistani getting too big for his boots who requires to be cut down to size.
Where do you get off on talking about G-7 lol? Pakistan is too insignificant a country.
You guys are not even a member of G-20. Heck you wouldn’t be member of a G-40 lol with that joke of an economy smaller than the likes of powerhouses Romania, Colombia, Bangladesh et al.
You are not even a member of the FATF which India is a member of. Only thing Pakistan keeps being a member of is the grey list.
Stop with your delusions and go wear a salwar and ride your 70cc bike in the streets of Lahore, Kabir. These G-7/G-20 stuff is not for your ilk. Aadmi ko aukaat me rehna chahiye humesha.
India has been invited to the G7 previously. Not this time.
What’s your obession with shalwars and bikes? Once again, you have no idea who you are speaking to. How dare you speak to me about “aukat”!
X.T.M: Control the Indian troll.
Yeah. Well it’s the G7’s prerogative to invite who they want.
My point is who are you to even comment on that lol.
Like I said, know your aukaat as a a country.
Maybe first have the industrial capacity to make a bike more modern than the 70cc dinosaurs you lot ride (phased out in India in the 90s) and then talk.
X.T.M: This troll started his nonsense again. I’m just replying back.
You’re obsessed with bikes. My family has had chauffeur-driven cars since the 1930s.
You have no idea who are dealing with.
Your family were the chauffeurs driving those cars. Why did you skip that, Kabir?
Your father carried out that family tradition by driving cabs in NYC I assume. You are one of those Queens desis.
You moved back simply cause the joys of wearing salwar and driving 70cc bikes in the streets of Lahore were more alluring to you than driving cabs in the NYC area.
Keep it positive. Vitriol only blackens the mood. Not trying to moderate, just trying to appeal to increasing +ve net vibe.
I mean he is the one starting it with his nonsense.
I know but everyone looks askance at kicking down. It is human nature, some sort of inbuilt empathy which we need to contend with, regardless of whether it is deserved or not.
If he is as rich as he says, then not really kicking down lol.
You can moderate – Iโve not kept up with this thread
LOL! What a fantasy.
If you must know, my maternal grandfather was a lawyer and my paternal grandfather was a civil servant. My father spent his career at the World Bank.
You’re completely delusional.
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LOL. My father has a Phd from Stanford. I grew up in one of the wealthiest zip codes in the US. I’ll even tell you what the number is: 20817
What’s this obsession with the national dress? Are you a dhoti wallah?
Hey Kabir,
India is invited to the G7. Carney himself phoned Modi and invited him.
Ab bol bete.
Trudeau wanted to be a hero but as soon as Carney came into power mended relations with Modi. Even Anita Anand was quick to establish connections post election.
As soon as the new government comes into power in Bangladesh, they will mend relations.
India is going to be the 3rd largest economy in 2 years and is the fastest growing major economy in the world.
Everyone wants to be on the good side of such a country.
Pakistanis are too thick to get it so they remain in low income purgatory.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/indias-modi-says-he-has-received-invitation-g7-summit-canada-2025-06-06/
Hahahahahaha
You are chunnu munnu nation, Kabir. Accept that.
oops. Kanneda just invited “Hindu Hriday Samraat” to the G7 meet. Commiserations Kabir, one more copium taken away from you.
Vinashakalay vipprrit budhi. What else to say frankly?! I’m done trying to convince Kabir of the obvious.
‘Mudi/RSS/BJP/Hindutva’ are all just dogwhistles to indulge in bigotry. Its not like the Pakistani state or its citizenry were ‘fine’ with India in Invia’s first 50 years (pre-BJP).
Absolutely. No more Aman ka tamasha only Brahmos ki bhasha (read this on someone’s twitter feed).
You want to play that game? The Pakistan Army is ready for you.
How many planes do you want to lose the next time?
Grow the hell up.
Pakistan army can’t even handle ragtag BLA/TTP who kill 5-6 of their numbers each day and then release video proof (something Pak army can’t do for their false claims).
More than 50% of the country is outside Pakistan’s control so much that they can’t even hold cricket matches there. Like I have mentioned before, the Peshawar and Quetta teams in the PSL have played a sum total of ZERO matches in Peshawar/Quetta EVER.
Last time Pakistan Army fought a proper war 93,000 surrendered and more than half the country left.
India will lose ZERO planes like it did on the 10th when it was bombing PAF bases with impunity. Pak lucked out on 7th because India was only targeting terrorist hideouts and did not do DEAD/SEAD.
Considering the ease with which India was hitting Pakistan’s biggest cities with ease while Pakistan could not even penetrate small towns on the Indian border, next time there is a war Kabir will be an Indian citizen in a week.
Then maybe he can finally achieve his dream of voting for secular Congress. ๐๐๐๐
You can keep believing your propaganda. The international community knows that the war was a stalemate. Pakistan’s Air force is just as good as–if not better–than India’s air force.
It literally isn’t.
The thing about Pakistanis are that they know that Pakistan is so irrelevant they seek support from the “international community”.
Begged the “international community” for a ceasefire. Now Bilawal running around getting the “international community” to restore the IWT.
Brother we are one of the big boys of the international community.
The Indian Air Force on two separate days took out multiple targets in Pakistan with precision and not one attack was thwarted. This was supplemented with video footage, satellite images (also carried by your “international media”) as well as videos from Pakistanis on social media (Who can forget the video of those Pakistan men in salwars riding 70cc bikes scream Ya Allah Madad as Modi made Pakistan see an early sunrise).
Pakistani Air Force in the meantime could not hit a single military target in India. Operation Baniyan Chaddi was a complete failure.
Probably those guys just flew around in circles while their awaam was sold some chooran and the Pak establishment were crying to daddy Donald. In the meanwhile, India was pounding PAF bases with impunity.
Every single day “Dolun” tells the world he brokered the ceasefire. Now even Russia has admitted it was a US-Brokered ceasefire.
India is not as great as you think it is.
XTM: Please control the Indian troll.
“Dolun” is right now fighting on X with his friend “Elon” so pardon me if I don’t take him seriously.
India is way greater than you think it is.
You are in denial.
India wants to be a superpower. It’s not even the regional hegemon.
You are so proud that you can win a war (let’s say for argument’s sake that you won) with a country which is the size of Utter Pradesh.
with the population of Uttar Pradesh not the size.
It is the regional hegemon.
No one is proud. It was a given. It’s just good fun.
It’s like an India Pakistan cricket match. Everyone knows India is going to win big but doing it is so much fun.
The nukes, you keep forgetting the nukes , the reason you need the nukes because without it, you would lose any conventional war. As it is, you got the nukes precisely because you lost half the country. You know the 1971 war where pak army committed horrendous crimes against humanity, genocide, rapes. People who are walking , talking moral garbage engage in denial about that.Pakistan war born out of ethnic cleansing, furthered by genocide and now supports terrorists. This brief escalation was precisely because of targeted killing of hindu civilians by terrorists, and other terrorists harbored by Pakistan. May be you need to get rid off terrorists before talking about anything about morality.
Not sure how much to believe, but as per the Austrian war expert Tom Cooper; Pakistan was no longer an operational nuclear power on the 10th of May. Either way, the nuclear bluff has been called.
Kabir, I see the nationalist side of you in these exchanges and I do understand where you’re coming from. But I also see a side that is living in a parallel universe.
Based on what you’ve written about your background, I’d say you’re uniquely placed to make a genuine difference in Pakistan for the better. You don’t wish to admit the flaws in Pakistan to the adversary, perfectly fine; but I hope that you do try to change the discourse within your social circle and beyond to a constructive one vis-a-vis the issues in your own country (you have addressed them here including the elite honour killings or the Islamization mess Zia got you guys in).
There are plenty of Pakistanis who are pushing for a more liberal country (what in shorthand is often called “Jinnah’s Pakistan”). Plenty of Pakistanis who push for civilian supremacy with respect to the armed forces.
But the problem is that aggressive posturing by India as well as rising Hindutva only serve to strengthen right-wing forces in Pakistan.
X.T.M recently wrote about Pervez Hoodbhoy who is probably one of the most liberal people there are in the country. But since he criticizes the RSS and the BJP along with criticizing the Two Nation Theory, even he doesn’t seem to be acceptable to many Indians.
If your idea of a liberal Pakistani is one who believes in national surrender to India than I’m sorry that’s not a realistic expectation.
Pakistani liberals should first come to terms with the fact that the very foundation of Pakistan was on an illiberal premise.
Until that happens, the delusions will continue.
Even now, you are trying to portray “Jinnah’s Pakistan” as some secular wonderland just dominated by Muslims while reality is “Jinnah’s Pakistan” is what is in front of you.
You really think you could build a country on such an Islamist idea and it would turn out to be a “normal” country? Lol.
The first thing is accepting that the creation of Pakistan itself was wrong. Nothing wrong with this acceptance. Pakistan won’t disappear nor will India take over.
But unless that happens, “Pakistani liberals” will remain blinded to what ails the country and keep coping by saying stuff like “Hindutva making Pakistan more non-democratic, more Islamic” etc.
As if in the 50+ years when India was under Congress rule Pakistan was some secular democracy where Prime Ministers completed their terms and there were no blasphemy laws and Ahmadis lived happily lol.
Ironically, the most ‘liberal’ version of Pakistan still ends up being a bigoted hinduphobic Islamosupremacist vision. And the laugher is that folks espousing this nonsense see themselves as self-styled ‘center-left’ or ‘liberal’.
And of course, all if not most of Pakistani ‘troubles’ are to be blamed on those ‘bad hindus’ across the border.
The tunnel vision and lack of self-awareness is hilariously comic-tragic.
Nobody in India wants a surrender from Pakistan. Most want to ignore Pakistan. The aggression stems only, and only from Pakistani initiated shenanigans of terrorism.
You are the ones who got bombed all across the country like some African country (although Pakistan has lower HDI/pci than most African countries) and you didn’t do anything about it.
That is LITERALLY called calling the nuclear bluff.
We didn’t have nukes in 1965. India still didn’t win that war. Remember when your attack against Lahore was repulsed? Clearly, you’ve forgotten the Battle of Burki.
The international community has seen no evidence that Pakistan had anything to do with Pahalgam. You cannot start a war with a nuclear-armed country without any evidence.
Calm Honey
Calm Kabir
Guys I may start to summarily lock a thread if it degenerates into the same repetitive IndoPak jingoism. Just as fyi- I donโt want the BP comment boards to simply be ad nauseum .. Kabir vs. Honey duelling with spectators. Exchange WhatsApps and hash it out accordingly..
can, just did. Bombed them repeatedly at time and place of choosing.
sorry I thought you were Honey; but calm please..
I think it will be interesting to go back some time considering you visit India often.
Just so you can see a real life comparison.
they’re both feeding off of each other, its a vicious cycle.
why is that any discussion of Pakistani problems inevitably has you digressing to discussing Indian ones. Real or exaggerated?
I know the answer already. I suggest you ask yourself though.
To make it simple for you: I was objecting to framing honor killings as simply a Pakistani problem when it is a South Asian one.
Elite honor killing is a Pakistani problem though as X.T.M mentioned in the original post.
Keep objecting. Reality doesn’t care for your tribalism.
Honey – I think you are a little bit obsessed with Pakistan tbh..
I just reply back. I have no interest in Pakistan otherwise.
LOL. You get your jollies from attacking Pakistan.
Then let Kabir say his piece: we are trying to learn from one another..
You have great insights on cricket & Indian prominence; focus on your strengths.
I am well aware of the differentials between India & Pakistan; sadly the rest of Pakistanis do need to catch up.
But the argument loses merit when itโs shoved down another personโs throat.
Focus on showcasing Indiaโs greatness rather than Pakistanโs weakness imho
Yeah fighting with Qureshi types on the internet have made me a bit of a hater tbh.
I’ll calm down.
And you can see I have kept him out; I see Qโs agenda now fairly clearly.
This is extremely tragic. I don’t know the details of the case but it should go without saying that no woman should be killed because she rejects a man.
You should also note that the Supreme Court turned down Zahir Jaffer’s appeal against the death penalty.
Imran Khan is a right-wing populist. He has extremely regressive views about morality and gender issues. There is a reason that he is called “Taliban Khan” by his detractors.
However, honor killings are not solely a Pakistani phenomenon. They are a South Asian phenomenon.
Here is a report by an Indian doctoral student in Women and Gender Studies:
https://newcollege.asu.edu/global-human-rights-hub/fellows-program/ghr-fellows-blog/namrata
“Sem2sem” now?
While it is true that honor killings are not alien to India, like X.T.M mentioned they do not exist amongst the Indian elite who have adopted Western style dating/hookup culture and “love marriages”. All of the Indian cricketers and actors have had “love marriages” which is not true for Pakistan.
As India becomes richer and this class increases, these sorts of incidents will die out.
The problem with Pakistan is that the killers are middle class or richer. Their counterparts in India would be too busy on Tinder trying to score hookups than this backward “dehati” behaviour.
Even the article you mentioned mentions “rural” India.
Also you never see honor killings in the Indian diaspora which tend to be richer and “more civilized” than the average “homeland” Indian.
Not the case with Pakistani diaspora though.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/30/world/asia/pakistan-new-york-honor-killing.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Aqsa_Parvez
Indian diaspora fathers are too busy trying to make their daughters win spelling bees. I know you consider spelling bees to be “useless” but a lot better than killing your own daughter.
“sem2sem” cope by Kabir.
Honor killings by elites are a purely Pakistani phenomenon, not “South Asian”.
Even this article mentions “rural” India.
I won’t deny honor killings occur in India but they do in the poorest parts of the country in rural areas, not in posh South Mumbai unlike the killings happening in Islamabad of all places (which Pakistanis love to kang on as a sign of their economic development).
The fact is even in the Pakistani diaspora (which Kabir often points out is “English educated” and liberal) has honor killings.
Hira Anwar from New York was killed this year. Saman Abbas from Italy was killed in 2021.
Indian diaspora fathers are more concerned with their daughters winning “useless” spelling bees rather than killing them over some misguided sense of honor.
Like X.T.M ays – Denial is not just a river in Egypt, its dammed the Indus
“The Union Minister of State for Home Affairs proclaimed that as many as 145 incidents of honour killings took place in India between 2017 and 2019. However, Evidence, an NGO working to protect the human rights of Dalit and Tribal people in the state of Tamil Nadu reported in November 2019 that there were 195 known cases of honour killings from Tamil Nadu alone in the past five years, clearly indicating the high number of unreported cases.”
https://ohrh.law.ox.ac.uk/addressing-honour-killings-in-india-the-need-for-new-legislation/
Clearly this is not a Pakistan-specific issue
Can everyone please agree broadly that yes, this is not just a Pakistan specific issue. However, the degree and the class that practices it also matters which is what I think Honey Singh is pointing out. If the Pakistani elite practice this with impunity despite a liberal upbringing and a foreign education, then the base mentality of treating women as property hasn’t changed. And what can this be attributed to? The rot is at the top; so what is to be expected of folks down the food chain?
Honour killings are a pox on society because they encourage toxic masculinity which is detrimental to society in general.
Excellent comment – btw Dr. V pointed out the tier differential, it eluded me entirely
I agree completely. I just object to the framing of this post as if this is something unique to Pakistan. It’s not. Women are treated as property all over South Asia. Partition was the biggest example of this. Men of both communities aimed to injure men of the other community by attacking each other’s women.
The worst shame for a Muslim woman was to be violated by a Hindu man and of course vice versa.
But the degree is different is the point.
There is no “Sem2sem”.
Women from “regressive” Haryana have won Olympic medals, including in contact sports like wrestling.
No Pakistani woman has ever won one.
Yes but I donโt know why you are intent on showing up Pakistan.
@SQureishi – I have put your comment on pending until and unless you comprehensively and publicly and sincerely apologise (particularly to me) for your behaviour.
I welcome all contributors but I wonโt tolerate being undermined.
Fair point, well taken.
I have read (2 cases) where gang of men have raped a young woman and pulled out her innards thru the vagina.
What kind of society breeds that kind of young men.
the gangrape of a tribal woman allegedly put his hand inside her body after the assault following which her intestines came out and she died of excessive bleeding in Khandwa district of Madhya Prades
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/rape-victims-intestines-had-come-out-after-assault-madhya-pradesh-police-8514047
How many Sri Lankan Tamil women have been brutally gang raped by Sri Lankan Buddhist Sinhala soldiers? Hard to imagine what kind of society can breed those kinds of monsters.
Again, doing “sem2sem” in desperation.
I never denied honour killings don’t take place in India.
Mine (and X.T.M’s) points were it is simply not prevalent in the urban elite class in India because of healthier attitudes towards the opposite gender due to adoption of things like dating. X.T.M’s own wife is a Sindhi Hindu whom he must have dated.
In this class, rejection/breakup leads to a few months of moping before getting back on the dating apps, not lopping someone’s head off.
Wow, dating! How modern.
My parents dated each other and that was fifty years ago. And it was in Lahore.
India is so great. Get help.
Yes Honey needs to calm a bit; itโs about being sad about such problems not gloating about them and weaponising them
Ok I’ll calm down. Kabir isn’t even that bad.
Qureshi is the bad apple.
Thatโs a good insight. Thatโs why Iโm moving Qโs comments to spam from pending.
You seed the quality of the tree by its fruit.
The screenshot at the bottom of the instagram post (which I assume comes from a Pakistani actress) points out another issue. Pakistani dramas justify abuse (and otherwise toxic marital relationships). I don’t watch these shows but there are enough people who lap up such content. Actors and actresses should introspect about why they accept the kinds of roles that they do. What is an actress gaining by playing a crying wife and daughter-in-law for more than thirty episodes?
Because that is what sells. Ultimately it is a conservative country and you have to market to the people.
Yes that is what sells. But as this actress wrote in the screenshot, these shows are endorsing a toxic culture that spills over into real life at times. Abusive male behavior is seen as romance.
At the risk of sending you off on comparing India and Pakistan again, I’ll point out that many scholars have noted that the Bollywood version of romance also involves what is known as “eve teasing”, which to many Westerners looks like stalking. If the film heroine is not interested in the hero, he just pursues her more ardently. By the end of the movie, they are married.
I’ll also point out that due to India becoming richer and more liberal, those 90s style Bollywood romances are dead.
The biggest grossers in Bollywood nowadays are a variety of action movies.
Even SRK, the face of Bollywood romance after flopping with a series of romance movies has jumped on the action boat.
It is Pakistan who is stuck in the 90s, as can be seen with the Mehrans and 70cc bikes.
Yeah, I don’t know about this. I feel the urban culture is improving faster than the movies.
South Indian movies tend to be more Alpha male/Toxic masculinity stereotype and have in some ways taken over when Bollywood switched over from doing it. The segment still has demand, Animal for example.
As a disclaimer, I quite enjoyed Animal, it was a cut above the usual fare.
Still, the outright harassment onscreen is no longer celebrated as it once was.
Bollywood though has full on gone glossy action and for what it’s worth, even the women do some ass kicking.
For the Indian trolls who are so gleeful that the Indus Waters Treaty has been “abrogated”. Pakistan can also “abrogate” Simla. There is therefore no “Line of Control” but a ceasefire line.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1915636/conditions-of-simla-agreement-no-longer-applicable-after-indian-iwt-violation-khawaja-asif-says
Good for you. Abrogate all you want.
IWT abrogation means that India can now fast-track and work on their projects which Pakistani would stall (only for international courts to allow anyways few years later).
Calling the “Line of Control” the “ceasefire line” is just semantics. Pakistan has not moved that line an inch since 1948 and now the power differential is even greater and widening fast.
Do you want to test us?
Ceasefire lines can be crossed at any point. Don’t mess with us.
Lol. We already messed with you by bombing you and unilaterally abrogating the IWT.
This is typical Pakistani hyperbole – making threats after they have been beaten lol.
Pakistan is a chunnu munnu country. Go restore the IWT brother.